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exdeath

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Way more expensive nowadays.

SLR105s have been gone for years, but more SGL31s were "supposed" to have arrived in Jan.

Think Id go with the Russian/Saiga 1.6mm stamped SGL anyway, I already have a GOOD milled Bulgarian in 7.62x39 and a BAD WASR, I need a GOOD stamped receiver AK now.

Yay variety.
 

Spike

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Aug 27, 2001
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Pitting really shouldn't make the gun any less accurate, it will only make it more of a PITA to clean since the pits get filled with fouling. Corrosive ammo is really nothing to be afraid of, a wet patch through the bore a couple of times and you're golden...there's really nothing more to it than that other than your regular cleaning regiment of solvent and then oil.

I ALWAYS clean out my gas tube on my AKs as I'd rather not have that section rust out either. Sure the worst that could happen is it getting ugly on the shiny parts that contact the piston or getting "Puffs" of rust come out when you first start shooting but it's and internal part that I choose to protect in my rifle. It really doesn't take any time at all to clean even if you don't shoot corrosive ammo.

Up to you on which ammo you want to purchase, but remember corrosive military surplus ammo is usually found for much cheaper than commercial non corrosive.


I'm going to ask a dumb, basic question... what is your cleaning regiment specific to the AK? I never took any classes or spent time with people learning how to properly care, I just did some online reading and checked the owners manuals. I know that should be sufficient, and I don't put tons of rounds through my firearms, but I would like them to last a lifetime, if possible.

As for the ammo I found quite a bit new manufacture, non corrosive ak rounds for less than $.25 so I'm happy, at least for plinking. However, I'd like to try some nicer rounds when I hunt and those are usually $.80 to over $1 a round, ugh.

Think Id go with the Russian/Saiga 1.6mm stamped SGL anyway, I already have a GOOD milled Bulgarian in 7.62x39 and a BAD WASR, I need a GOOD stamped receiver AK now.

Yay variety.

Bad WASR? That implies there is a good WASR. Isn't the entire idea of a WASR to have a basic AK for screwing around with?

<----- Loves his WASR
 

exdeath

Lifer
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I mean WASR as expendable bad example of a flimsy stamped receiver.

I still have it when I could have sold it over $1k, so can't be that bad.

Proper way to clean an AK is throw it in the shed directly in the dirt. Pee in the ejection port just before you take it shooting again.
 
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BlitzPuppet

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I'm going to ask a dumb, basic question... what is your cleaning regiment specific to the AK? I never took any classes or spent time with people learning how to properly care, I just did some online reading and checked the owners manuals. I know that should be sufficient, and I don't put tons of rounds through my firearms, but I would like them to last a lifetime, if possible.

As for the ammo I found quite a bit new manufacture, non corrosive ak rounds for less than $.25 so I'm happy, at least for plinking. However, I'd like to try some nicer rounds when I hunt and those are usually $.80 to over $1 a round, ugh.

Ammo in general is pretty scarce now, I laugh that even Mosin surplus has dried up for the most part, people are REALLY freaking out.

I start with a stripped AK of course, then spray water (spray bottle, faucet etc) on the bolt carrier/piston, bolt (I try to be careful not to get any water in the firing pin channel so I actually use wet paper towels instead), upper gas tube. Depending on how the receiver is I may wipe things down with a wet paper towel, if it isn't too bad I'll just wipe off the soot. I'll use the same spray bottle to douse the bore/gas port with water, and then follow up with either a bore snake or a patch on a rod.

I then dry things off with paper towels until I'm sure all the water is gone. Once it is dry I spray Gunslick foaming cleaner down the bore (afterplugging the gas port) and let that sit for 15-20 minutes while I oil up the bolt carrier/bolt/inside of the gas tube. To oil the gas tube I'll just use a pistol cleaning rod with a CLP soaked patch. That's about it, same way to dry it after the water. I use a patch to push out all the foam and then scrub the bore with a patch or 2 more, then switch to a nylon brush and CLP and scrub the bore for a few passes before I put it all back together while giving everything a light coat of oil.

Takes 30-45 minutes for the AK, bolt actions are a lot quicker.
 
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exdeath

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This is why there will never be SHTF here. So many people are ready for it now that it would be contained in a day lmao. Zombies won't make it past the first night :awe:
 

HumblePie

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This is why there will never be SHTF here. So many people are ready for it now that it would be contained in a day lmao. Zombies won't make it past the first night :awe:

Depends on how the zombie epidemic starts and how fast spread it is. If it's something that is completely airborne, fast incubation, and spreads rapidly among many species it could happen. Where the only survivors are those immune to the agent that causes "zombies."

The crap with zombie bites or wounds causing an epidemic would never happen though in our current society. The method of spreading would have to be something else.
 

gorobei

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Depends on how the zombie epidemic starts and how fast spread it is. If it's something that is completely airborne, fast incubation, and spreads rapidly among many species it could happen. Where the only survivors are those immune to the agent that causes "zombies."

