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IGemini

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^^^Yup.

It's important to know that when you use any firearm, the gunpowder residue will get everywhere, primarily in the bore, receiver assembly, and parts of the slide (on pistols) near those. Even though so-called "non-corrosive" primers and powder are the norm, they can still cause rust if left long enough. It's good practice to clean any exposed metal surface after each use.
 

irishScott

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^^^Yup.

It's important to know that when you use any firearm, the gunpowder residue will get everywhere, primarily in the bore, receiver assembly, and parts of the slide (on pistols) near those. Even though so-called "non-corrosive" primers and powder are the norm, they can still cause rust if left long enough. It's good practice to clean any exposed metal surface after each use.

Unless it's a decent AK. Then you can tilt it up, remove the bolt group, take a shit in the receiver, put everything back together and it'll still function flawlessly. Or so I'm told.
 
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Jeeebus

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So...if i want to buy, should i buy ASAP? Ive heard prices will skyrocket come election time, and i reallllly dont wanna spend more than i have to.

you're thinking way too much about this. If you see a good price on something, you want it, and you can afford it, go for it. Prices go up and down.
 

slag

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This thread reminds me that I bought another 100 rounds a couple weeks ago and need to go to the firing range tonight and release some lead into the targets. Still loving the Glock 19.
 

irishScott

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Yeah but on the news and in some forums everyones like zooooooomGGGGg!!! by november prices are gonna skyrocket!!

They'll certainly go up, but I wouldn't call it "skyrocketing". And ammo will only go up so much, it's the price of guns that will considerably rise.
 

RampantAndroid

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Hoppes #9 is vile stuff. Hoppes Elite is my standard cleaner, works just as well without the smell. But if I have access to it, G96 works much better.

When cleaning crap out of the barrel, I use #9 - rips stuff right out. I sure as hell don't let it touch wood or remain on the metal. I'll look up hoppes elite. I know my local ranges carry G96. #9 does smell pretty awful - I use a respirator when I clean with it.

I've usually just held it up looking out the window at our great Washington clouds and been able to inspect the breach/bore. Though i do have a nice LED desk lamp i use at home but thats part of the reloading bench more than for that specific task.

To be clear, which season do you do this during? Today is a great day for it...yesterday not so much. :biggrin: Any amount of light into the bore is fine to check the grooves, IMO.



Is that what you take to the range? I've found for the range pretty much all i take is ammo and guns (and earplug/muff/glasses). Havent had a need to do any cleaning at the range. So my range bag is usually the sig 226 and SW 19-3 plus 200 rounds of ammo for each (plus 30 in the mags for the sig) plus targets, then a soft microfibre cloth to lay the guns on.

No, sorry. My range stuff is an ammo can with ammo, mags, speed loaders, earplugs, the muffs with a mic in them (I double up protection if I can), Oakley gloves for shooting my model 29 - the grip makes my hand bleed - and a bag for spent casings. I don't carry a rod or anything else - though a rod to remove casings stuck in the gun might be wise. I rest the guns inside the soft carry cases I use, but a cloth might be a better idea, thanks!


As for cleaning, i bought a hoppes kit originally (for 10 bucks) that had #9, lube, and a rod. Found i hated the rod and in fact i broke the stupid plastic part that holds clothes. Bought a nice all metal one and better brushes. Works just fine for me and cost maybe 20 bucks total (including the hoppes kit). I just store it in a small tupperware container.

I got the otis kit since I read around and found that metal rods can damage the crown on my garand and such, so I got the otis kit which uses a cable. I also have bore snakes, but those are for quick cleans.

Id say 500 for a new guy can be shot pretty quickly actually. I know i put 230 rounds through my sig in pretty much one visit just cause it was new and i was having fun with it. I could see the same with a new shooter. Or if he goes with his BIL it can use up more just cause of two shooters (but then again you should be sharing ammo)

I guess I'm not thinking of a .22 or .380 or even a 9mm gun - I'm thinking of my big bore hand cannons when 500 rounds and you have only a bloody stump left where a hand used to be But that's what I get for loading up my .41 magnum with 1600FPS rounds. Ow. Insanely accurate though, and everyone at the range was pretty much wondering "It looks like a .357 mag but sounds louder than a .44 mag..."

