YAGT: OMG I love guns

[Zargon]

lol I have never heard of a problem with the M&P series (other than the recent issue with the Shield, a new gun). I own one, so I do somewhat pay attention.

I just love the 'buy a gen 4 glock, M&Ps have problems!' post though. I mean, it's not like gen 4 glocks had a recall or anything. The glock fan boys are almost, and I mean almost, as annoying as the Apple/Microsoft crowd. Glocks are good guns. M&Ps are good guns... no need to get an erection over it.

Ii might have the shield and the xds recall mixed up. One of them was causing the gun to fire its own follow up shots.

Tho a trigger issue is pretty bad on its own. AFAIK the gen 4 glock recalls arent big deals. Ejecting shells too vertically.

Voluntary recalls are very different than mandated recalls because the gun fires itself


There isnt much internally differentiating a g1 from a g4 internally and its a swappable.

I replaced a lot of parts in my g1 w g3parts before g4 was released due to them being 20+ years old....not due to function issues.

The m&p is a fine gun.....but its not as aged and changes more.

I bought my 17 when it was 20 yrs old...all original and put 2k rounds w/o a failure. sorry but I see value in it.

Again.....I'd put an m&p or xd in my safe....but if I have to have one it's the click

Longer proven history and cheaper. Handfuls of older clocks for ,400 bucks all day....hard to beat.

He didn't say what guns it was what gun. When its singular it will be a glock

If a good 1911 wasn't twice as much used I'd recommend that as well

 

[shortylickens]

9mm is cheap cuz its produced in massive quantities.
380 is more expensive and 32 more still.
At least during the current ammo drought.

 

[madoka]

IMO the M&P changes too much, and there have been nasty recalls lately

glock all the way

I own nine Glocks and seven M&P pistols, so I'd say that I'm not biased.

Glocks have been very reliable to me, though initially I was a bit inaccurate with them and really didn't like the way they felt. I noticed that my friend had a bunch of FTF (failure to feed) due to limp wristing.

M&Ps are equally reliable. Initially I was very accurate with them, but now that I got better with the Glocks, I'm worse with the S&Ws.

Between the two, they are fairly equal and so it comes down to personal preference. Try out both and see which one feels better to you. And the scary part is that over time, that may change as I've found.

BTW, another gun to look at would be the Beretta 92, which is the sidearm of the US Armed Forces. It's about $50-$75 more, but it's a sweet gun as well. It is one of the easiest guns to field strip and clean, whereas the slide lock on the Glock is difficult to grab and hold down and there's a small lever in M&Ps that you have to find and manipulate. Still they are not as bad as other guns where I have to look up a youtube video to figure it out (I'm looking at you HK).

 

[Svnla]

I do like the Shield and LC9 (size wise) but I wish they would not have the thumb safeties.

 

[Zargon]

I haven't held an lc9 but I've shot the lcp...it was accurate and easy to fire and I wouldn't ever shoot it again at a range

No fun.


Berettas are fantastic guns. Full size all metal 9mms are great to shoot

Around me and last time I was on arfcom looking they were a bit pricey... Which means they hold value well

 

[Tiamat]

Just picked up a Daniel Defense ddm4v7lw. I like the modular rail and light weight. Gonna upgrade the furniture one notch. The moe butt stock wiggle too much and the finger groove on the moe grip bothers me. Thinking either troy battle sights or magpul pro for buis... Perhaps a Bushnell 6500 2.5x-16x glass...

Sigh, and I just finished up my 10/22 project too... Lol... This never ends

 

[madoka]

Berettas are fantastic guns. Full size all metal 9mms are great to shoot

Around me and last time I was on arfcom looking they were a bit pricey... Which means they hold value well

I picked up a M9A1 for $600 and last week I got a M9 for $500. Both were brand new guns from private parties. So they can be price competitive with Glocks and M&Ps. Plus, they look so much sexier than the Glocks or S&Ws.

 

[JackBurton]

I own nine Glocks and seven M&P pistols, so I'd say that I'm not biased.

Glocks have been very reliable to me, though initially I was a bit inaccurate with them and really didn't like the way they felt. I noticed that my friend had a bunch of FTF (failure to feed) due to limp wristing.

