50 cents for steel com block ammo is about 2-3x too much.
This...
Not only that, it's not about the steel case that is usually bad with most import ammo. It's the crappy pressure scale of the powder and the fact the bullets are bi-metal. the bullets being bi-metal are much harder and wear down the rifling of your barely much faster.
I've been finding and buying regular brass 5.56 and .223 for $0.40-$0.50 a round. Why the hell would I spend that much on ammo that is going to force more barrel replacements?
Senate just rejected the gun bill. So, is that it for now at least? Can they leave us the hell alone long enough for us to buy some damn ammo at a decent price? Can people stop panic-tarding all the ammo off the shelves now?
Fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath...
Ditto...i used to take it for granted I could always just grab a couple boxes when I wanted to go out and shoot, now I'm saving my brass and will get my reloading equipment as soon as it's available.I will go the reloading route and have enough to get me through any future BS that comes our way. Too bad reloading supplies are on backorder for the next 100 years. The panic-tards one arm finger clawed it all off the shelves in a stupid, drooling panic.
proof? never heard of this....sounds like just more fud like how the polymer/laquer coating or whatever causes stuck rounds/brass.
Course they shot off 40k rounds pretty damn fast too. I dont know very many people who would want to, let alone could afford to, do the type of shooting they did.
Would be interesting to do a test more along the lines of a average shooter.Shooting more like 250 rounds at a time and not mag dumping like they were (getting the barrel super hot). Again i dont know many shooters who do that for more than 1 or 2 mags. But if you could do that each day i do wonder if the results would be the same or not quite as drastic at least.
Either way like they mentioned, even shooting the steel cased, bi metal youll save money even when replacing barrels.
It's worth it to me to use the cheaper ammo, most of us won't ever even put 10k through our rifles...with a simple barrel replacement you still come out ahead in the end.Course they shot off 40k rounds pretty damn fast too. I dont know very many people who would want to, let alone could afford to, do the type of shooting they did.
Would be interesting to do a test more along the lines of a average shooter.Shooting more like 250 rounds at a time and not mag dumping like they were (getting the barrel super hot). Again i dont know many shooters who do that for more than 1 or 2 mags. But if you could do that each day i do wonder if the results would be the same or not quite as drastic at least.
Either way like they mentioned, even shooting the steel cased, bi metal youll save money even when replacing barrels.
Graph from the article...I'm not holding a ruler up to it but looks like about a 1k savings even with 2 barrel replacementsexactly, so evens out or still come out ahead in the end.
Graph from the article...I'm not holding a ruler up to it but looks like about a 1k savings even with 2 barrel replacements
It's worth it to me to use the cheaper ammo, most of us won't ever even put 10k through our rifles...with a simple barrel replacement you still come out ahead in the end.
Yup, a buddy of mine has shot ~4000 rounds through his Stag Arms AR15, the vast majority of it steel cased, and has seen ZERO degradation. And he shoots a LOT!! Most people aren't going to come near 25K rounds in their lifetime. :hmm:
Course they shot off 40k rounds pretty damn fast too. I dont know very many people who would want to, let alone could afford to, do the type of shooting they did.
Would be interesting to do a test more along the lines of a average shooter.Shooting more like 250 rounds at a time and not mag dumping like they were (getting the barrel super hot). Again i dont know many shooters who do that for more than 1 or 2 mags. But if you could do that each day i do wonder if the results would be the same or not quite as drastic at least.
Either way like they mentioned, even shooting the steel cased, bi metal youll save money even when replacing barrels.
Gun bill defeated in Senate (for now) - I hope the Russian ammo factory rumors are true and we have a flood of cheap ammo!
What Russian ammo factory rumors? A quick google search finds nothing.
Take it with a grain of salt. I remember a popular rumor from someone on Reddit who claimed to have a source working at Federal. They said ammo would be back to pre-panic levels/prices by March. It's now April and shelves are still bare.
I would buy Federal HST for that price. Not as cheap as the 6 cases I picked up for $500/each (.50 cents/round), but I haven't seen any in stock for over a month.I just spent $100 on 150 rounds of self defense 9mm (Federal 124gr +P HST). I'd been putting practice ammo in my nightstand gun.
Yep, replacing barrels when you are buying super cheap ammo is better. You'll also note, they shot the BRASS federal the same way as the bi-metal ammo and did not have to replace the barrel. It got super hot too for 10K rounds.
Would there be less wear if they shot slower with the bi-metal bullets? I doubt it because of the heat treatment on those barrels. If the barrels got hot enough to loss their temper while firing it would have affected the barrel shot with brass only as well. The wear was strictly due to friction.
As for costs, yep the cost of replacing barrels while using cheap ammo is usually the better route to go in the overall picture. The problem is when the super cheap ammo costs as much as the cheap brass stuff. Then the cost of barrel replacements on top of high costs of ammo makes it an absurd thing to do. Also, not all guns have cheap barrel replacements either. I don't want to be shooting anything but brass through my Sig 556R for example. Barrel replacements are fine when it's $100 or so for a barrel. When it's $500+ for a barrel. Not so much a good deal to do that.
Take it with a grain of salt. I remember a popular rumor from someone on Reddit who claimed to have a source working at Federal. They said ammo would be back to pre-panic levels/prices by March. It's now April and shelves are still bare.
The bottom line is that there is only ONE thing preventing the ammo situation from returning to normal, and it has nothing to do with manufacturers whatsoever. It's all up to consumers/end-users, who have conditioned themselves to buy every single round on store shelves.
Ask yourself, if you saw a Federal 100-round value pack of 9mm at Walmart for $20, would you leave it sitting there, or would you buy it? I know I would buy every last box in a heartbeat, even if I didn't plan on shooting it right away.
The market will return to normal when our personal shelves (at home) reach a saturation point.
Take it with a grain of salt. I remember a popular rumor from someone on Reddit who claimed to have a source working at Federal. They said ammo would be back to pre-panic levels/prices by March. It's now April and shelves are still bare.
The bottom line is that there is only ONE thing preventing the ammo situation from returning to normal, and it has nothing to do with manufacturers whatsoever. It's all up to consumers/end-users, who have conditioned themselves to buy every single round on store shelves.
Ask yourself, if you saw a Federal 100-round value pack of 9mm at Walmart for $20, would you leave it sitting there, or would you buy it? I know I would buy every last box in a heartbeat, even if I didn't plan on shooting it right away.
The market will return to normal when our personal shelves (at home) reach a saturation point.