The crap with zombie bites or wounds causing an epidemic would never happen though in our current society. The method of spreading would have to be something else.

assuming we arent talking about supernaturally animated zombies, a biological based zombie epidemic would die off pretty quickly just because of inability to take care of himself(human body is very fragile and requires all kind of maintenance). at least in the US, open season on zombies would end the threat in less than a month or two assuming your quarantine protocols are effective.
 

CurseTheSky

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...what if the zombies actually have some intelligence, and know how to use guns? What if 99% of the gun owners are turned into zombies?!

Then we're really fucked.

 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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assuming we arent talking about supernaturally animated zombies, a biological based zombie epidemic would die off pretty quickly just because of inability to take care of himself(human body is very fragile and requires all kind of maintenance). at least in the US, open season on zombies would end the threat in less than a month or two assuming your quarantine protocols are effective.

Uhh, the point of the biological zombie is that the body is being animated by the biological agent. That there wouldn't be a need to "sustain" itself if the body is kept cohesive enough. Eventually cohesion would break down unless the biological agent is able to provide a method for repairing the body enough to maintain cohesion through some form of sustenance. Such as having the zombie feed of things. Also assuming the agent can used sustenance brought in by the digestive track that way.

True a lot of assumptions, but this is fantasy we are trying to add plausibility to right? But an airborne agent that is capable of rapid inoculation, rapid spread, highly contagious amongst most of the population, and would "animate" the body to provide sustenance to stay alive or undead as the host could happen is a bit more plausible. A zombie, although from a fictional standpoint is typically "undead" in the sense the body is actually dead tissue being animated upon by an outside force, that doesn't have to be the case. The body could be functionally alive and just fine but the mind of the person is dead. The agent is now in position of the body and drives it to do what it wants. But the death of the host would eventually kill the agent/parasite causing the "zombies" eventually.
 

RampantAndroid

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Pistol isn't 100% effective for suicide. Shotgun leaves no chance of being a vegetable.

"And I swear
That I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun"

Put it below your chin and wave goodbye to your face. You can botch a handgun suicide easily...not so easy to mess it up when you've got a 12ga.


How does it compare to the Dillon presses? I want to get into reloading, and the lee primer system always seems so...jacked. The dillon system auto feeds primers down, and on the downstroke you seat a new primer, the only thing you do with your hand is advance the turret and place a new piece of brass (and pull the one armed bandit again )

Are you able to find primers/powder/bullets? I've got brass coming out of my ears...
 

etrigan420

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How does it compare to the Dillon presses? I want to get into reloading, and the lee primer system always seems so...jacked. The dillon system auto feeds primers down, and on the downstroke you seat a new primer, the only thing you do with your hand is advance the turret and place a new piece of brass (and pull the one armed bandit again )

Honestly, it doesn't compare. I didn't want to spend $600+ on a setup when I wasn't really sure I would enjoy or pursue the hobby, so I spent about half that and got (rough guesstimate) 75% of the functionality.

The priming system actually works pretty well. It *feels* really flimsy (it's all plastic), but I haven't had any issues with it. You upstroke to pop out the old primer/resize, push the mechanism in and down to load a new primer, then it's seated on the downstroke. It's basically a "line it up once and go" thing.
 

pontifex

Lifer
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"And I swear
That I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun"

Put it below your chin and wave goodbye to your face. You can botch a handgun suicide easily...not so easy to mess it up when you've got a 12ga.



How does it compare to the Dillon presses? I want to get into reloading, and the lee primer system always seems so...jacked. The dillon system auto feeds primers down, and on the downstroke you seat a new primer, the only thing you do with your hand is advance the turret and place a new piece of brass (and pull the one armed bandit again )

Are you able to find primers/powder/bullets? I've got brass coming out of my ears...

I've not used a dillon press. the cheapest turret dillon is about 2x as expensive as this one. plus if i'm not mistaken, dillon dies are proprietary and more expensive than lee.

with this kit, i only have to push a secondary arm to put a primer in place and everything else is done with the main arm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOMxxAsduw
 

desertdweller

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Jan 6, 2001
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"And I swear
That I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun"

Put it below your chin and wave goodbye to your face. You can botch a handgun suicide easily...not so easy to mess it up when you've got a 12ga.



How does it compare to the Dillon presses? I want to get into reloading, and the lee primer system always seems so...jacked. The dillon system auto feeds primers down, and on the downstroke you seat a new primer, the only thing you do with your hand is advance the turret and place a new piece of brass (and pull the one armed bandit again )

Are you able to find primers/powder/bullets? I've got brass coming out of my ears...


It depends on which Dillon model you get. The 650 you can get with a case feeder and has five stations. It will auto index to the next station so all you have to do is put the bullet on and pull/push the handle. The 550 is manual index, four stations, and no case feeding options. So, you put the bullet on, the case in and manually index.

The Lee Classic and the Dillon presses work completely different. On the Lee Classic, you work on one case at a time and the turret at the top advances. On the Dillons, your tooling is stationary at the top of the press and everything advances below, so, after every station has a case in it, you get a bullet with every pull of the lever.
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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How does it compare to the Dillon presses? I want to get into reloading, and the lee primer system always seems so...jacked. The dillon system auto feeds primers down, and on the downstroke you seat a new primer, the only thing you do with your hand is advance the turret and place a new piece of brass (and pull the one armed bandit again )

Are you able to find primers/powder/bullets? I've got brass coming out of my ears...


