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BladeVenom

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Also, the whole reason you can't open NICS to the public for a quick yes/no is that there are too many easy ways to falsify one's identity. That's why for CA you submit a thumbprint, proof of residency, etc. They want to make sure you are who you say you are. That's common sense to me.

So lets do the same thing for voting. It's to easy to engage in voter fraud.
 

velillen

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Honestly I don't see what the big deal is about background checks and serial numbers. I mean, if a crime is committed we should be able to figure out the source of the gun. How else do can you identify straw purchases, trafficking, etc?

Recording of serial numbers means the ATF knows exactly how many guns you have and what kinds. Which in the event of confiscation they would come knocking and be demanding all those guns.

Also, the whole reason you can't open NICS to the public for a quick yes/no is that there are too many easy ways to falsify one's identity. That's why for CA you submit a thumbprint, proof of residency, etc. They want to make sure you are who you say you are. That's common sense to me.

So you are saying the current NICS we have now is broken and easy to fool identity wise then? Since in WA (and many other states) all you need is a drivers license and to fill out 4473.

My method is the exact same 4473 minus the (currently) FFL section that records gun type, model, serial number. Rest of the form could be exactly the same.

The fact they even need the serial number is just silly. This is about the person being able to buy the gun. What the hell difference does it make to the NICS agent if its a Sig 226 or a Ruger SR22?

And doesn't the Sandy Hook thing work against your position of zero restrictions for inter-family transfers?

One instance should NEVER punish the millions of law abiding citizens. You should know if your family member (and i am talking immediate family by the way) can legally own a firearm or not. Preventing a father from being able to give his son/daughter a firearm is absurd (assuming said son/daughter can legally own it)

As for the Sandy Hook. That whole situation shouldnt even have been mentioned. He murdered his mother and stole the bushmaster AR. He didnt own it. As for the "arsenal" he did own (as released by the media the past couple of days) its hard to say if they were truly his or ones his mother had bought for him to be able to shoot or who knows.



Like i said what i wrote is a super rough idea. Nothing is actually hammered out and perfect but its more along the lines of what i would be willing to support. These background checks that require paying fee's and taxes just to transfer guns are redicious. Espcially when local taxes could be added on. O hey buy a gun you pay sales tax on. Sell it, that buyer has to pay sales tax AGAIN. He sells it the new buyer AGAIN. The state is collecting tax on one item again and again.


Hi and welcome to the forum that isn't P&N or the DC?


Just out of curiously but how come you took your list of guns out of your sig here? Noticed it the other day when i was trying to remember what 41mag revolver you had lol.

And sadly this is our one smal area to be pro gun and not have the anti's coming in and tell us we are loonies and the such. So its nice to talk about some politics in a pro gun setting. SO do what i do and just scroll past the crap you dont want to read

That and im super bored and stuck in California for work so not like i get to hold and caress my guns!
 
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NutBucket

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Look, no system is perfect (obviously). You have your opinions and I have mine. However, 99% of the proposals I hear about are crap. There is no middle ground it seems; all or nothing in our governments' infinite wisdom.

There are clearly pros and cons that people feel very strongly about. What's the best solution? Who knows.

Oh, I figure the government knows everything about me anyway at this point (job related) so that aspect of it doesn't worry me since I'm already so far gone.
 

velillen

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And thats what i love about our country! We are all allowed to have our opinions. There could be a middle ground, problem is its one party's bill or the others. They wont work on anything together. But thats another topic.


Back on gun topic's. I did score 500 Remington subsonic 22lr today. For 33 bucks which isnt bad at all. .06 cents a round is about what it was prepanic anyways. Hopefully itll work well suppressed in both my sig 522 and ruger 10/22
 

jpeyton

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Good news from Cabela's today. Before they implemented their quantity limits, I placed a backorder for 6 cases (6000 rounds) of 7.62x39. I noticed they got some in stock yesterday (with a 100 round limit), and was wondering if they would honor the backorder. They did.

Also got a case (1000 rounds) of 9mm inbound; 115 grain plinking stuff.

I haven't found a good deal on .223/5.56 in many weeks.
 

RampantAndroid

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Just out of curiously but how come you took your list of guns out of your sig here? Noticed it the other day when i was trying to remember what 41mag revolver you had lol.

And sadly this is our one smal area to be pro gun and not have the anti's coming in and tell us we are loonies and the such. So its nice to talk about some politics in a pro gun setting. SO do what i do and just scroll past the crap you dont want to read

The reason they don't come in here is because it's a thread about guns. I've reported the ones who do come in and had them removed for trolling...however if we stray into politics, I think we're inviting other people in here.

