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[rudeguy]

Except, olds posted the 3WINTER free shipping code.....so it's not that horrible a deal, unless you're paying sales tax, and have a hard time doing that.

he posted it because people kept saying they can't find any. Can't you read you blithering moron?


BTW: Love your handle. I think you are my favorite person on the internet today. Have a

 

[Svnla]

So it's $6.99 for a 100 round box + shipping. Yah.. not a good deal at all.

You think?

This is even worse: $6 per 50 rounds box plus shipping. I can't believe PSA jerk up the price that high.


http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/cci-standard-velocity-22-lr-50rds-0035.html

 

[velillen]

You think?

This is even worse: $6 per 50 rounds box plus shipping. I can't believe PSA jerk up the price that high.


http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/cci-standard-velocity-22-lr-50rds-0035.html

ehhh CCI SV has always been a more expensive round. I can get it locally for 4.50 a box plus tax (of 50) at one store but many others sell it for 4.99. So 6 bucks for it isnt really anything i would call super high pricing or anything. I wouldnt pay it but if i did i wouldnt feel ripped off either especially knowing what CCI SV is, an often time much more accurate and consistent round than bulk pack stuff.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Casings shot out of my PTR. Cool effect

 

[phucheneh]

Well, my thoughts on Kahr sights were close, but no cigar. I've having to actually lift the front dot all the way out of the rear sight notch (might as well not be a notch, just a solid bar with vertical line). Am I doing something wrong that I'm missing? Other guns are reinforcing that my aim is just fine, but it may be something in the gun/sight design that is giving me a tendancy to 'look down on' the top of the gun ever-so-slightly, instead of getting it right in my eyeline. This would be a good cantidate for a guide rod laser or something. Maybe I'd try one of the cheap trigger guard ones to try and figure out why I can't get consistent.

I thought this target was humorous. A sheet of round targets is much more useful, but there is a certain 'oh noes I hit the hostage' element that actually gets into your head when you use these. Like, you actually feel kinda bad when shoot them in the head...twice.

Kahr: You'll Only Shoot the Hostage a Little Bit. (tm)

I love the little gun, but it does a good job of illustrating how anything less is just a 'belly gun', as well as how something just a bit bigger can be shot far more accurately with less effort. But that bit of extra size means I can't conceal it at 4 o'clock with just a t-shirt, soooo...

edit: oh, that was at 10m, BTW. So it's not quite as bad as it looks...I like to challenge myself a little. Halve that distance and the Kahr would drill center mass all day long. A bigger 9mm with good sights would be pretty much bullseyeing. I've settled into 7m as my typical mag-dumping/function-checking distance and 10m for judging accuracy. 15-20 is fun with a full-size gun. Embarrassing with a small CC one.

 

[shortylickens]

If you think you're going to be able to empty two magazines on a moving assailant you are sadly mistaken.

You need to nail him with the first couple round or else yur dead and the hostage is in deep trouble.

 

[phucheneh]

If you think you're going to be able to empty two magazines on a moving assailant you are sadly mistaken.

You need to nail him with the first couple round or else yur dead and the hostage is in deep trouble.

I think you're taking the choice of target a bit too seriously, which is odd given my accompanying text?

That's way more than two mags, and was not being done as a 'save the hostage' drill; just target practice.

I wouldn't recommend anyone try and shoot an assailant with a hostage at like 60 feet with anything, let alone a tiny DAO carry gun.

And yeah, I can do math; I know I said 10m/30ft above, but that's like a half-size target, also.

 

[Phanuel]

That still seems like pretty big spread for 10m. I can get a 3" group at 15m with a G19 and I'm a relatively mediocre shot myself.

Are you sure you aren't having a flinch issue? Have you had someone else shoot it yet?

 

[Zargon]

That still seems like pretty big spread for 10m. I can get a 3" group at 15m with a G19 and I'm a relatively mediocre shot myself.

Are you sure you aren't having a flinch issue? Have you had someone else shoot it yet?

a glock 19 has almost a half inch more barrel length (4.02 v 3.6)

the cws have 85% of the barrel length, so it should be harder to shoot

 

[phucheneh]

Heh, I should've known better than to open myself to ATOT scrutiny.

