YAGT: OMG I love guns

[Ns1]

are bullets still outrageously expensive? Namely .22

 

[shortylickens]

are bullets still outrageously expensive? Namely .22

Where do you live?

 

[Ns1]

Where do you live?

SoCal

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

What about this? Full size bullets (7.62 x 39) in 30 rounds mags for a small little thing = http://www.classicfirearms.com/hand-guns/papm92pv

I am not a big fan but it was so cute and not too expensive but it is out of stock for now.

I've always been mystified why anyone is interested in AR or AK pistols for any reason other than an illegal one (converting them into SBRs). The AR ones seem especially stupid due to the buffer tube hanging out in the air with no stock.

 

[shortylickens]

SoCal

OH, well in your case, no.

In fact for you I'd recommend going online and buying bulk ammo, get it delivered UPS ground. You wont find it cheaper in stores.


www.sportsmansguide.com is the last place I bought ammo. It was reasonable (compared to all the other sharks out there)

 

[RampantAndroid]

Just got my scope rings and mounted the scope to my M21

 

[irishScott]

I've always been mystified why anyone is interested in AR or AK pistols for any reason other than an illegal one (converting them into SBRs). The AR ones seem especially stupid due to the buffer tube hanging out in the air with no stock.

Blame 80s/90s action movies. Somewhere between Stallone, Willis and Schwarzenegger some guys got it into their heads that a massive, over-powered uncontrollable machine pistol in each hand was just the coolest thing ever.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Blame 80s/90s action movies. Somewhere between Stallone, Willis and Schwarzenegger some guys got it into their heads that a massive, over-powered uncontrollable machine pistol in each hand was just the coolest thing ever.

Wait...its not? And I can't snipe guys out of lookout towers with a mac10?

 

[Ns1]

OH, well in your case, no.

In fact for you I'd recommend going online and buying bulk ammo, get it delivered UPS ground. You wont find it cheaper in stores.


www.sportsmansguide.com is the last place I bought ammo. It was reasonable (compared to all the other sharks out there)

ty

 

[IEC]

I've always been mystified why anyone is interested in AR or AK pistols for any reason other than an illegal one (converting them into SBRs). The AR ones seem especially stupid due to the buffer tube hanging out in the air with no stock.

They're a placeholder until you get that tax stamp...

 

[RampantAndroid]

They're a placeholder until you get that tax stamp...

SBRs aren't legal in all states.

I frankly never liked the look of AR pistols either.

 

[BladeVenom]

I have a couple cheap knives that I would not trust with anything more than their current box opening duties. Oddly...I am ok with plastic though...

High carbon steel is cheap and works great; you just have to take care of it.

Cheap stainless however sucks.

 

[shortylickens]

High carbon steel is cheap and works great; you just have to take care of it.

Cheap stainless however sucks.

H1 steel never rusts but so far only Spyderco is using it. And they dont have a wide selection either.

 

[HumblePie]

I've always been mystified why anyone is interested in AR or AK pistols for any reason other than an illegal one (converting them into SBRs). The AR ones seem especially stupid due to the buffer tube hanging out in the air with no stock.

Umm, they aren't illegal. Using them as an SBR isn't the same as converting them to an SBR. As a lawyer you should know that legal distinction.

Again, I can use any pistol as a rifle. Just hold a pistol to my shoulder and fire it. It would probably hurt like hell, but I can do it. Improper usage of a weapon's design isn't making the weapon illegal by the law as it currently stands. So calling it illegal is the wrong description.

Saying people only buy AR and AK pistols to use them in a way they aren't intended such as using them as an SBR is what you should have said.

 

[TerryMathews]

I've always been mystified why anyone is interested in AR or AK pistols for any reason other than an illegal one (converting them into SBRs). The AR ones seem especially stupid due to the buffer tube hanging out in the air with no stock.

I hope you aren't a firearms lawyer...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Umm, they aren't illegal. Using them as an SBR isn't the same as converting them to an SBR. As a lawyer you should know that legal distinction.

Again, I can use any pistol as a rifle. Just hold a pistol to my shoulder and fire it. It would probably hurt like hell, but I can do it. Improper usage of a weapon's design isn't making the weapon illegal by the law as it currently stands. So calling it illegal is the wrong description.

Saying people only buy AR and AK pistols to use them in a way they aren't intended such as using them as an SBR is what you should have said.

Of course I understand "using" an AR pistol as a rifle is legal as long as you don't add a stock, but there is no practical way of doing so. The AK pistols are even worse in that respect, because there is nothing to shoulder (as opposed to the AR, where there is at least a buffer tube).

