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[glenn1]

I would say not to go too cheap on the 22 route. Some of them simply aren't made to last, or are way too picky about ammo. I would spend a solid 300-400 to get a quality Browning Buckmark or Ruger Mark III. My buckmark is a great shooter and seems to take whatever I put into it.

The Mark III is a PITA to disassemble. All .22LR's have issues with lower quality ammunition, there is none immune including your Browning; although using higher-velocity stuff can help sometimes.

I'll get a conversion kit eventually but I want something a little more powerful than a .22.

I wouldn't - you may shoot a few times and get bored of it and will then be sad you dropped big money on a pistol that will sit around gathering dust. Don't be the guy who drops a grand on one of the recommendations in this thread and its associated .22LR conversion kit, shoots it twice, then lets it sit around gathering dust (or then sells it a few months or years later for a fraction of the price paid). Better to buy a $250-$300 dedicated .22 pistol first, something like the Ruger SR22, a Beretta U22 Neos, or even the Airsoft/pellet gun version of a pistol you like; after all a Sig Sauer P226 in .177 caliber still makes holes in paper, but for a small fraction of the price of its 9MM/.40/.45 counterpart. If after shooting a thousand rounds or so from your .22 over the course of a few months you still have the shooting bug, then go for a nicer and/or higher caliber pistol.

 

[Merad]

The Mark III is a PITA to disassemble.

The MkIII gets a bad rap because most macho gun owners tear into it without reading the manual. After the first few dis-assemblies to let everything loosen up, I can have mine apart and back together in 2-3 minutes.

 

[pontifex]

http://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-115-gr-fmj-sellier-and-bellot-50-rounds

umm...i'm talking about right before/after the election. prices have started to come down since then...

 

[glenn1]

The MkIII gets a bad rap because most macho gun owners tear into it without reading the manual. After the first few dis-assemblies to let everything loosen up, I can have mine apart and back together in 2-3 minutes.

2-3 minutes is a PITA compared to a more modern weapon with a takedown switch. In that amount of time, I could have disassembled and reassembed my Ruger SR22, Smith and Wesson M&P .22, or Sig Sauer Mosquito a dozen times or so (and without tools and far less effort).

 

[BladeVenom]

Colt Woodsman Match Target Model is my favorite .22. Unfortunately they quit making those a long time ago.

 

[Merad]

2-3 minutes is a PITA compared to a more modern weapon with a takedown switch. In that amount of time, I could have disassembled and reassembed my Ruger SR22, Smith and Wesson M&P .22, or Sig Sauer Mosquito a dozen times or so (and without tools and far less effort).

Ok? It's not as laughably easy as a Sig or Glock but no worse than something like a 1911.

 

[Kelvrick]

Ok? It's not as laughably easy as a Sig or Glock but no worse than something like a 1911.

No, I'd say its worse than a 1911. And compared to its closest competitor, the browning buckmark, much harder than it needs to be.

 

[Merad]

No, I'd say its worse than a 1911. And compared to its closest competitor, the browning buckmark, much harder than it needs to be.

MkIII:
Pop out the lever on the back of the mainspring housing.
Pull out the housing and pull the pin out of the receiver.
Pull out the bolt.
Pull the barrel off of the frame (not necessary for cleaning, but if you want to).
Reassembly annoyance: getting the hammer strut to line up correctly.
Profit.

1911:
Push recoil spring plunger and rotate barrel bushing clockwise, release pressure on spring.
Align slide with dis-assembly notch and remove slide stop.
Remove slide.
Rotate barrel bushing counter clockwise to remove bushing & barrel.
Reassembly annoyance: getting the barrel link to line up with the slide stop.
Profit.

Both disassemble in 4 basic steps and have one fairly minor annoyance to deal with on reassembly. But, everyone is familiar with 1911s, so they don't bitch about them (as much).

Edit: In fairness I suppose with a stock MkIII you have to insert a magazine once or twice. Assuming you consider that "complicated".

 

[Kelvrick]

MkIII:
Pop out the lever on the back of the mainspring housing.
Pull out the housing and pull the pin out of the receiver.
Pull out the bolt.
Pull the barrel off of the frame (not necessary for cleaning, but if you want to).
Reassembly annoyance: getting the hammer strut to line up correctly.
Profit.

1911:
Push recoil spring plunger and rotate barrel bushing clockwise, release pressure on spring.
Align slide with dis-assembly notch and remove slide stop.
Remove slide.
Rotate barrel bushing counter clockwise to remove bushing & barrel.
Reassembly annoyance: getting the barrel link to line up with the slide stop.
Profit.

Both disassemble in 4 basic steps and have one fairly minor annoyance to deal with on reassembly. But, everyone is familiar with 1911s, so they don't bitch about them (as much).

Edit: In fairness I suppose with a stock MkIII you have to insert a magazine once or twice. Assuming you consider that "complicated".

I never said its too complicated. Just harder than the competition. But detail stripping, I find it much harder than the 1911. Thank god for the lesson I learned about always disassembling inside a plastic bag. Many a tiny spring has flown somewhere. Most users never have to take anything down past field strip level though.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[IGemini]

^^^
- Yes, 9mm is a good carry/HD round. .380 is the smallest I'd go, but prefer the larger calibers.
- Fully-automatics aren't really banned, it's just f'in hard to get them. The Fed has really tight regulations on them. You need to buy through a Class III FFL, get a tax stamp, BATFE background check plus they cost thousands of dollars themselves. And you thought firing a pistol was expensive. :biggrin: But when you hear talk about any rifle like an AK or AR, it's usually semi. At least it was when I talked about it.
- "Forever" is relative. It's largely the same process as the full-auto and depends on the state--I'm hearing wait times of a few days to a month. Pretty sure it's not longer than NY's 4-6 month wait on pistol permits.
- I bet the guy never saw any .204 Ruger rounds. Those nearly double the .17 WMR velocity.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[irishScott]

umm...i'm talking about right before/after the election. prices have started to come down since then...

