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[IEC]

Non issue on semi auto guns.

Original design is built to withstand sustained full auto fire and civilian semi auto versions are identical in terms of construction materials, clearances, and parts mass.

The only issue is abuse like repeated mag dumps and dry weapon and dirty ammo will coke the carbon on and make it harder to clean. Keep it wet (well oiled). And how hot you get it depends on how hard you want to scrub when you get home.

Mag dumps will kill your barrel faster than the BCG, and it's actually more likely the gas tube will melt before anything else rendering the weapon a single-shot "bolt" action. Even repeated full auto or close to full auto firing won't immediately kill it though.

I've fired 600+ 50/50 tracer/ball rounds in a matter of maybe 10-15 minutes before (3.5lb Geissele helps...), then proceeded to shoot another 1400+ rounds through it in the space of an hour or two. My beat-em-up upper survived intact and still shoots about 3.5 moa at 200m. Which is plenty for repeatedly hitting steel targets as fast as I can pull the trigger.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Mag dumps will kill your barrel faster than the BCG, and it's actually more likely the gas tube will melt before anything else rendering the weapon a single-shot "bolt" action. Even repeated full auto or close to full auto firing won't immediately kill it though.

I've fired 600+ 50/50 tracer/ball rounds in a matter of maybe 10-15 minutes before (3.5lb Geissele helps...), then proceeded to shoot another 1400+ rounds through it in the space of an hour or two. My beat-em-up upper survived intact and still shoots about 3.5 moa at 200m. Which is plenty for repeatedly hitting steel targets as fast as I can pull the trigger.

Usually the BCG is made of steel, and the upper/lower sections in contact with the BCG are aluminum. The BCG should be the last thing to go.

 

[IEC]

Usually the BCG is made of steel, and the upper/lower sections in contact with the BCG are aluminum. The BCG should be the last thing to go.

Extractor can and does break with extended wear or abuse. Ask me how I know...

 

[RampantAndroid]

Extractor can and does break with extended wear or abuse. Ask me how I know...

Sure, and the bolt will also wear since it's locking against the steel chamber. The carrier itself and the part that catches gas however shouldn't be subject to any excessive wear.

 

[boomhower]

The only place with a gunsmith on hand is way overpriced on sights. The Truglo sights were $150 plus $45 to install. That's why I held off.

Well that's just insane. You can send your slide to Glock themselves and they will install a set for $57 with a 15 year warranty. Shipping on a slide isn't going to be expensive, less than $10 for one of those flat rate boxes at the post office.

 

[rudeguy]

Well that's just insane. You can send your slide to Glock themselves and they will install a set for $57 with a 15 year warranty. Shipping on a slide isn't going to be expensive, less than $10 for one of those flat rate boxes at the post office.

its just a time thing

I just paid the $20 for new plastic for my Alien Gear since its been sitting here waiting for me to ship it out for them to swap.

Ordered these. I'm sure they will do fine
http://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlo-Ameri...=AJXUKDD490V61

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Mag dumps will kill your barrel faster than the BCG, and it's actually more likely the gas tube will melt before anything else rendering the weapon a single-shot "bolt" action. Even repeated full auto or close to full auto firing won't immediately kill it though.

I've fired 600+ 50/50 tracer/ball rounds in a matter of maybe 10-15 minutes before (3.5lb Geissele helps...), then proceeded to shoot another 1400+ rounds through it in the space of an hour or two. My beat-em-up upper survived intact and still shoots about 3.5 moa at 200m. Which is plenty for repeatedly hitting steel targets as fast as I can pull the trigger.

Yup. Idiotic test below, but it shows what happens when you shoot a lot of ammo very fast: http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

Nothing good results from getting the barrel to not "exceed" 750*F . That's in the range of tempering steel. Also did nothing to prove Brase case vs steel case (where steel case has bimetal jackets).

Which caused the barrel to wear a TAD bit more on the steel case? Was it the fact that they heated the barrel up enough to possibly make the steel soft enough to wear faster, or was it because the bimetal jacket wore the barrel more because it had steel in the material, or was it both?

I hate AR15s

 

[Nebor]

Well, there's also a reason the original M60 failed: no easy way to change the barrel. You CAN sustain fire in machine guns, you just need to swap barrels after 4-500 rounds.

DI ARs fail because the gas tube eventually goes. That's why at the end you see them manually pulling the charging handle for every shot. There's a reason the german machine guns were so good, they didn't rely on gas to cycle so much, there were recoil operated; as such only the barrel would really heat up. You'd swap barrels with an asbestos glove, let the old barrel cool off and use it again later as long as it didn't warp.

The reason you fire an MG in a burst is for accuracy & ammo conservation reasons, not for durability or heat reasons so much.

Firing any of the currently issued US Army machine guns at the cyclic rate calls for barrel changes every minute, according to their respective FMs. My personal experience (I've run over a hundred machine gun familiarization & qualification ranges) tells me that firing 500 rounds at a cyclic rate is begging for a catastrophic failure from any machine gun. After firing approximately 700 rounds at cyclic rate (trying to destroy a bad barrel) I've observed an M240B barrel become white hot and the tracer rounds being fired from it moving forward up to 25 degrees off the horizontal point of aim.

So heat is a big factor in determining the cyclic, rapid and sustained rates of fire. See phucheneh's post for confirmation.