I know SBRs aren't illegal, but they're illegal without a tax stamp. Putting a stock onto an AR or AK pistol (which is, in my view, mandatory in order to make it in any way useful) is illegal unless you have an SBR tax stamp. Presumably if you DO have one, you wouldn't bother buying a stupid AR or AK pistol in the first place (other than, as someone suggested, a temporary measure while awaiting a tax stamp).

Of course it isn't illegal to have a useless, expensive toy like an AR or AK pistol, but I find it very difficult to see the point unless you intend to convert it to an SBR. The fact that there are 9mm AR pistols is an endless head-scratcher to me - you're building a totally unwieldy, expensive heavy "pistol" that more or less can't be fired accurately, when you could buy a Glock 17 or 19 and use a 33-round magazine instead. Again, people have the right to buy all kind of worthless crap, but that seems like a uniquely pointless, self-punishing purchase unless the buyer intends to create an SBR (legally or illegally).

I don't know what kind of pistols you have other than your 1911, but I don't see how in hell you'd shoulder a 1911 or any other semi-auto pistol with a slide (i.e., not a Luger or something similar), and if you did your shoulder would have a nice deep bruise and possibly a broken clavicle, depending on where you placed the beaver tail and how long it is.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I hope you aren't a firearms lawyer...

I know SBRs are not illegal with a tax stamp, but if the buyer has a tax stamp, why is he buying an otherwise-worthless AR pistol in the first place? Putting any kind of stock onto an AR pistol is a felony without a tax stamp, and I don't see any other useful purpose for an AR pistol.

 

[TerryMathews]

Of course I understand "using" an AR pistol as a rifle is legal as long as you don't add a stock, but there is no practical way of doing so. The AK pistols are even worse in that respect, because there is nothing to shoulder (as opposed to the AR, where there is at least a buffer tube).

I know SBRs aren't illegal, but they're illegal without a tax stamp. Putting a stock onto an AR or AK pistol (which is, in my view, mandatory in order to make it in any way useful) is illegal unless you have an SBR tax stamp. Presumably if you DO have one, you wouldn't bother buying a stupid AR or AK pistol in the first place (other than, as someone suggested, a temporary measure while awaiting a tax stamp).

Of course it isn't illegal to have a useless, expensive toy like an AR or AK pistol, but I find it very difficult to see the point unless you intend to convert it to an SBR. The fact that there are 9mm AR pistols is an endless head-scratcher to me - you're building a totally unwieldy, expensive heavy "pistol" that more or less can't be fired accurately, when you could buy a Glock 17 or 19 and use a 33-round magazine instead. Again, people have the right to buy all kind of worthless crap, but that seems like a uniquely pointless, self-punishing purchase unless the buyer intends to create an SBR (legally or illegally).

I don't know what kind of pistols you have other than your 1911, but I don't see how in hell you'd shoulder a 1911 or any other semi-auto pistol with a slide (i.e., not a Luger or something similar), and if you did your shoulder would have a nice deep bruise and possibly a broken clavicle, depending on where you placed the beaver tail and how long it is.

You don't need to shoulder an AR15 pistol. Magpul AFGs and handstops are legal, giving you a solid two-hand grip. Like an UZI folded, or an MP5

I know SBRs are not illegal with a tax stamp, but if the buyer has a tax stamp, why is he buying an otherwise-worthless AR pistol in the first place? Putting any kind of stock onto an AR pistol is a felony without a tax stamp, and I don't see any other useful purpose for an AR pistol.

No. http://www.tombstonetactical.com/c...-sigtac-ar15-pistol-stabilizing-brace-black/ is perfectly legal on an AR15 per ATF.

 

[Phanuel]

I find rifle caliber pistols somewhat useless but I can't legally get an SBR in this state so it's the only thing people can get legally here.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You don't need to shoulder an AR15 pistol. Magpul AFGs and handstops are legal, giving you a solid two-hand grip. Like an UZI folded, or an MP5

No. http://www.tombstonetactical.com/c...-sigtac-ar15-pistol-stabilizing-brace-black/ is perfectly legal on an AR15 per ATF.

I still don't see how these things make any sense. No combination of an AFG/VFG and hand stop is going to allow you to accurately hold and fire an AR or AK for anything better than spray-and-pray, and unlike an Uzi or MP5 (neither of which is a paragon of accuracy with the stock folded), we are not talking about pistol calibers, we are talking rifle calibers. Again, the fact that I think these are stupid doesn't mean a person can't buy one - I just don't see the point.

