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corwin

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I'd think again. I've had more failures with factory ammo than with reloads. Have had factory ammo with light charges, had em where the bullet just falls out, and had them just plain not chamber. All from the cheap wwb type stuff. Never had an issue with self defense type ammo. Reload wise only issue I've had was a bad batch of primers that wouldn't fire at all.
That's why I said "probably" The only factory ammo I've ever had a problem with was some old (1970's production) 9mm I bought once, most rounds wouldn't fire at all and the few that did wouldn't cycle the action. I returned that crap and won't make the same mistake again.
Worst kaboom I saw was a friend with a 223 ar. Had his 300blk out with him and had mags of both in black pmags on the bench. Grabbed a pmag loaded with 300blk and loaded the 223 ar. Dropped the bolt, pulled the trigger and well 30cal bullet won't ft in a 224 chamber. Surprisingly it only damage the upper itself and the barrel. Everything else was fine. He was fine too. Gunsmith said what probably happened is the bcg had enough pressure to go back which let most of the gases escape. Whether true or not I have no idea.
And that is the general cause of reload problems as well, just not paying attention 100% of the time...all it takes is a little mistake once and BANG! Glad your friend wasn't hurt though, that could have ended very badly
 

alkemyst

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This is one of the reasons why many ranges forbid reloads. Dumbasses can't even assemble a gun properly half the time, yet alone reload casings properly.

Too much of if a little is great, much more is going to be EPIC!

Not to mention idiots that drop their handgun the first time they fire it.
 

OCGuy

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Never seen a range that didn't sell reloads......and once you allow 2nd-spin brass, I don't know how you would differentiate between them.
 

BlitzPuppet

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This is one of the reasons why many ranges forbid reloads. Dumbasses can't even assemble a gun properly half the time, yet alone reload casings properly.

Too much of if a little is great, much more is going to be EPIC!

Not to mention idiots that drop their handgun the first time they fire it.

What about idiots squibbing a load and thinking "bad primer!" and racking another round only to have the rifle explode in their face...

Kinda like this guy...what a tool though it doesn't look like a squib but some people are so careless it doesn't even matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWygoxV_ApM
 
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alkemyst

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Never seen a range that didn't sell reloads......and once you allow 2nd-spin brass, I don't know how you would differentiate between them.

To be more specific, bringing your own reloads.

Some ranges prohibit any ammo being brought in. They price very fairly though and always seem to have at least standard ammo in stock (they also limit purchasing to 2 boxes at a time).
 

HumblePie

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For me it wasn't too hard of a choice, ballistic advantage of 9mm over .380 along with price of ammo made it easy The size difference is the only advantage I can see in the 238 and it's a very small one...

I've seen most of those before, wish I had the time to reload but I don't so it's all factory ammo for me, so I'm probably safe

Well, ball .380 ammo works just fine for penetration. Most of the JHP .380 sucks though. 9mm has enough energy that JHP is a nice defensive round. But then again it has more kick. The .380 for size and felt recoil made makes enough sense to get over the 938 for my wife. I picked up the 238 for myself to match hers The 9mm recoil in the 938 wouldn't matter as much to me, but since I'm already buying .380 ammo for her it didn't matter as much which I got for myself.

Still I wouldn't mind the 938 for myself as well as still keeping the 238. Just got to get one that looks different so I don't get them mixed up.
 

alkemyst

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What about idiots squibbing a load and thinking "bad primer!" and racking another round only to have the rifle explode in their face...

Kinda like this guy...what a tool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWygoxV_ApM

yeah. I try to avoid being in a lane next to anyone.

One time some lady was taking camera pics with her gun in her hand, cocked and finger on the trigger while walking around taking different shots and angles INSIDE the range. Plus she brought like an entire family to all watch.

I had to go and complain. She also was the one that ended up dropping the gun when she shot it the first time. They 'chaperoned' her following all this.
 

BlitzPuppet

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yeah. I try to avoid being in a lane next to anyone.