As for the list of guns, it put me beyond the line limit that AT forums now has, so it was removed (by me.) I have the S&W Model 58-2. It's part of their classic series. Great gun, and small too - I plan to get a shoulder rig so I can carry it.
 
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amish

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Also got a case (1000 rounds) of 9mm inbound; 115 grain plinking stuff.

so how are you scoring this stuff? I'm about to finally get out of tax season and be able to put some time in at the range but I cannot find dick for ammo. West Coast Armory has a one box limit on members. Fred Meyer has people waiting on all shipments. Walmart is a no go and has the same problem as Fred Meyer. Outdoor Emporium hasn't had 9mm in weeks and the last shipment of ammo came from the owner's trunk. I haven't had time to try Cabela's in person, but they aren't offering anything online. ammoseek hasn't been helpful either.
 

RampantAndroid

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so how are you scoring this stuff? I'm about to finally get out of tax season and be able to put some time in at the range but I cannot find dick for ammo. West Coast Armory has a one box limit on members. Fred Meyer has people waiting on all shipments. Walmart is a no go and has the same problem as Fred Meyer. Outdoor Emporium hasn't had 9mm in weeks and the last shipment of ammo came from the owner's trunk. I haven't had time to try Cabela's in person, but they aren't offering anything online. ammoseek hasn't been helpful either.

West Coast GOUGES people on ammo - I do FFL transfers there and bought a gun from them once...beyond that I was a member for all of an hour before getting a full refund and wouldn't cry too much if they went under/were replaced.
 

amish

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is Wade's any better?

last time I was in WC they had Sellier & Beloit target loads for $15.50, limit one. I went in with a buddy and let him have my box since he didn't have any ammo. Now I wish I would have kept it. I'm down to my last 100 rounds; one box of PMC bronze and a shitty box of independence that look like they had been dropped on concrete before packaging.

edit: I thought about doing a FFL transfer there until they jacked up the cost to $50. it used to be $25.
 

Tiamat

Lifer
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Back on gun topic's. I did score 500 Remington subsonic 22lr today. For 33 bucks which isnt bad at all. .06 cents a round is about what it was prepanic anyways.

33$ for 500 rounds comes to 6.6 cents a round unless I'm missingsomething

I got excited seeing the 0.06 cents a round, that would have been a steal!
 

velillen

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33$ for 500 rounds comes to 6.6 cents a round unless I'm missingsomething

I got excited seeing the 0.06 cents a round, that would have been a steal!

Yeah yeah 6 cents a rounds, stupid decimal point! Still not a bad deal. I wish i could find any ammo for .06 cents a round, id buy a gun just to shoot it!

is Wade's any better?

last time I was in WC they had Sellier & Beloit target loads for $15.50, limit one. I went in with a buddy and let him have my box since he didn't have any ammo. Now I wish I would have kept it. I'm down to my last 100 rounds; one box of PMC bronze and a shitty box of independence that look like they had been dropped on concrete before packaging.

edit: I thought about doing a FFL transfer there until they jacked up the cost to $50. it used to be $25.

No Wade's is no better. Nor is Surplus Arms and Ammo who have been the biggest price gougers out of them all. And had the worst attitude about it as well. I do know where ammo is instock but i wouldnt go there unless it was a last resort as their prices are crappy. Better than SAA though!

As for the list of guns, it put me beyond the line limit that AT forums now has, so it was removed (by me.) I have the S&W Model 58-2. It's part of their classic series. Great gun, and small too - I plan to get a shoulder rig so I can carry it.

Ahhh that makes sense. Had a friend looking at getting a 41mag and he was looking at the S&W's. Ended up going a different route gun wise though.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Wow the snobbery and fanboyism of equipment just makes me shake my head sometimes. I was having a discussion on another forum about various optics. With all the purchases for firearms I've made, I have been also buying out all the accessories as well lately. Including some optics from low price on up to try out. When someone was asking for an optic to use for only a home defense scenario with their AR15, most people all just stated to go with an EoTech or an Aimpoint. I just happened to "dare" to state that while those are great optics, that they may not be the most cost effective solution to that scenario. That all one needs in a home defense scenario is an optic to hold zero and work if one really wants an optic. And that the most effective optic for home defense would most likely be a red dot sight of some sort. I said that although an eotech or aimpoint was great, the aftermath of a home defense scenario may make you regret using such an optic. Especially if it gets confiscated as evidence never to be returned which has happened to people. Or if some lawyer is willing and able to argue that the purchase of such expensive equipment was willingness to show that a person was intent on using such an optic to only shoot a person. Thus landing such a person in hot water. Something which has also happened before when it comes to gun and gun related purchases used in self defense.