 

[rudeguy]

Ahhh much better

Don't mind the flyer. Had some brass bounce back and it threw me off.

I love Glocks so much. Put 100 rounds of the cheapest stuff I could through it in a half hour. Couple full mag dumps, most 5 round bursts at varying distances. Shoots just a bit low but I can manage that.

 

[shortylickens]

Did you buys those off Amazon like I told you?

 

[corwin]

Did you buys those off Amazon like I told you?

Buys?

 

[Phanuel]

I like my 19 except for the ejection being 30% brass to face and that horrible ridged trigger. Thankfully the trigger is an easy fix, and hopefully the newer ejector can fix the first one. Will find out tomorrow when I put it all together and hit the range.

 

[phucheneh]

Rearward ejection is usually a positive most of the time. Especially at indoor ranges. Assuming it's got enough height on it...I like a gun that keeps anyone to the back of you on their toes. :awe:

The fancy range that I like to shoot at has one drawback- plexiglass dividers. Others are metal or simply brick, with some outdoor carpeting, or some of that spray-on soundproofing stuff. Something with a little give.

You can guess that the more sideways-ejecting guns like to ricochet brass off the plex and right at your head or down your shirt. D:

 

[shortylickens]

Buys?

I was gonna throw a yous in there too's.

 

[rudeguy]

I like my 19 except for the ejection being 30% brass to face and that horrible ridged trigger. Thankfully the trigger is an easy fix, and hopefully the newer ejector can fix the first one. Will find out tomorrow when I put it all together and hit the range.

new ejector?

That is my only complaint. I love Glock triggers and wouldn't want to mess with that. But if I can fix the brass flying at my forehead, that would be awesome.

 

[rudeguy]

Did you buys those off Amazon like I told you?

not that one. That's one of the $5 ones from the range that goes to Wounded Warrior. I don't mind that.

I did buy these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I want to make sure I can safely take out zombie attackers without killing too many innocents.

 

[rudeguy]

Rearward ejection is usually a positive most of the time. Especially at indoor ranges. Assuming it's got enough height on it...I like a gun that keeps anyone to the back of you on their toes. :awe:

The fancy range that I like to shoot at has one drawback- plexiglass dividers. Others are metal or simply brick, with some outdoor carpeting, or some of that spray-on soundproofing stuff. Something with a little give.

You can guess that the more sideways-ejecting guns like to ricochet brass off the plex and right at your head or down your shirt. D:

This is the range I shoot at:

You can see where there is enough clearance above the dividers that brass can go wherever it wants. Everyone there has fun with it.

Its also busy enough that they keep a couple big floor squeegees on hand to clean up the brass. In the half hour I was there today, we had to "sweep" twice. I guess I wasn't the only one with some pent up anger to release :biggrin:

 

[x-alki]

This is the range I shoot at:

You can see where there is enough clearance above the dividers that brass can go wherever it wants. Everyone there has fun with it.

Its also busy enough that they keep a couple big floor squeegees on hand to clean up the brass. In the half hour I was there today, we had to "sweep" twice. I guess I wasn't the only one with some pent up anger to release :biggrin:

Here's the range I shoot at and I don't care where the brass goes We've made the back stop wider and taller since this picture was taken. It's great to able to walk at the back door and shoot.

 

[pontifex]

This is the range I shoot at:

You can see where there is enough clearance above the dividers that brass can go wherever it wants. Everyone there has fun with it.

Its also busy enough that they keep a couple big floor squeegees on hand to clean up the brass. In the half hour I was there today, we had to "sweep" twice. I guess I wasn't the only one with some pent up anger to release :biggrin:

I don't get why targets are so expensive? I know those targets are printed with "pretty" pictures but to charge 2 a piece for paper is fucking ridiculous. I like the shoot-n-see targets and they are usually just black and orange and they are expensive too.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Bought a set of grips from High Figure Grips for my P938. Wow, these things are gorgeous. I absolutely recommend them.

Now I just need to wait for the skeletonized trigger to come in, and for the Hogue aluminum MSH to come back in stock.

 

[rudeguy]

I don't get why targets are so expensive? I know those targets are printed with "pretty" pictures but to charge 2 a piece for paper is fucking ridiculous. I like the shoot-n-see targets and they are usually just black and orange and they are expensive too.

The ones I bought are splatter or color changing.

Mostly just for fun. I don't mind paying a couple bucks to have some fun with zombies.

 

[rudeguy]

Here's the range I shoot at and I don't care where the brass goes We've made the back stop wider and taller since this picture was taken. It's great to able to walk at the back door and shoot.

I'm so jealous.

My place in Arizona will be like that.

 

[Kelvrick]

I don't get why targets are so expensive? I know those targets are printed with "pretty" pictures but to charge 2 a piece for paper is fucking ridiculous. I like the shoot-n-see targets and they are usually just black and orange and they are expensive too.

You can't bring your own targets at your range? I usually order a bunch from letargets.com (like 29 cents each for the standards). Then I start taping up my own printed targets.

 

[rudeguy]

You can't bring your own targets at your range? I usually order a bunch from letargets.com (like 29 cents each for the standards). Then I start taping up my own printed targets.

Mine you can.

They also give you as many cheap paper targets as you want for free.

 

[Zargon]