One time some lady was taking camera pics with her gun in her hand, cocked and finger on the trigger while walking around taking different shots and angles INSIDE the range. Plus she brought like an entire family to all watch.

I had to go and complain. She also was the one that ended up dropping the gun when she shot it the first time. They 'chaperoned' her following all this.

Anytime a group of 4+ come in to share/shoot one gun is when things get dangerous. They're usually all to preoccupied with showing off to each other to even bother being safe.

I've had to leave because a group of 8 early twenties "kids" were sharing one AR. They'd couldn't even shoot at their own target...were hitting someone else's each time.

The other time I left was with a bunch of gangbangers sweeping the pistol range and shooting their pistol sideways "gangsta style". Sucks when you're surrounded by idiots.
 

corwin

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Well, ball .380 ammo works just fine for penetration. Most of the JHP .380 sucks though. 9mm has enough energy that JHP is a nice defensive round. But then again it has more kick. The .380 for size and felt recoil made makes enough sense to get over the 938 for my wife. I picked up the 238 for myself to match hers The 9mm recoil in the 938 wouldn't matter as much to me, but since I'm already buying .380 ammo for her it didn't matter as much which I got for myself.

Still I wouldn't mind the 938 for myself as well as still keeping the 238. Just got to get one that looks different so I don't get them mixed up.

I've fired a 238 before and from my memory of it the 938 actually had less felt recoil with standard loads, those +P's are another thing, but that could just be the result of a faulty memory But buying ammo for hers or not the cost is still higher, not to mention that I can find 9mm a lot easier than .380, I can't remember the last time I saw any locally but I haven't had problems getting 9mm for months...hoping to get my wife out with it soon and borrow a friends 238 so she can decide which one she wants, I still think the 938 should win but you never know with women:\
 

Nebor

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.380 is hard to find, overpriced and underperforming. That's why I rolled my eyes at the huge advertising push accompanying the new Glock 42.
 

velillen

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That's why I said "probably" The only factory ammo I've ever had a problem with was some old (1970's production) 9mm I bought once, most rounds wouldn't fire at all and the few that did wouldn't cycle the action. I returned that crap and won't make the same mistake again.
And that is the general cause of reload problems as well, just not paying attention 100% of the time...all it takes is a little mistake once and BANG! Glad your friend wasn't hurt though, that could have ended very badly

Yeah luckily hos wasn't due to a reload. It was just being bad with his ammo. Having two identical mags with different ammo and not paying attention.

That's why its one ammo type on the table at a time
 

alkemyst

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.380 is hard to find, overpriced and underperforming. That's why I rolled my eyes at the huge advertising push accompanying the new Glock 42.

.380 is a great daily carry caliber for concealed carry.

It's hard to find due to contracts out there to fill large orders for it.

I am a bigger guy so 9mm and larger makes sense for me.
 

HumblePie

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.380 is hard to find, overpriced and underperforming. That's why I rolled my eyes at the huge advertising push accompanying the new Glock 42.

I have a bunch of .380 and can walk into any Academy store here and buy a crap ton. So for me there isn't an issue of getting any. Although I picked up a 2000 rounds of some .380 armscor which is absolute crap for .380 rounds. Man that stuff sucks bad.

Anyhow, it's only $17 a box now for .380 for the Academy monarch branded stuff.

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/mon...id-153417?N=813859367&Ntt=380+monarch&Ntk=All

I've gone through a few thousand rounds of that stuff without a hitch. Hell I was buying it last year at $15 a box. Which is more expensive than 9mm, but not by a whole heck.

115 gr 9mm monarch is $13 a box and 124 gr is $16 a box there. Which is still the cheapest price for ammo anywhere around here including wally world.

An when comparing reloading prices, .380 is actually a bit cheaper last time I checked. Not that I reload any.

As far as under-performing... yah the JHP .380 rounds mostly suck. The ball ammo works just as well as 9mm ball though. It will penetrate 16+ inches. Of course some are saying this all copper round for a hollow point .380 does do the job.

http://www.corbon.com/corboncart/corbon/dpx/dpx38080-20
 

marvdmartian

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Very nice!

