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[CurseTheSky]

That's what I'm worried about. PM9 fits fine in my pockets (it's Florida, so 99% of the year it's cargo shorts), but I'm worried whether shield or xds will. Just do not like the process to load the pm9 so that you avoid getting a round stuck in the barrel. Not that I see myself ever having to reload and continue shooting, but if it ever happened, I'd likely be screwed.

You're talking about Kahr's recommendation about locking the slide back, inserting the mag, and then using the slide release to load the first round?

I found that my PM9 was able to successfully chamber rounds using the "slingshot" method after being broken in a bit (only ~300 rounds). However, it only works reliably with the standing 6-round magazine, not the extended 7-round mag. FWIW, the 7-round mag gives me problems from time to time regardless. If I carry the PM9, it's with the 6-rounder only.

I also found that trying different hollow point designs helps immensely. Fatter hollow points like Speer Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, etc. tended to get chewed up often (I store my firearms unloaded per CT law, so I'm constantly chambering and clearing). Hornady Critical Defense (with the red polymer tip) works very well and doesn't get chewed up by chambering in the PM9 like the others do.

 

[Merad]

I use the De Santis Nemesis with my LCP:

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You're talking about Kahr's recommendation about locking the slide back, inserting the mag, and then using the slide release to load the first round?

I found that my PM9 was able to successfully chamber rounds using the "slingshot" method after being broken in a bit (only ~300 rounds). However, it only works reliably with the standing 6-round magazine, not the extended 7-round mag. FWIW, the 7-round mag gives me problems from time to time regardless. If I carry the PM9, it's with the 6-rounder only.

Wait, are you saying that it will chamber a round if you use the slide release, but not if you slingshot it? :| That makes no sense, because slingshotting the slide should mean that it's closing with greater force.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I use the De Santis Nemesis with my LCP:

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Wait, are you saying that it will chamber a round if you use the slide release, but not if you slingshot it? :| That makes no sense, because slingshotting the slide should mean that it's closing with greater force.

Maybe that is the problem? Excessive forces throw the round out of alignment with the chamber during loading?

One of the reasons I do not pocket carry myself is the generally finicky nature of smaller autos.

 

[corwin]

Maybe that is the problem? Excessive forces throw the round out of alignment with the chamber during loading?

One of the reasons I do not pocket carry myself is the generally finicky nature of smaller autos.

Why would you not have a round already chambered if you were carrying?

 

[mizzou]

I use the De Santis Nemesis with my LCP:

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Wait, are you saying that it will chamber a round if you use the slide release, but not if you slingshot it? :| That makes no sense, because slingshotting the slide should mean that it's closing with greater force.

that holster prints really bad in all pants that I wear, but I think it's because my pants "fit" properly and aren't terribly baggy. I've got fat thighs

I have a belly holster that works really really well with LCP

 

[cmdrdredd]

Why would you not have a round already chambered if you were carrying?

Do you never clean your firearms? Have you not ever had a magazine fail to feed on the second or 3rd round? Have a round slightly the wrong oal?

I have and all of these are more critical on smaller autos.

 

[shortylickens]

I did use a desantis with my LCP until recently. Just got this bastard
http://www.amazon.com/Crimson-Trace-.../dp/B0044SP4ZU
and it comes with a nice pocket holster fitted for the laser.

Of course now all those fancy leather holsters I had are useless but thats life.

 

[corwin]

Do you never clean your firearms? Have you not ever had a magazine fail to feed on the second or 3rd round? Have a round slightly the wrong oal?

I have and all of these are more critical on smaller autos.

Of course I clean them and no I haven't had issue with any of those in many, many hundreds of rounds...but it seemed the discussion was over chambering the first round properly and not about subsequent rounds

 

[Jeeebus]

Of course I clean them and no I haven't had issue with any of those in many, many hundreds of rounds...but it seemed the discussion was over chambering the first round properly and not about subsequent rounds

That's the issue. If you ever needed to fire a second mag for whatever reason, I do have to load/chamber the way kahr recommends. On my gun, it could be the first or second round that fails to chamber if Ai do it otherwise. And the way kahr recommends is inherently slower because the slide tends to not lock back after an empty mag.

 

[corwin]

That's the issue. If you ever needed to fire a second mag for whatever reason, I do have to load/chamber the way kahr recommends. On my gun, it could be the first or second round that fails to chamber if Ai do it otherwise. And the way kahr recommends is inherently slower because the slide tends to not lock back after an empty mag.

If you get to a second mag you got serious issues And how many people carry spare mags anyway? If it lasts that long odds are you should have found cover and would have those few extra moments to do it "properly"...but to be honest have hated every Kahr I've fired anyway

 

[Zargon]

picked up a smith & wesson 442 airweight a while ago, but just finally paid my buddy for it, the day before IL finally passed a CCW bill

Ill have to get a pic later

 

[shortylickens]

Do you never clean your firearms? Have you not ever had a magazine fail to feed on the second or 3rd round? Have a round slightly the wrong oal?

I have and all of these are more critical on smaller autos.

I clean my gun after each shooting. At the range I run a bore snake through immediately so the shit doesnt eat away at the barrel.

At home I field strip and run a rag or tiny brush over everything. Then put on a drop of lube to each working part. That makes it ready to fire again next time I go shooting or carrying.

For long term storage I clean more thoroughly with icky chemicals. Then I apply oil to all surfaces so they are protected. Then I place the gun in a big ziplock with a little bag of silica.
Will last for years like that.

One day I intend to make an idiots guide to cleaning for youtube, so noobs know the basics.