M&Ps are equally reliable. Initially I was very accurate with them, but now that I got better with the Glocks, I'm worse with the S&Ws.

Between the two, they are fairly equal and so it comes down to personal preference. Try out both and see which one feels better to you. And the scary part is that over time, that may change as I've found.

BTW, another gun to look at would be the Beretta 92, which is the sidearm of the US Armed Forces. It's about $50-$75 more, but it's a sweet gun as well. It is one of the easiest guns to field strip and clean, whereas the slide lock on the Glock is difficult to grab and hold down and there's a small lever in M&Ps that you have to find and manipulate. Still they are not as bad as other guns where I have to look up a youtube video to figure it out (I'm looking at you HK).

Dude, HK's are easy to take down. Glocks are easier but not by much IMO.

 

[madoka]

Dude, HK's are easy to take down. Glocks are easier but not by much IMO.

Glock is tolerable once you add the extended slide lock. The normal slide lock is just to small and difficult to grip. But, at least the field strip procedure is the same across the line.

I can't say the same about the HKs I have. I had to look up which notch I needed to align, how far to pull out the slide lock (on P30) or if it comes off completely (USP) and only through trial and error did I learn the slide lock would not go back in unless there was no magazine in the gun. The first time I tried field stripping my P30LS, I forced it too hard and I pulled the entire slide lock off the gun. That freaked me out.

 

[Dankk]

Well you have three types. All three are still made so i wouldnt call one older or newer though when looking at guns.

Single Action (SA) - Basically you have to cock the hammer for every shot. Its "single action" is to release the hammer into the firing pin to fire the bullet. In a semi-auto after the first shot, the slide will cock the hammer for you. In a revolver youll be doing the cocking every time.

Double action only (DAO) - Basically each time you pull the trigger the hammer cocks itself and then fires. There is no SA function at all. Even in a semi auto each shot will require the DA trigger pull.

Double Action/Single action - Combines both. I would say this is the most popular type in handguns for modern guns. In a semi-auto the first shot can be DA and after that shot the slide will cock the hammer leaving you SA for the remaining shots and even after reloading (slide will be in the rear position so the hammer is cocked). In a revolver....basically you pick which way you want to go. You either cock the hammer for each shot for your SA, or you can shoot each shot in DA.



The lcr are nice hammerless guns. Nice for carrying

That is very helpful, thanks!

 

[spacejamz]

Berettas are fantastic guns. Full size all metal 9mms are great to shoot

my 92fs w/ crimson trace grip just melts into my palm......thinking about getting the nano...that felt pretty good to grip to me as well (definitely better than the PX4 Storm Sub compact)...

A gander mountain just opened up near me (never heard of it until I drove by it yesterday)...they have the nano on sale for $429 and ruger LCP for $299 (after a $50 mail in rebate)...

 

[etrigan420]

my 92fs w/ crimson trace grip just melts into my palm......thinking about getting the nano...that felt pretty good to grip to me as well (definitely better than the PX4 Storm Sub compact)...

A gander mountain just opened up near me (never heard of it until I drove by it yesterday)...they have the nano on sale for $429 and ruger LCP for $299 (after a $50 mail in rebate)...

Make sure you check on the Beretta forums...I know that the Nano's were having some "issues" with the early runs. I would imagine it's been taken care of now, but can't hurt to check, and most of the guys over there are good peeps.

 

[Zargon]

I picked up a M9A1 for $600 and last week I got a M9 for $500. Both were brand new guns from private parties. So they can be price competitive with Glocks and M&Ps. Plus, they look so much sexier than the Glocks or S&Ws.

thats pretty nice!

 

[shortylickens]

Does anybody have a pistol with built-in magazine?

I cant recall ever seeing one.

 

[velillen]

Dude, HK's are easy to take down. Glocks are easier but not by much IMO.

I hated taking my g20 down when i had it. I keep my finger nails short so getting the slide release to press down correctly was just annoying as hell. made the 1911 seem super easy and the other "pull slide to rear, flip lever down, slide the slide forward" type to be childs play.

Does anybody have a pistol with built-in magazine?

I cant recall ever seeing one.