Dillons vs others is an endless debate. Turret and single stage presses are easier to use for a new reloader. I don't use progressive presses for actual loading but do use one for priming and brass prep. All my reloading is done on the lee classic turret. I can load 250-400 rounds an hour which is good enough for me since I usually prefer to do batches of 50 to 100 at a time.

And yes you can find powder primers bullets if you look. Might pay a bit more for then right now though. But keep looking and be patient. In fact I just bought 8000 bullets today at normal prepanic prices
 

RampantAndroid

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Whoa, I misread that link to think it was a 4 stager from Lee - yeah, I'd be nabbing a 4 stage manual indexing setup (the 550B?) I've used it a bunch before and it works, but obviously want to keep my options open.
 

velillen

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Whoa, I misread that link to think it was a 4 stager from Lee - yeah, I'd be nabbing a 4 stage manual indexing setup (the 550B?) I've used it a bunch before and it works, but obviously want to keep my options open.

The lee is a four stager turret press. As in each pull of the press completes 1 stage of completeing ammo. The lee classic has a auto index (i dont use it) so you can just pull the arm four times to make a round then put another case. THe dillon 550b is a progressive press. It however is just a manual indexing progressive. Both are four stagers. The biggest difference is each pull of the dillon is a completed round, vs 4 pulls on the leee turret.

But you know all that so ill hush




Did have a bit of a weird call today from our medical people. Apparently my blood lead level is a bit high Oo. 24 micrograms per decalitre of blood. Or some weird units. Normal is less than 3 for people in the lead workers program at work (and normal people its 0 obviously). Still within OSHA limits and not enough to really be a huge concern but just a bit of a surprise. I havent worked with actual lead at work in over a year so only other area pretty much has to be from shooting. Most of my shooting has been at ranges with decent ventilation. So honestly not really sure unless it was from the fun rapid firing and mag drops of the sig 522.

ANYWAYS since im rambling, just a reminder to all you to be careful when shooting! Wash your hands after shooting and definitely before smoking/eating. Change clothes when ya get home too as you could transfer it to them. Im good on the washing hands since i pick up my brass and get my hands full of dirt and crap. And rapid firing indoors might not be the best idea
 

RampantAndroid

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The lee is a four stager turret press. As in each pull of the press completes 1 stage of completeing ammo. The lee classic has a auto index (i dont use it) so you can just pull the arm four times to make a round then put another case. THe dillon 550b is a progressive press. It however is just a manual indexing progressive. Both are four stagers. The biggest difference is each pull of the dillon is a completed round, vs 4 pulls on the leee turret.

But you know all that so ill hush




Did have a bit of a weird call today from our medical people. Apparently my blood lead level is a bit high Oo. 24 micrograms per decalitre of blood. Or some weird units. Normal is less than 3 for people in the lead workers program at work (and normal people its 0 obviously). Still within OSHA limits and not enough to really be a huge concern but just a bit of a surprise. I havent worked with actual lead at work in over a year so only other area pretty much has to be from shooting. Most of my shooting has been at ranges with decent ventilation. So honestly not really sure unless it was from the fun rapid firing and mag drops of the sig 522.

ANYWAYS since im rambling, just a reminder to all you to be careful when shooting! Wash your hands after shooting and definitely before smoking/eating. Change clothes when ya get home too as you could transfer it to them. Im good on the washing hands since i pick up my brass and get my hands full of dirt and crap. And rapid firing indoors might not be the best idea

I plan to get a physical soon too, and have the lead levels checked since I also solder with lead solder. Also, Wade's ventilation system is REALLY screwed up for now.

On the reloading press, I find the Lee priming system the biggest fault - you pay more for the Dillon, but you get a system that to me seems simpler - load the primers into the tube, attach tube and go. I just need to get a good desk for my new apartment that I can bolt a press to and then get about reloading...
 

desertdweller

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I plan to get a physical soon too, and have the lead levels checked since I also solder with lead solder. Also, Wade's ventilation system is REALLY screwed up for now.

On the reloading press, I find the Lee priming system the biggest fault - you pay more for the Dillon, but you get a system that to me seems simpler - load the primers into the tube, attach tube and go. I just need to get a good desk for my new apartment that I can bolt a press to and then get about reloading...

All of the primer feed systems have some issues. Google "Dillon primer detonation".
 
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adairusmc

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I just scored some more realoading components recently, from craigslist, and got it all cleaned up, sorted, and labeled.







and my baby (there is a Lyman T-mag 2 turret press mounted further down the bench as well).




As far as loading goes, I knocked these out the other morning, 500 of them, and I am hoping to find time to load up another 500 tomorrow morning before work.

 

desertdweller

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I load on a Hornady LNL press and one of the things I like about it is the primer tube is in the back of the press. On the Dillon presses, it's right in your face.
 
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