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[Pia]

Huh? How is it more tactically sound? I mean, first off, you start with a round chambered condition 1. Right? You then unsafe the gun and fire until empty. If the gun fails to return to battery, you clear the gun and rack the slide. Your hand has no business being up by the muzzle. When you insert a new mag, you either pull back on the slide from the back, or hit the slide release.

Full palm grip on the slide = gross motor movement, generally more reliable than pinch grip from the back which is a fine motor movement. The palm grip is also not dependent on having pinch strength and remains reliable when your hands are wet, numb from cold, or covered by gloves (not all of which have good friction). Furthermore, racking with a full palm grip close to your body is easy to do in most situations and body positions - crouching close to cover, lying on the ground, etc. - and having the gun close means it's much harder to grab, slap or turn away. Clearing many malfunctions fast (or at all) also requires palm gripping because pinch grip doesn't allow the use of that much strength.

I might ask, when is pinch grip ever the better choice? Unless you are in competition and are finding that it gains you a fraction of a second, or something.

 

[alkemyst]

yeah, people are over complicating guns.

I really question if some here really own the guns they do.

 

[Merad]

If anyone is looking for ammo...

 

[etrigan420]

Wow...so happy that WA's laws are much more relaxed:
If going to range, handgun can be loaded regardless of whether you hold a CPL. Rifles always unloaded. No locks required.

That's not true according to this...

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050

Our state laws *are* pretty good though...

 

[RampantAndroid]

That's not true according to this...

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050

Our state laws *are* pretty good though...

Check out the next section, 060 (Exemptions from 050):

050 does not apply to:

(5) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive pistols from the United States or from this state;

(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;

Full palm grip on the slide = gross motor movement, generally more reliable than pinch grip from the back which is a fine motor movement. The palm grip is also not dependent on having pinch strength and remains reliable when your hands are wet, numb from cold, or covered by gloves (not all of which have good friction). Furthermore, racking with a full palm grip close to your body is easy to do in most situations and body positions - crouching close to cover, lying on the ground, etc. - and having the gun close means it's much harder to grab, slap or turn away. Clearing many malfunctions fast (or at all) also requires palm gripping because pinch grip doesn't allow the use of that much strength.

I might ask, when is pinch grip ever the better choice? Unless you are in competition and are finding that it gains you a fraction of a second, or something.

I'm not telling you to do a pinch grip. I would never say to do the pinch grip, ever. I would say not to, just like I say not to use the front of the slide to rack the slide - both are very very poor form. I tell people to do what this video shows at 1:20

Your hand remains at the rear of the gun. I don't understand how in your description you've got your hand on both the front and back serrations.

The reason you stay at the rear is both to keep your hand free once you let go, as well as safety in case you get a slam fire, you want your hand clear. Front serrations are only meant for a press check, and I again state a press check is easy without the serrations present, even on a blued/polished wet gun.

 

[shortylickens]

Sold a couple guns I didnt want any more and finally bought a 1911.

Got it used cheaper than a new Ruger 1911, and it came with 3 magazines, leather magazine pouch, fancy adjustable CQC belt holster. Had nice hard rubber grips in the classic dual diamond pattern, and tritium sites. Guy who had it before me kept it in immaculate condition. Have no idea why he let it go so cheap. Salesman claimed he just didnt shoot it any more.

Only downside is its single stack, but those are easier to find accessories for anyway.

 

[shortylickens]

Oh, and my fucking gun range was closed today for maintenance and of course everything is closed tomorrow. Wont shoot it until probably the weekend, then if I like it I gotta go back and get Speers & a bore snake and other junk.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Oh, and my fucking gun range was closed today for maintenance and of course everything is closed tomorrow. Wont shoot it until probably the weekend, then if I like it I gotta go back and get Speers & a bore snake and other junk.

Do you find bore snakes do enough? I always found them insufficient for getting a good clean bore, and revert to a good old rod & brush.

Also, there IS a double stack 1911 out there (Norinco, I think) but it has serious reliability issues; if you want a 1911 in double stack, you want the Browning Hi Pow.

 

[Kelvrick]

Do you find bore snakes do enough? I always found them insufficient for getting a good clean bore, and revert to a good old rod & brush.