That Sig brace will most certainly make more of a difference in terms of stability, but again it seems like more of a silly novelty (or a disability accommodation for a one-armed shooter - I do not find that silly and am not making fun of someone with such a special need) than something with any practical application for 99.9% of shooters. Can you imagine someone walking around with an AR pistol velcroed onto his arm in the real world? It seems only faintly more practical than this:

 

[TerryMathews]

I still don't see how these things make any sense. No combination of an AFG/VFG and hand stop is going to allow you to accurately hold and fire an AR or AK for anything better than spray-and-pray, and unlike an Uzi or MP5 (neither of which is a paragon of accuracy with the stock folded), we are not talking about pistol calibers, we are talking rifle calibers. Again, the fact that I think these are stupid doesn't mean a person can't buy one - I just don't see the point.

That Sig brace will most certainly make more of a difference in terms of stability, but again it seems like more of a silly novelty (or a disability accommodation for a one-armed shooter - I do not find that silly and am not making fun of someone with such a special need) than something with any practical application for 99.9% of shooters. Can you imagine someone walking around with an AR pistol velcroed onto his arm in the real world? It seems only faintly more practical than this:

Having used an AR15 pistol, I disagree with you. 223 is not a high recoil round.

Look more closely at the Sig brace. It is modeled on the M4 stock. You can shoulder it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Having used an AR15 pistol, I disagree with you. 223 is not a high recoil round.

Look more closely at the Sig brace. It is modeled on the M4 stock. You can shoulder it.

I guess you could (I find it curious BATF has blessed it for that reason), but it looks like the world's least ergonomic M4 stock, plus it is shorter than any fully-collapsed stock I've ever seen. Admittedly I am 6'4", so need a fair amount of length to be comfortable, but I can't imagine any adult being comfortable with a stock this short. No question it would be better than shouldering just a buffer tube, though. The whole thing just seems like a silly exercise to me.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Having used an AR15 pistol, I disagree with you. 223 is not a high recoil round.

Look more closely at the Sig brace. It is modeled on the M4 stock. You can shoulder it.

Sure, and it won't be long until the ATF bans it.

Have they banned the slide fire yet?

 

[HumblePie]

For the Sig brace, there is a version for AK pistols...

Which you can buy one here..

http://www.jgsales.com/-p-63024.html

Or you can buy the specific sig complete AR here for example..

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...SIG+Sauer/SIG+PM40011BSPSB+400+5.56+11.5+PSTL

Again, with that brace there meant to be strapped to the forearm, there is nothing to stop the user from pushing the back of that forearm brace into their shoulder and using it in a similar fashion to a standard shoulder stock that would be found on any rifle.

Using the forearm brace that was is not illegal. The brace was not designed to be used that way so using it in a manner it is not "designed" is to take the risk of whatever goes wrong with the application of the firearm when used incorrectly unto yourself.

As far as tax stamps go, you seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding on how the work DVC. You buy a specific stamp for a specific firearm. If you want to buy 5 SBR's each one must have their own stamp purchased if you buying them as an individual. The exception is to use a trust with the stamp purchase. Which even fewer states allow tax stamps through trusts for firearm purchases. Part of getting the tax stamp is specifically registering the specific firearm that the tax stamp will be for. This is because of many reasons such as being required to get permission to take any stamped firearm across state lines.

I will say that a lot of people as of late are buying AR or AK pistols with the buffer tube out the back so they can buy the sig brace, or just buy the whole thing complete. Completely legal firearm and firearm accessory that one can buy without a tax stamp requirement in pretty much all 50 states.

I agree the premise of using the pistol as intended to strap to the forearm for extra stabilization is certainly a "novelty" and of dubious practicality. But there is no law that states people can't decide to use the forearm brace in a way that it wasn't originally designed or intended for. Which people can use it as a shoulder stock legally if they want and use the pistol as one would use a short barrel rifle instead.

 

[HumblePie]

Sure, and it won't be long until the ATF bans it.

Have they banned the slide fire yet?

Nope, they haven't banned the slide fire yet. Nor have they banned the forearm brace. The law as it is currently written will prevent the ATF from even attempting to try ban the forearm brace. The forearm brace does exactly what it is designed to do. It allows one to comfortably strap an AR or AK pistol to their forearm to obtain greater accuracy and stability while firing the pistol one handed. That is the design and intent of the accessory. The fact that people misuse it from the original intent is not part of the scope of the law as it is currently written. It would take an act of Congress to change it. If Congress does change the law, then such an accessory would certainly be banned at that point.