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[jpeyton]

Anyone have a thought on Federal for carry ammo? I'm liking some of the prices I'm seeing but I have no experience with it.

HST, yes. It's the best stuff you can buy IMO. Hydrashok or anything else, no.

 

[Tiamat]

Anyone have a thought on Federal for carry ammo? I'm liking some of the prices I'm seeing but I have no experience with it.

Hst or preferably hst +p. They have very good expansion. For my smaller handguns, I like speer gold dot short barrel. The hst is usually only sold to le. However you can find it at gun shows often.

 

[OCGuy]

Hst or preferably hst +p. They have very good expansion. For my smaller handguns, I like speer gold dot short barrel. The hst is usually only sold to le. However you can find it at gun shows often.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/12-0315136

 

[jpeyton]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/12-0315136

Or if you don't want to promote ass rape, try here: http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2

 

[OCGuy]

Or if you don't want to promote ass rape, try here: http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2

Wasn't trying to provide the lowest price, just trying to prove it was available to the public outside of gunshows.

 

[rudeguy]

Or if you don't want to promote ass rape, try here: http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2

OCguy knows me better than you do...

 

[pontifex]

8mm?

Thats a film not a bullet!

It IS a bullet caliber.
its what the germans used in ww2 in a lot of weapons

 

[rudeguy]

It IS a bullet caliber.
its what the germans used in ww2 in a lot of weapons

I thought they used it in the Sturmgewehr but I was wrong. However now I really want to shoot one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44

 

[shortylickens]

If you guys dig around on Youtube, you can find plenty of people shooting into sides of beef. When it comes to bone and flesh, you'd be amazed how similarly all the hollow points perform.
The only noticeable difference is in gel tests.

 

[rudeguy]

If you guys dig around on Youtube, you can find plenty of people shooting into sides of beef. When it comes to bone and flesh, you'd be amazed how similarly all the hollow points perform.
The only noticeable difference is in gel tests.

I'm much more worried about reliability than if it goes another .002" into a dead cow. I want to know that when I pull the trigger, it goes boom. I've never had a Gold Dot ftf so I have stuck with them.

So HydraShock is a no?
HST is what I should look into?

 

[shortylickens]

I've never had a Hydrashok or HST fail on me either.
Those are not CHEAP bullets. They're high quality rounds with a much lower failure rate than all the different target rounds, cheap or brand name.

Only snobs who read magazines think that any one of them is somehow inferior.

 

[jpeyton]

Only snobs who read magazines think that any one of them is somehow inferior.

The bottom line is that Hydrashok is an older generation hollow point design, HST is a better overall design (better expansion, penetration), and HST only costs $30 for a box of 50 rounds. So why buy Hydrashok, which is just as or more expensive?

 

[irishScott]

The bottom line is that Hydrashok is an older generation hollow point design, HST is a better overall design (better expansion, penetration), and HST only costs $30 for a box of 50 rounds. So why buy Hydrashok, which is just as or more expensive?

They're still around for a reason. I'll agree HST is better tech, but I sincerely doubt Hydrashok won't do the job.

 

[irishScott]

I'm much more worried about reliability than if it goes another .002" into a dead cow. I want to know that when I pull the trigger, it goes boom. I've never had a Gold Dot ftf so I have stuck with them.

So HydraShock is a no?
HST is what I should look into?

Ultimate reliability bullet-wise I'd go for Hornady Critical Duty. Law Enforcement upgrade of the Critical Defense line, both have that eraser insert into the hollowpoint cavity. Ensures reliable expansion (especially through thick clothing) and smoother feeding. It's a fairly new round, but the tests are pretty impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZFZFmBKa0

http://www.hornady.com/store/Critical-Duty

 

[OCGuy]

Ultimate reliability bullet-wise I'd go for Hornady Critical Duty. Law Enforcement upgrade of the Critical Defense line, both have that eraser insert into the hollowpoint cavity. Ensures reliable expansion (especially through thick clothing) and smoother feeding. It's a fairly new round, but the tests are pretty impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZFZFmBKa0

http://www.hornady.com/store/Critical-Duty

For some reason my home defense .45 had the Critical Defense zombie ammo in it for a couple weeks......I decided that explaining why my ammo had green tips to the DA during a self-defense investigation would just be another headache in that situation.

 

[jpeyton]

They're still around for a reason. I'll agree HST is better tech, but I sincerely doubt Hydrashok won't do the job.

It's still around so Walmart can hawk Hydra-Shok for $1/round.

But in reality, it's around because things in the firearms world move very slowly, and very surely. Maybe it's all the old stodgy gun owners who stick with one thing indefinitely, or long-standing government contracts, or something else entirely. But just because Hydra-Shok is around doesn't mean you should recommend anyone buy it over HST.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[marvdmartian]

It IS a bullet caliber.
its what the germans used in ww2 in a lot of weapons

True.....but I think if you go back and read the original post, you'll notice that they put 8mm in one area, then talked about shooting nine right after it.

Pretty sure the 8mm was a finger fumble.

 

[boomhower]

Hydrashok is not as expensive as HST. HST is closer to $40-45+ shipped if you dont get it in large quantities.

Keep a check on sgammo.com. They regularly get it in at ~$30 for 50 round box.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[Bartman39]

Ok so made a few trades/deals yesterday... I met with a nice fellow shooter from Austin and traded my all stock Ruger Mini 14 223 cal stainless all weather (black synthetic stock) with 1 original 20rd mag & 2-30 round promags and 2-30 round stainless mags and 200 rounds of 223 Remington 55grain FMJ & 80 rounds of Monarch 55grain soft points...

For his Ruger Mini 14 6.8 Rem SPC stainless all weather (has Hogue rubber stock & Choate handguard, also a long M14 flash suppressor) 4-5round Ruger mags, 4-20 round promag & 2-20 round Ruger mags... Also included was 346 rounds of Sierra Matchking ammo with 1 full box Sierra Matchking bullets (for reloading) & almost 1000 rounds of once fired 6.8 SPC brass... Oh and a set of Lee dies in 6.8 Rem SPC

We kept our repective glass/mounts... But did an even trade...
Pics of his gun here (as long as the add stays up)...
http://www.armslist.com/posts/2375843/austin-texas-rifles-for-sale-trade--mini-14-6-8-spc

Considering I am also building an AR15 in the 6.8 Rem SPC caliber the ammo and brass will help with feeding it as well but all in all I think I made a good trade...? I know that 6.8 Rem SPC ammo is not exactly a cheap but is more popular now than just a few short years ago... I looked on Gunbroker.com and the cheapest Mini 14 in this caliber was going for $1300 and only had about 1/2 that in my Mini 14 in 223 so also it is a rather rare rifle in this caliber...

 

[exdeath]

Anyone have a thought on Federal for carry ammo? I'm liking some of the prices I'm seeing but I have no experience with it.

180 gr HST in the USP .40 S&W and 124 gr HST +P in the Keltec PF9 9mm.

 

[rudeguy]

180 gr HST in the USP .40 S&W and 124 gr HST +P in the Keltec PF9 9mm.

I can't find a 50 box of HST anywhere now that I actually want to buy some.

 

[Tiamat]

Or if you don't want to promote ass rape, try here: http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2

Yeah, I meant readily available :-D

There are gun shows twice a month here with similar prices and always in stock ;-)

 

[OCGuy]

I can't find a 50 box of HST anywhere now that I actually want to buy some.

What caliber?