There is some definite flinch with that gun because of the combo of long trigger/small gun/big hands. I believe trigger issues can be blamed for that general trend of down/left and up/right (up/right is from overcorrecting). I can shoot a good bit tighter with a bigger SA-capable gun. No, not like some of the bloated claims I tend to see on the internet ('I shoot two inch groups at 25 yards with open sights!'), but probably an easy 5" group at 10 yards/meters.

On that target, I know I didn't keep a totally consistent point of aim, and was still dicking around with trying to find a sight picture that put me at the right elevation. But I believe the '8' on his chest was generally my focus, other than that line at his neck, which was a mag of attempted headshots. Kept shooting low, then once I somehow pulled one right into the hostage's face, I decided to go back to his chest. Heh.

So excluding those upper shots, that would make...like a 14" group. Damn you ATOT, I'm gonna have to go take a different gun and redeem myself.

 

[rudeguy]

That lady dead.


I shoot much better on fresh targets. If I put that many rounds into one target I lose focus.

 

[desertdweller]

Heh, I should've known better than to open myself to ATOT scrutiny.

There is some definite flinch with that gun because of the combo of long trigger/small gun/big hands. I believe trigger issues can be blamed for that general trend of down/left and up/right (up/right is from overcorrecting). I can shoot a good bit tighter with a bigger SA-capable gun. No, not like some of the bloated claims I tend to see on the internet ('I shoot two inch groups at 25 yards with open sights!'), but probably an easy 5" group at 10 yards/meters.

On that target, I know I didn't keep a totally consistent point of aim, and was still dicking around with trying to find a sight picture that put me at the right elevation. But I believe the '8' on his chest was generally my focus, other than that line at his neck, which was a mag of attempted headshots. Kept shooting low, then once I somehow pulled one right into the hostage's face, I decided to go back to his chest. Heh.

So excluding those upper shots, that would make...like a 14" group. Damn you ATOT, I'm gonna have to go take a different gun and redeem myself.

I had an M&P Pro that did the same thing. I had to raise the dot over the rear sight channel. Called S&W and found the had the installed the wrong sights on it. I just ordered and installed new sights that were correct for the gun.

 

[Phanuel]

a glock 19 has almost a half inch more barrel length (4.02 v 3.6)

the cws have 85% of the barrel length, so it should be harder to shoot

And my M&P 9mm has another 1/2 on my G19 but the barrel on it is known to be complete trash (2009 production) and I can't shoot it tighter than 4-5" and it's all over the place. Midway hasn't had the OEM newer production barrels in stock for me to just swap it out. And I'm still trying to decide if I want to pony up the $200 for a Stormlake or a KKM to see if it improves.

 

[phucheneh]

Well, I decided it would probably be a lot easier to analyze definite five round groups at multiple distances. So I shot 25 rounds at a big five target paper. At 10 and 13 meters things get a little stupid. Vertical deviation is enormous. Think I need new sights.

 

[JackBurton]

And my M&P 9mm has another 1/2 on my G19 but the barrel on it is known to be complete trash (2009 production) and I can't shoot it tighter than 4-5" and it's all over the place. Midway hasn't had the OEM newer production barrels in stock for me to just swap it out. And I'm still trying to decide if I want to pony up the $200 for a Stormlake or a KKM to see if it improves.

Bar-Sto is another option.

 

[phucheneh]

Home now, uploaded photo...

For your LOL'ing pleasure. I LOL'd but also I feel like a worthless human being. I was determined I could put down decent-ish groups with the CW9 but I could not. Those were my last 25 rounds I chose to fire at these five targets so...yeah, this is what I got.

I was extra shaky today...shaking hands are very common if not constant with me. Not in like a 'medical problem' kind of way, but just more of a 'I would not be a good freehand pinstriper at all' kinda deal. When I do any kind of detailed work (e.g. painting) I use lots of bracing to keep a steady[ish] hand. And I shoot AR's in super-tucked commando posture; not because I want to look like a commando, but because I can't shoot for shit while standing unless I have both elbows tucked in to my body.