Would it be rude to ask how much you invested dollar wise?

Not at all!
Stripped blemished lower receiver, from PSA = $72 (including $5 transfer fee)
Complete upper receiver assembly, from PSA = $425 (including shipping)
Rock River Arms Lower Parts Kit, from JoeBobOutfitters = $40 (free shipping)
Rock River Arms 2-stage trigger, from JoeBobOutfitters = $100 (free shipping)
Stock kit (Magpul MOE carbine stock, in FDE, with Mil-Spec buffer tube, buffer, buffer spring, etc), from Palmetto State Armory = $80 (shipped free)
Magpul Grip+ system, with insert, from Amazon = $30

The Magpul MS3 sling ran me $48, so grand total, without the optics, was under $750. The Mil-Spec BUIS was off of eBay, think I paid ~$30 for it. The EO Tech 512.A65 sight was from Dvor.com, believe it was $385, but it came with a $40 credit.

I love the optic, but I've never been a fan of the MOE hand guard. However, I also love FDE, so you still win.
Well, the hand guard came as part of the upper receiver assembly, and I knew I wanted to go with FDE, so it was a win-win. The only complaint I have about it is that it tends to be "fat", and the EO Tech sight can't really ride any further forward on the rail. Luckily, there was still room for the BUIS behind it, so I'm good to go.
 
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Nebor

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One of my father's friends got shot 3 times in the back with a .380 by his ex-wife in the 90s (he was in the process of taking his stuff out of the house and leaving her.) He said it felt like someone hit him in the back with a 2x4 3 times, and he fell down. He got in his car and drove to the hospital without issue. His heavy winter clothes all but stopped all three rounds of .380 JHP. No life threatening injuries.

I'm not saying a .380 is worse than nothing. It's just substantially worse than a 9mm in exchange for a marginally smaller firearm.
 

alkemyst

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One of my father's friends got shot 3 times in the back with a .380 by his ex-wife in the 90s (he was in the process of taking his stuff out of the house and leaving her.) He said it felt like someone hit him in the back with a 2x4 3 times, and he fell down. He got in his car and drove to the hospital without issue. His heavy winter clothes all but stopped all three rounds of .380 JHP. No life threatening injuries.

I'm not saying a .380 is worse than nothing. It's just substantially worse than a 9mm in exchange for a marginally smaller firearm.

One should take stories about someone'sr exes with a grain of salt.
 

Bird222

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How can a round actually like lock the trigger and keep the gun from firing? I had a round that didn't fire. So after 10 seconds or so I ejected it. I looked at it and there was no indentation on the primer. The rest of the rounds fired fine. What could cause this? Gun is a Sig P226.
 

BladeVenom

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He's doing better than a lot of people on here.

No paw on the trigger :awe:

Cats seem to do well when it comes to gun safety. Dogs on the other hand..., seems like every other year I read a story about a man getting shot by his hunting dog. Someone sets their shotgun down, and the dog steps on the trigger.
 

RampantAndroid

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How can a round actually like lock the trigger and keep the gun from firing? I had a round that didn't fire. So after 10 seconds or so I ejected it. I looked at it and there was no indentation on the primer. The rest of the rounds fired fine. What could cause this? Gun is a Sig P226.

If the trigger wouldn't pull, the round was likely too long and didn't let the gun go into battery. Is is the same size as rounds that fired OK?
 

corwin

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Yes. Winchester 9mm in a white box from Wal-Mart.

Sounds like the gun just didn't return to battery, could be many reasons, previous round could have been underpowered and the slide just didn't have the momentum
 

Bird222

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Sounds like the gun just didn't return to battery, could be many reasons, previous round could have been underpowered and the slide just didn't have the momentum

Well I actually put it back in and it still wouldn't fire so I just ejected it and didn't try it again but the rest of the session went fine. So it was something up with that round.
 
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