Just out of curiosity since your local but have you checked out seattleguns.net? You can go reload with a guy off there (which ive done) and save a bit on ammo. Especially rifle ammo. Doesnt take long to do either.

Never heard of it - you're saying you can arrange to reload with people and split the cost on the reloading bench? I'll check the site out.
 

RampantAndroid

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Yeah but on the news and in some forums everyones like zooooooomGGGGg!!! by november prices are gonna skyrocket!!

Go look on Gunbroker for my 6.5" Model 29 blued revolver. I paid $710 or so. It was generally going for more like 750-800 at the time (this was a year ago) - I now see my gun for no less than $1000. But if you want it, it's worth the cost right?

I just paid $800 for a parts correct Remington 1903A3 Springfield. In the 1980s I would have paid $50.



Unless it's a decent AK. Then you can tilt it up, remove the bolt group, take a shit in the receiver, put everything back together and it'll still function flawlessly. Or so I'm told.

All guns should be cleaned after shooting. The AK is as reliable as my M14 is, or my garand. Corrosive ammo will still corrosive, and the AK is no wonder weapon.


What's the point of inspecting the bore? Just to make sure it's not obstructed or dirty?

Obstruction, dirt, rust, ensuring the rifling is still in good shape - ALWAYS inspect the bore when buying. Ensure the grooves are well defined.
 
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Merad

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When cleaning crap out of the barrel, I use #9 - rips stuff right out. I sure as hell don't let it touch wood or remain on the metal. I'll look up hoppes elite. I know my local ranges carry G96. #9 does smell pretty awful - I use a respirator when I clean with it.

#9 is basically just kerosene AFAIK. Shouldn't really hurt most finishes and is actually meant to protect/preserve the metal. Wood or plastic is another matter, of course. That said, I really only use it in the bore and areas with particularly stubborn grease or carbon. CLP takes care of everything else.

Go look on Gunbroker for my 6.5" Model 29 blued revolver. I paid $710 or so. It was generally going for more like 750-800 at the time (this was a year ago) - I now see my gun for no less than $1000. But if you want it, it's worth the cost right?

Based on personal experience -
Either do heavy research beforehand, and take the time to track down the best possible deal; or, if you buy without doing as much research, don't look afterwards.... you'll only regret it.

Speaking of blowing money on guns, look what I brought home today:

 

RampantAndroid

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#9 is basically just kerosene AFAIK. Shouldn't really hurt most finishes and is actually meant to protect/preserve the metal. Wood or plastic is another matter, of course. That said, I really only use it in the bore and areas with particularly stubborn grease or carbon. CLP takes care of everything else.



Based on personal experience -
Either do heavy research beforehand, and take the time to track down the best possible deal; or, if you buy without doing as much research, don't look afterwards.... you'll only regret it.

Speaking of blowing money on guns, look what I brought home today:


Agreed - I'd NEVER pay 1K for a Model 29. But glocks and such, while going up in cost, are still cheap guns.

Is that the range officer model?
 

irishScott

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#9 is basically just kerosene AFAIK. Shouldn't really hurt most finishes and is actually meant to protect/preserve the metal. Wood or plastic is another matter, of course. That said, I really only use it in the bore and areas with particularly stubborn grease or carbon. CLP takes care of everything else.



Based on personal experience -
Either do heavy research beforehand, and take the time to track down the best possible deal; or, if you buy without doing as much research, don't look afterwards.... you'll only regret it.

Speaking of blowing money on guns, look what I brought home today:


Range Officer? Nice!
 

Kelvrick

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My favorite "clp" is weaponshield clp. Smells like cinnamon and along with my OTIS kit takes care of most of my cleaning needs. Sweet's 7.62 and some dental picks for anything harder to get out. hoppes #9 oil and slide glide for my libricating needs.
 