So I said that on another forum and WOW the flaming/trolling/bashing/insulting began. Rabid fanboyism is disgusting like that. Eventually the mods banned ME for the whole situation. I guess I won't be using that forum ever again. The official reasoning for banning me was to call me a liar for saying I owned certain high dollar optics. LOL. Those people have zero idea how much in the last few months I've spent on firearms and related stuff for them. The pictures I've posted here are a small bit and mostly of only the handguns.

Oh well, makes me glad for this gun thread at least. Not much in the way of massive fanboyism except once But for this most part everyone here just appreciates everyone else's input in this thread. Guess I'll be sticking with the more mature boards from now on. Except when I wander over into P&N when I feel like reading some trollish crap
 

clamum

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Yeah snobbery and fanboyism is rampant in firearms discussions. A question like "Which AR-15 should I get?" is so predictable it's pathetic, even though it's quite ambiguous. It seems like the loudest snobs and fanboys (nutnfancy's term "armchair elitists" is actually quite appropriate) are the safe-queen types who just like to talk about firearms and accessories instead of shooting and training with them, and would probably blow a gasket if their precious AR-15 got a scratch on it.
 

Genx87

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People like to feel like they are part of the elite. It is silly stupid and it is rampant across all parts of the internet. Anyways I own an Eotech 552 and agree with you that it isnt always the most cost effective solution. And honestly while it looks cool I would prefer a lighter red dot site for my AR. The thing adds quite a bit of weight to the gun. But at the same time I cant afford to actually shoot my gun much less get a different site for it right now.
 

HumblePie

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I always do better with iron sights.

Iron sights are great, but not that useful in the dark. Statistically speaking home defense scenarios play out at night. A red dot allows for fast target acquisition in both daylight and low light scenarios. Hence why I said a red dot is the most effect solution for a home defense. Personally I think a bull-pup design is also a better solution than an AR-15 for home defense only because of the compactness of the firearm allows for more maneuverability in tighter corridors. Not to say an AR-15 isn't an effective home defense firearm. There are plenty of cases of people defending themselves and their homes with a wide range of "stuff." It all depends on a person's mindset and readiness.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Yeah snobbery and fanboyism is rampant in firearms discussions. A question like "Which AR-15 should I get?" is so predictable it's pathetic, even though it's quite ambiguous. It seems like the loudest snobs and fanboys (nutnfancy's term "armchair elitists" is actually quite appropriate) are the safe-queen types who just like to talk about firearms and accessories instead of shooting and training with them, and would probably blow a gasket if their precious AR-15 got a scratch on it.

He does make some good points. I have watched many nutnfancy vids. Still, he has an annoying voice and annoying mannerisms about him. I respect what he does and his opinions at least
 

shortylickens

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I'd rather have a bright CREE bulb than a red dot. It blinds my assailant and gives me a clear view of the situation so I dont shoot anything I dont want shot.
 

HumblePie

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I'd rather have a bright CREE bulb than a red dot. It blinds my assailant and gives me a clear view of the situation so I dont shoot anything I dont want shot.

Pros and cons to using a light in my opinion. I haven't decided if I would rather use a light or not in a home defense. My night vision is usually really good and I can ID targets in very low light easily.
 

shortylickens

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Pros and cons to using a light in my opinion. I haven't decided if I would rather use a light or not in a home defense. My night vision is usually really good and I can ID targets in very low light easily.

Thats what the dumbass in the news thought. He shot a neighbor kid.
A kid he knew.
 

Phanuel

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Optic rant

Depends on where you posted this and how you posted this. Probably fine on arf.com. But you try and post this on say m4carbine.net they'll shit on you, and rightfully so.


Edit: Yes, you want a light for home defense. I don't see any reason not to run one. Streamlights or the X300s are compact enough to not be too much of a hassle to run, outside of cost.
 
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HumblePie

Lifer
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Thats what the dumbass in the news thought. He shot a neighbor kid.
A kid he knew.

Even if a kid I knew was in my house after I am asleep, they are taking a risk of their lives doing so. There is no reason someone should be in my home after I hit the sack that isn't my family. Don't care if it's a neighbor or not.

Then again, I don't have teenage kids right now either. My situation may change in the future and as it does I'll adjust to those changes. Right now it's something I don't have to worry about.
 
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