I don't remember 9 going higher than $15 for 20 rounds in my area. But then I'm used to buying .45, so I guess I'm a little more numb to that kind of price.

 

[RampantAndroid]

That's almost 5K fps???!??? Holy shit! Thanks for all the answers. 4-6 MONTHS for a pistol permit? Jeez. I guess some places can limit the right to bear arms a lot as long as its still kinda there...

until the NRA or SAF funds a giant lawsuit. Like how Seattle tried to limit firearms in parks. Some guy got some money, and walked onto a park with a gun (announced he would 24 hours in advance) and when asked to leave, he sued. And won.

 

[irishScott]

Ok? It's not as laughably easy as a Sig or Glock but no worse than something like a 1911.

Sorry, but if it takes you 2-3 minutes to do a basic field-strip on a 1911 there is something wrong with you, the gun, or both. Unless it's your first 1-3 times ever touching a 1911.

 

[pontifex]

I don't remember 9 going higher than $15 for 20 rounds in my area. But then I'm used to buying .45, so I guess I'm a little more numb to that kind of price.

$15 for 20 or $15 for 50?


Even if you meant $15 for 50, thats still OVER double the price. if you don't call a price doubling as skyrocketing, then you must be once of AT's millionaires.

 

[velillen]

^^^

- "Forever" is relative. It's largely the same process as the full-auto and depends on the state--I'm hearing wait times of a few days to a month. Pretty sure it's not longer than NY's 4-6 month wait on pistol permits.
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Estimated wait times are 6-8 months for approval on the suppressors. Used to only be a month or so but since Washignton made them legal to actually use (previously you could own but not use) the wait times have skyrocketed like everything else lol.

But lucky for me im going to be gone for ~6months so ill order it now and it should be ready when i get back...or soon after.

 

[olds]

So...if i want to buy, should i buy ASAP? Ive heard prices will skyrocket come election time, and i reallllly dont wanna spend more than i have to.

I would. Obummer is going after legal gun owners once he wins reelection. He already promised the Brady group. It's why he ran guns into Mexico. So he could say: " hey look. American guns are being used by drug lords, we need to tighten restrictions here." Since only law abiding citizens follow laws, it will only affect them. The criminals will continue to do as they wish.

 

[irishScott]

$15 for 20 or $15 for 50?


Even if you meant $15 for 50, thats still OVER double the price. if you don't call a price doubling as skyrocketing, then you must be once of AT's millionaires.

I define "skyrocketing" as when something becomes unaffordable for the average person. If the price of a pack of m&m's doubles, I wouldn't say it "skyrocketed", I would say it "doubled". Likewise plenty of people kept buying ammo even after the prices went up.

To go back to the physical origins of the term, I'm pretty sure rockets launched towards the sky typically go higher than twice their own height.

 

[Merad]

I would. Obummer is going after legal gun owners once he wins reelection. He already promised the Brady group. It's why he ran guns into Mexico. So he could say: " hey look. American guns are being used by drug lords, we need to tighten restrictions here." Since only law abiding citizens follow laws, it will only affect them. The criminals will continue to do as they wish.

P&N is thataway ---->

 

[RampantAndroid]

Estimated wait times are 6-8 months for approval on the suppressors. Used to only be a month or so but since Washignton made them legal to actually use (previously you could own but not use) the wait times have skyrocketed like everything else lol.

But lucky for me im going to be gone for ~6months so ill order it now and it should be ready when i get back...or soon after.

The GREAT part though? You apply in January. You get the permit in August or something. When was the permit signed and dated as approved? March. They're holding on to the permits for MONTHS just to play a political game.

I would. Obummer is going after legal gun owners once he wins reelection. He already promised the Brady group. It's why he ran guns into Mexico. So he could say: " hey look. American guns are being used by drug lords, we need to tighten restrictions here." Since only law abiding citizens follow laws, it will only affect them. The criminals will continue to do as they wish.

And Fast & Furious hurts Obama the post turtle's agenda. So does the fact that in the last 30 years, gun rights have been GROWING. There's an animated gif that basically shows states as lighting us as "Shall issue" states, and more recently "no permit needed" states.

 

[irishScott]

I would. Obummer is going after legal gun owners once he wins reelection. He already promised the Brady group. It's why he ran guns into Mexico. So he could say: " hey look. American guns are being used by drug lords, we need to tighten restrictions here." Since only law abiding citizens follow laws, it will only affect them. The criminals will continue to do as they wish.

Republicans own the house, and are not likely to loose it. And there are a decent number of 2nd amendment Democrats. The most Obama could likely do is appoint anti-gun justices, which would be a problem but not an earth-shattering one.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[BladeVenom]

Republicans own the house, and are not likely to loose it. And there are a decent number of 2nd amendment Democrats. The most Obama could likely do is appoint anti-gun justices, which would be a problem but not an earth-shattering one.

Where were those 2nd Amendment Democrats when Clinton passed anti-2nd Amendment legislation? Didn't most blindly follow the party line?

Here's Eric Holder talking about brainwashing people into being anti-gun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0 Now we know he'll even provide guns to some of the most violent criminal cartels in the world, just to make guns look bad, and Obama will still support him.

 

[ManBearPig]

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