Merad

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Range Officer? Nice!

Yep it's the RO. I'm not extremely fond of the custom sight mount thing they use, but I don't really expect to change the sights as its purely a range toy. I'll make a thread when I get a chance to hit the range with it, probably next week.
 

gorcorps

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Only concern I have with buying one is the sight mount - AFAIK it's some crazy mount grove (I want a steel 1911 I can use at the range instead of my aluminum CCO.)

It's a groove specifically made for adjustable sights. It's still fairly standardized for that purpose though. Lots of different adjustable sights of you want night sights or something.
 

IGemini

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Unless it's a decent AK. Then you can tilt it up, remove the bolt group, take a shit in the receiver, put everything back together and it'll still function flawlessly. Or so I'm told.

Meh, depends on the circumstance. Certainly wouldn't want to shoot it after someone took a dump in one, that would just be wildly unsanitary. Though it does nutshell my thoughts on the platform. 7.62x39 is a clumsy round.

A guy I know has a rather nice long-barreled Norinco AK, was actually the first gun I ever shot. He was using petroleum jelly to preserve it, which isn't a bad approach when storing it for months upon years. But the moron didn't clean it off before firing it the next time. At the temperatures rifles can get while shooting, PJ basically turns into candle wax. It leaked into the action, slowed it down and ended up misfiring every round. He had to take apart the bolt assembly to get it all out.
 

velillen

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I guess I'm not thinking of a .22 or .380 or even a 9mm gun - I'm thinking of my big bore hand cannons when 500 rounds and you have only a bloody stump left where a hand used to be But that's what I get for loading up my .41 magnum with 1600FPS rounds. Ow. Insanely accurate though, and everyone at the range was pretty much wondering "It looks like a .357 mag but sounds louder than a .44 mag..."

O definitely depends on the caliper and the gun. I can put 150 rounds through my 357mag in a trip but i have to be going back and forth between it and my sig. Before i had the sig i did 150 rounds just on it in one trip and my wrist was hurting the next day. Could only imagine doing it with a 41mag or 44mag.


Never heard of it - you're saying you can arrange to reload with people and split the cost on the reloading bench? I'll check the site out.

Sort of. basically only one guy offers the time and service to do it (Sagewa...look under ammo section). But he preps all the brass has everything setup for you. You show up, check the load data (which he has memorized lol). You drop the powder in the cases and he does the rest. To do 1k of 9mm only takes probably an hour.

His prices on pistol isnt the best (10.50 per 50 rounds of 9mm as an example) but its more the rifle stuff that you can save tons with him. Worth at least sending him a PM and seeing what sort of prices he can offer for ya.



As for me, getting my first shotgun on saturday.

Mossberg 500 persuader 8 shot


Found a good deal on it and couldnt resist. Excited to actually own a shotgun for once!

And well on gun related things im buying also getting this,



SWR Spectre 2 Suppressor. For .22LR. Be fun to use on a future purchase ruger 10/22 and whichever .22 pistol i decide to buy. and a down the road fn five-seven (very down the road most likely)
 

RampantAndroid

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Ahh, OK - I've done that with a friend of mine up in Bothell (it's where I get my .41 magnum ammo - I paid for the dies, he supplies powder as we both bought .41 mag revolvers. Me with the Model 58 with fixed sights and 4" barrel, him with the 57 with adjustable sights and 6.5")

I've yet to reload rifle ammo with my friend, but I'm unsure if he was 30-06 or 308 dies even. I'll def check out the forum for the guy's offer. Thanks!

As for the Five Seven, I've yet to fire one, but having dry fired one the trigger pull is OK, just not up to 1911 standards.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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Only concern I have with buying one is the sight mount - AFAIK it's some crazy mount grove (I want a steel 1911 I can use at the range instead of my aluminum CCO.)

If it's a range toy, what's the issue? IIRC the concept behind the range officer was to produce an affordable competition-ready-out-of-the-box pistol. If you just want a steel range toy I'd go with an RIA or something cheaper, unless you want it for your collection or something.
 
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