Anyway, I've been going more hardcore weaver stance (as in, even further from iso and more 'bladed') to keep my weak arm extended less. I could almost have my weak elbow supported, but my dominant would have to bend a bit more than I'd like.

But this actually illustrates a decent amount of control laterally. Being a little shaky usually affects that at least as much as the vertical...clearly there a complete inability to replicate the same sight picture at play here. Time to buy sights.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Do you shoot any other guns with a long, double-action-only trigger?

This happened to me the first time I shot a revolver in DA mode. My shots were dead on horizontally, but there was a good 2-3" between each shot vertically.

 

[Phanuel]

Bar-Sto is another option.

I realize what I wrote might have been a little confusing. My G19 is fine. My M&P 9mm fullsize is garbage. Bar-Sto still doesn't have anything for us. Apex Tactical was working with them but the project has stalled out.

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=159

 

[coxmaster]

I realize what I wrote might have been a little confusing. My G19 is fine. My M&P 9mm fullsize is garbage. Bar-Sto still doesn't have anything for us. Apex Tactical was working with them but the project has stalled out.

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=159

Why don't you just call S&W and have them replace it?

 

[Phanuel]

clearly there a complete inability to replicate the same sight picture at play here. Time to buy sights.

I'd get someone else to shoot it for a bit to see what they thing. Vertical stringing like you have speaks to me of a major flinch response that you'll need to train out with a bunch of dry firing and ball and cap drills.

 

[HumblePie]

Home now, uploaded photo...

For your LOL'ing pleasure. I LOL'd but also I feel like a worthless human being. I was determined I could put down decent-ish groups with the CW9 but I could not. Those were my last 25 rounds I chose to fire at these five targets so...yeah, this is what I got.

I was extra shaky today...shaking hands are very common if not constant with me. Not in like a 'medical problem' kind of way, but just more of a 'I would not be a good freehand pinstriper at all' kinda deal. When I do any kind of detailed work (e.g. painting) I use lots of bracing to keep a steady[ish] hand. And I shoot AR's in super-tucked commando posture; not because I want to look like a commando, but because I can't shoot for shit while standing unless I have both elbows tucked in to my body.

Anyway, I've been going more hardcore weaver stance (as in, even further from iso and more 'bladed') to keep my weak arm extended less. I could almost have my weak elbow supported, but my dominant would have to bend a bit more than I'd like.

But this actually illustrates a decent amount of control laterally. Being a little shaky usually affects that at least as much as the vertical...clearly there a complete inability to replicate the same sight picture at play here. Time to buy sights.

Looks like over anticipating the squeeze. You are jerking up or baring down on your shots. At least that what those look like to me. Either the recoil you are flinching from, or the actual squeeze by you finger is not smooth and even. Or both.

 

[Phanuel]

Why don't you just call S&W and have them replace it?

Because the firearm is functional. They won't replace it. "Unreasonable accuracy" is not a valid warranty issue.

 

[HumblePie]

Because the firearm is functional. They won't replace it. "Unreasonable accuracy" is not a valid warranty issue.

Uhh that's how I got Ruger to replace my SR22.

It was shooting massively off to the left every shot. I called Ruger, they had me send it in. They swapped out the slide and barrel stating there was damage to them. This was a brand new gun from the store too. Replacement came back shooting dead on.

 

[phucheneh]

Maybe my issue is trigger pull. I know i can shoot technically superior groups during much more rapid fire- bigger across but at least making a loose circle. Slowly moving that long, smooth trigger to break may just be causing a new issue. Not a reactionary flinch, but just something that makes me bob down almost imperceptibly at the break. Maybe more just a grip problem, even.

The aspect of seperation is what I'm trying to figure out...definitely making two distinct groups rather than just a line.

 

[desertdweller]

Because the firearm is functional. They won't replace it. "Unreasonable accuracy" is not a valid warranty issue.

KKM or Storm Lake make barrels for M&P. I have not tried either one, mine works well enough. But, I have heard good things about the Storm Lake barrels from people who use them.