Also, there IS a double stack 1911 out there (Norinco, I think) but it has serious reliability issues; if you want a 1911 in double stack, you want the Browning Hi Pow.

Or pay for an STI 2011. Para available for cheaper.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Or pay for an STI 2011. Para available for cheaper.

My issue is basically that I find huge modifications of the 1911 platform usually end in tears, either because of cost, or reliability. I'm very much a fan of keeping things as they were designed to be, and are proven to work. Also, I think this circles back to my thoughts on 8 rounds of .45 in a compact 1911 (or 9 in a non-compact) should easily be enough. Anyone saying they need more in a defense situation must be in Mogadishu or Falluja or something.

 

[Kelvrick]

My issue is basically that I find huge modifications of the 1911 platform usually end in tears, either because of cost, or reliability. I'm very much a fan of keeping things as they were designed to be, and are proven to work. Also, I think this circles back to my thoughts on 8 rounds of .45 in a compact 1911 (or 9 in a non-compact) should easily be enough. Anyone saying they need more in a defense situation must be in Mogadishu or Falluja or something.

You won't think that way when there is a bath salt/zombie epidemic!

I only carry 6+1 in my kahr, but sometimes you want something that isn't quite practical. Otherwise, why would I have multple 9mm 1911's, a desert eagle or a 9mm ar?

 

[RampantAndroid]

You won't think that way when there is a bath salt/zombie epidemic!

I only carry 6+1 in my kahr, but sometimes you want something that isn't quite practical. Otherwise, why would I have multple 9mm 1911's, a desert eagle or a 9mm ar?

There's a reason I own a model 29, other than that it looks beautiful

 

[shortylickens]

My issue is basically that I find huge modifications of the 1911 platform usually end in tears, either because of cost, or reliability. I'm very much a fan of keeping things as they were designed to be, and are proven to work. Also, I think this circles back to my thoughts on 8 rounds of .45 in a compact 1911 (or 9 in a non-compact) should easily be enough. Anyone saying they need more in a defense situation must be in Mogadishu or Falluja or something.

The Ruger 1911 is true to form.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/robert-farago/gun-review-ruger-sr1911/

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR1911.htm

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/the-ruger-sr1911-review/

 

[Merad]

http://www.surplusammo.com/9mm-124-grain-fmj-sellier-bellot-50-rounds/

9mm 124 Grain FMJ Sellier & Bellot $9.99 per box of 50, $199.99 per 1000 rd case. Probably about the cheapest you'll find factory new ammo.

(I know we have a hot deals section, but I figure most of the gun people are looking at this thread)

 

[velillen]

http://www.surplusammo.com/9mm-124-grain-fmj-sellier-bellot-50-rounds/

9mm 124 Grain FMJ Sellier & Bellot $9.99 per box of 50, $199.99 per 1000 rd case. Probably about the cheapest you'll find factory new ammo.

(I know we have a hot deals section, but I figure most of the gun people are looking at this thread)

Wouldnt really call that a hot deal. SurplusAmmo has quite a few brands right at the 200-210 range for 9mm. Unless you are talking just cause its 124gr then i could see it. I know i got my PMC 115gr for 190 ~8 months back from there (plus sales tax though)



Did pick up a new toy today. Got myself the Sig Mosquito. Got to put 100 rounds of cci mini mags through it and only had one FTF which was the round not the gun (guy next to me tried it in his ruger and it FTF as well)

Heres a pic of it next to its big brother the 226. (its bottom with the threaded barrel) Only thing im not liking on it is it has a long ass trigger pull. Way longer than the 226 and my 19-3. But still fun to shoot

Also ordered a M&P Shield in 40 for my dads 60th birthday! Expensive day for me lol.

And gotta say Federal Way Discount Guns (for us WA people) had by far the best prices on either of those guns. The Sig was ~40 bucks cheaper than other places (surplus ammo, bulleyes) and the Shield was almost 60 bucks cheaper than SurplusAmmo (only place i priced it at)

 

[RampantAndroid]

The Ruger 1911 is true to form.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/robert-farago/gun-review-ruger-sr1911/

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR1911.htm

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/the-ruger-sr1911-review/

Yup - I was referring to the double stack 1911s out there.