 

[Jeeebus]

If you get to a second mag you got serious issues And how many people carry spare mags anyway? If it lasts that long odds are you should have found cover and would have those few extra moments to do it "properly"...but to be honest have hated every Kahr I've fired anyway

True. I guess it just somewhat bothers me that the gun is finicky with ammo, loading, etc. Probably still my best bet for pocket carry unfortunately.

 

[Zargon]

I clean my gun after each shooting. At the range I run a bore snake through immediately so the shit doesnt eat away at the barrel.

At home I field strip and run a rag or tiny brush over everything. Then put on a drop of lube to each working part. That makes it ready to fire again next time I go shooting or carrying.

For long term storage I clean more thoroughly with icky chemicals. Then I apply oil to all surfaces so they are protected. Then I place the gun in a big ziplock with a little bag of silica.
Will last for years like that.

One day I intend to make an idiots guide to cleaning for youtube, so noobs know the basics.

a bit extreme but a good practice none the less

True. I guess it just somewhat bothers me that the gun is finicky with ammo, loading, etc. Probably still my best bet for pocket carry unfortunately.

this is a kahr?

jeez......buy a kel tec

or a wheel gun

 

[corwin]

True. I guess it just somewhat bothers me that the gun is finicky with ammo, loading, etc. Probably still my best bet for pocket carry unfortunately.

I really want a pocket carry gun too, but I'm hung up on the P238/P938 myself...just don't know about cocked and locked in my pocket when I crouch down:\

 

[Merad]

I clean my gun after each shooting. At the range I run a bore snake through immediately so the shit doesnt eat away at the barrel.

Ummm. Power residue doesn't "eat at the barrel". Even corrosive primers don't directly damage the metal, they just attract moisture which causes corrosion.

 

[corwin]

Ummm. Power residue doesn't "eat at the barrel". Even corrosive primers don't directly damage the metal, they just attract moisture which causes corrosion.

Really? I thought the definition of "corrosive" meant that it was corrosive?

EDIT: corrosive primers leave a residue of potassium chloride salt in the bore after a cartridge is fired. These hygroscopic salt crystals will hold moisture from a humid atmosphere and cause rusting.

It's a combination of both being corrosive AND holding moisture...now I know:awe:

 

[Zargon]

I really want a pocket carry gun too, but I'm hung up on the P238/P938 myself...just don't know about cocked and locked in my pocket when I crouch down:\

you should have a pocket holster, that will fully enclose the trigger guard

 

[corwin]

you should have a pocket holster, that will fully enclose the trigger guard

LOL...I'm referring to the hammer being back and digging into my body when I crouch down

It's the same problem I have with my Bersa I appendix carry IWB now, when I bend over the hammer digs into my belly, I've gotten used to it but it still happens...but I prefer an exposed hammer by a long shot so I guess I just have to deal with it:\

 

[Zargon]

I assume you prefer the exposed hammer because you can SA round 1?

 

[corwin]

I assume you prefer the exposed hammer because you can SA round 1?

Partially...I also prefer seeing the hammer position and the "feel" of a trigger directly connected to the action...striker fired guns always have a lot of slack before it engages if it has an SA mode to it, I've got a Taurus 24/7 that is striker fired DA/SA, there's almost an inch of travel before it engages in SA, all exposed hammers the trigger travels back with the hammer being cocked...and of course DA is much heavier in all cases...

 

[Zargon]

yeah

you can usually feel the friction point on them though


how do you like the 24/7

I have eyed them for a while, seems like a great gun at a great price

 

[corwin]

yeah

you can usually feel the friction point on them though


how do you like the 24/7

I have eyed them for a while, seems like a great gun at a great price

Yeah you feel it but I hate that slack...aside from that the gun is great with the right ammo, if it's underpowered at all it won't function, had some cheap Russian stuff when I first bought it and could only fire one round at a time:\ All my other 9mm's ran it great though so it was just being finicky, haven't had an issue with anything else I've put through though including Tula/Wolf. It's DA pull is pretty clean too, and it has a decocker even...personally I'd like to trade mine for something else but haven't even tried yet, one of these days though it's going out the door

 

[CurseTheSky]

I MUCH prefer hammer-fired over striker-fired. Being able to put a finger on the hammer to ensure that nothing is caught in the trigger guard while holstering is a definite plus. Yes, I know, that SHOULDN'T happen, but I've heard of too many cases of negligent discharges from "professionals" because their shirt got caught while holstering, or something similar.

I also prefer SA/DA over just SA or just DA, except on a target-only gun (then SA is where it's at). The fact that I can carry it ready to go, but with the hammer down gives me the best of both worlds: heavy trigger as an "extra safety," and a lighter trigger for all subsequent shots. Some people hate the transition, but I don't mind it. Also, no safeties to worry about unlike a cocked-and-locked single action.

With that said, 1911s are still my favorite platform. I just wish there was something small, thin, cheap, and well built with a good SA/DA trigger and no external safety that I could carry. Essentially, a smaller version of my CZ P01.

 

[corwin]

I just wish there was something small, thin, cheap, and well built with a good SA/DA trigger and no external safety that I could carry. Essentially, a smaller version of my CZ P01.

Check out a Bersa...technically it does have an external safety (which doubles as the decocker) but nothing says you have to engage it They have a .380 single stack that is very thin, light, well built and the trigger is great in DA/SA..did I mention it's cheap I carry the .45 but it's a double stack 7rnd mag and a bit bulky in that regard, also not light:\ otherwise I've never had a single issue with any ammo and the trigger is damn nice...I've had one occasion to fire the little .380 and it matched my experience with my .45 and the person who owned it felt the same