Theres been a couple...the names are escaping me now though. Remember it being pretty ugly though and you loaded through the action (like an sks or mosin). Im sure someone else will remember names

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I picked up a M9A1 for $600 and last week I got a M9 for $500. Both were brand new guns from private parties. So they can be price competitive with Glocks and M&Ps. Plus, they look so much sexier than the Glocks or S&Ws.

They do look much nicer, and I think they're fun to shoot. I do wish they were not the US service pistol, though, as they are so heavy, and that open slide seems like a terrible idea in adverse conditions.

 

[exdeath]

Lol at HKs being hard to field strip.

I can do my USP and 91 blindfolded.

 

[exdeath]

They do look much nicer, and I think they're fun to shoot. I do wish they were not the US service pistol, though, as they are so heavy, and that open slide seems like a terrible idea in adverse conditions.

They aren't heavy at all for the size. The open slide has a lot to do with that. Its also proven to be quite friendly with sand, jams, etc and more accurate than most due to the long barrel/slide and sight radius.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

They aren't heavy at all for the size. The open slide has a lot to do with that. Its also proven to be quite friendly with sand, jams, etc and more accurate than most due to the long barrel/slide and sight radius.

Not heavy for its size? It weighs 12 oz more than a Glock 17 (which is still lighter, when loaded with 17 rounds, than the Beretta is empty), and 7 oz more than a full-size USP 9mm.

As for the "benefits" of the open slide, the M9 has fared poorly in the abusive torture tests I've seen (e.g., http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/127016_Beretta_Torture_Test__warning_heavy_pics.html). I am not saying tests like these are necessarily reflective of what the gun would experience in the real world - you'd have to be insane to allow your personal defense weapon to undergo this kind of abuse - but they do show that the open slide represents a vulnerability.

I don't mean to come off as a hater - I like the M9 fine (other than that lanyard ring, which I have managed to bang with my hand during reloading on more than one occasion - the thicker baseplate on the M9A1 should take care of that problem, though). I just don't think it was the best choice for our troops given the other options.

 

[madoka]

Lol at HKs being hard to field strip.

I can do my USP and 91 blindfolded.

Have you tried the P30LS? If so, can you explain to me why they would change the procedure from the USP line? Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to install the takedown pin from a P30 if you accidentally take it out? Do you know under what conditions the take down pin will reinsert? Did you know the slide of the P30 will not lock back into place unless the magazine is removed after a field strip? These are all stupid idiosyncrasies that I found only through trial and error.

 

[exdeath]

Yay +500 rds .22LR Winchester M-22 @ $29 locally.

Little bit over MSRP but can't complain about 6 cents a round for quality plated high velocity bulk 22 right now.

They just got them in an hour ago and had about 10 boxes, limit 1 naturally.

Probably going to pick up a 10/22CRR compact locally around $300 new. FFL fees and shipping would negate any online savings, so might as well bite.

 

[exdeath]

Not heavy for its size? It weighs 12 oz more than a Glock 17 (which is still lighter, when loaded with 17 rounds, than the Beretta is empty), and 7 oz more than a full-size USP 9mm.

As for the "benefits" of the open slide, the M9 has fared poorly in the abusive torture tests I've seen (e.g., http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/127016_Beretta_Torture_Test__warning_heavy_pics.html). I am not saying tests like these are necessarily reflective of what the gun would experience in the real world - you'd have to be insane to allow your personal defense weapon to undergo this kind of abuse - but they do show that the open slide represents a vulnerability.

I don't mean to come off as a hater - I like the M9 fine (other than that lanyard ring, which I have managed to bang with my hand during reloading on more than one occasion - the thicker baseplate on the M9A1 should take care of that problem, though). I just don't think it was the best choice for our troops given the other options.

Really? I still need to get one, but the few times I've handled one, 92FS, I SWEAR it felt as light as a feather compared to my USP 40.

 

[exdeath]

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/174691

CCI Velocitor 22LR 40 gr CPHP 1400+ fps in stock $58 / 500

Limit 1 and $15 shipping might turn off some but its there.

And gone lol.

 

[rudeguy]

So...I have the bug again.....

Whats new and pretty for a compact (not sub compact) carry gun? DA would be good. No external safeties.

 

[IEC]

So...I have the bug again.....

Whats new and pretty for a compact (not sub compact) carry gun? DA would be good. No external safeties.

Glock 19, Glock 26, Springfield XDS