 

[glenn1]

And gotta say Federal Way Discount Guns (for us WA people) had by far the best prices on either of those guns. The Sig was ~40 bucks cheaper than other places (surplus ammo, bulleyes) and the Shield was almost 60 bucks cheaper than SurplusAmmo (only place i priced it at)

Nice gift to yourself - just bought myself a .22 also this week, in my case the Ruger SR22. Mind if I ask what the final price was on the Mosquito? Got mine on sale for $288 and couldn't be happier.

 

[velillen]

Nice gift to yourself - just bought myself a .22 also this week, in my case the Ruger SR22. Mind if I ask what the final price was on the Mosquito? Got mine on sale for $288 and couldn't be happier.

It was $345 pretax. And ~385 total with tax (and 7 bucks for the cci mini mags added in). It is the threaded barrel version (think they call it the Tactical version) so a bit more. They had the non threaded standard version for i believe it was 310 (or 320?) ish. The ruger MKIII with threaded barrel was $300 so coulda saved a bit but my friend has one so i can always shoot his....and ive kinda turned into a sig guy. They just fit my hands and feel great.

I did look at the SR22. Looked great and heard it shoots good too. But it doesnt (or didnt that i could find) have a threaded barrel available.

Next purchase (in 7 months when i get back to WA) is going to be a Sig 522


and buy the way....screw you right handed people >.< Its a pain in the ass finding a holster for my 226 since im lefthanded. Way more choices when your right handed lol

 

[ManBearPig]

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[RampantAndroid]

^^nice gun, hear its great (mosquito)! Congrats.

I've shot like 100-150 rounds through the SR22, it was a pretty fun little gun! Grats to you also.

SO...what's your opinion about the CZ 75B vs the Sig P226? Totally dunno what to choose.

Some people love sig, some hate them. Handle both, see what you can afford and like the feel of.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont know anybody thats used a Sig and hates it.
I do know plenty of people that think they're hideously overpriced.

 

[Merad]

The P226 is a great gun. I've never shot a CZ75. Just bear in mind, that if you are still set on a stainless gun, the P226 stainless is $$pricey$$. You can probably still find new "plain" stainless P226s for $900 or so, but I think the "stainless elite" that they make now runs like $1100-1200.

Unless you just have a lot of money to spare I'd have a hard time justifying spending that much on your first handgun...

 

[velillen]

SO...what's your opinion about the CZ 75B vs the Sig P226? Totally dunno what to choose.

MY OPINION, id get the sig. It just feels the best out of any gun ive handled so far. Its not my most accurate gun but still the feel and trigger pull are what have me sold on it. I just love it.

But that is just me. Other people enjoy the cz-75 better since its cheaper and is comfortable to many people.

Nobody can tell you what gun to get. You have to just go hold them and if possible actually shoot them and see which you like better. Some you can just hold and know its not for you (me and glocks....dont like the feel of them) and others you wont know till you give them a try (me and an XD just did not get along at all...but it felt good in my hands). Thats my real recommendation.


o and asking which is better in the gun world is the same as asking it on which is better nvidia or ati....theres always tons of fanboys for each brand



And on accuracy....im not a great shot, but im not terrible either. Can group 10 rounds of out of the 226 and 10 rounds out of the new mosquito in around a 4" grouping at 10 yards. which i consider decent for a casual shooter ( only go once a month on average). But then i pull out the S&W 19-3 357mag and at the same distance i can put all 6 shots in a 2" grouping (can even put 12 if i reload ). Just seems weird i can shoot the 357mag better than the less recoil guns. Guess me and that 19-3 just have a great understanding of each other....and i hate its sights too! lol

 

[ManBearPig]

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[glenn1]

Noticed that. It'd be between stainless cz and regular sig. The sig elite or whatever that I really want is $1200. Yikes. Appreciate the personal experience info guys.

IMHO, if you really want the P226 Elite you should get it. But it's probably safer to get the CZ75 now, shoot it for a while, then trade it in and use the proceeds toward the Elite six months to a year down the road if you still have the itch for it. Heck, after shooting the CZ for a while you might decide you love shooting and the Elite isn't good enough and you'd rather go all out and drop two grand on a P226 X-5 or Hammerli.