YAGT: OMG I love guns

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HumblePie

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You also have to factor in that the longer the barrel the more of a chance the round has to get to it's maximum speed. Speed usually = distance

That's why I said up until 200 yards, loss of velocity in a pistol caliber isn't going to affect accuracy.

A longer barrel allows for more acceleration due to gas pressure to have a longer time to exert more force on the bullet. But all that does is allow a bullet to travel father before lack of velocity starts to hamper accuracy. Unless you are talking very light bullets like a .22s. In those case the shockwave from breaking the sound barrier can catch up to the bullet once it slows down and can throw the bullet into a tumble. Which the tumble would affect accuracy. But that would only be for light caliber rounds fired from very short barrels. Otherwise a .22 is capable of reaching over a mile in distance for trajectory under perfect conditions.
 

dabuddha

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ugh I can't decide. Get a gun cabinet or a safe. The $500+ price for the safes is what's stopping me when I can get a cabinet for $140ish. I guess my main concern is keeping my kids away from my guns. I think my homeowner's insurance covers my guns (will be calling tomorrow to confirm).
Thoughts?
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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ugh I can't decide. Get a gun cabinet or a safe. The $500+ price for the safes is what's stopping me when I can get a cabinet for $140ish. I guess my main concern is keeping my kids away from my guns. I think my homeowner's insurance covers my guns (will be calling tomorrow to confirm).
Thoughts?

Safe. It will last longer than you will and there is no dollar amount you can put on safety.
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
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ugh I can't decide. Get a gun cabinet or a safe. The $500+ price for the safes is what's stopping me when I can get a cabinet for $140ish. I guess my main concern is keeping my kids away from my guns. I think my homeowner's insurance covers my guns (will be calling tomorrow to confirm).
Thoughts?

If your sole concern is limiting access to people who wouldn't take extraordinary measures, the locker is fine.

Also, food for thought: a safe isnt really any better unless your anchoring it. Which may present its own set of problems given the construction of your home.

FWIW, I prefer a well hidden locker to an obvious safe.
 
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Safe.

Get creative with nylock nuts and large washers behind floor joists/studs and you can make it VERY difficult to get a safe out of the house.
 

Phoenix86

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Safe. It will last longer than you will and there is no dollar amount you can put on safety.
Unless you're buying a safe that costs $500. Then the price on safety is $500. :sneaky:

edit: consider a cabinet+trigger locks?
 

dabuddha

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I guess you guys are right. I just need something that'll hold 1-2 rifles and 1 shotgun. I already have a small safe for my pistols. I do plan on wall mounting the safe/cabinet in my bedroom closet to the wall studs.

opinions about this one?
 
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Tiamat

Lifer
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I just use stack on cabinets that are key access. I got them from dicks sporting goods. They are lighter weight than safes so I could lift them up my stairs easily and install them in my closet. I just installed a 1x4 across studs with lag bolts and lag bolts to the cabinets.
 

dabuddha

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I just use stack on cabinets that are key access. I got them from dicks sporting goods. They are lighter weight than safes so I could lift them up my stairs easily and install them in my closet. I just installed a 1x4 across studs with lag bolts and lag bolts to the cabinets.

That's how I mounted my small pistol safe. Except I cut out a piece of wood that's the size of my safe so no one could easily use a pry bar to just try to pull it out of my wall. Plus my closet isn't that big (small walk in) so they'd have a hell of a time trying to work in there. But my biggest concern really is the rug rats
 

dabuddha

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4 stars, over 250 reviews, Prime eligible?

I would buy it in a heartbeat if I had long guns.

Was really tempted to get this one honestly link but all of the negative reviews talk about damage during shipping. And I also hate walmart with a passion so even thinking about having to deal with them makes me want to club myself to death
 

dabuddha

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That is a TINY safe. I have a 16 gun safe and it's still too small .

I'm hoping it'll be big enough for me. I envision myself only having up to 3 long guns to be honest. And the 3rd one will be a long way off. So for now, it'll be my ar15 and later this year I plan on buying a shotgun. I have a 2nd smaller safe for my pistols.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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soooo....

I can't find a USP without an external safety. I can find a P30 but I'm not really sure about it. Its not striker fired and I really want a full sized, metal framed, striker fired gun.

The Sig P320 is the only thing I can find that really catches my interest and I don't think it has a release date yet.

Ho hum...
 

irishScott

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OK

I've narrowed it down to the M&P Pro or a Glock 17.

Opinions?

M&P. Better Grip, better aesthetics, not only Made In America but made by a US-based company, and used by Samuel L. Jackson in the Avengers (alright not the pro, but close enough).

Glock 17s are just bland. Functional as hell, but bland.
 

rudeguy

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M&P. Better Grip, better aesthetics, not only Made In America but made by a US-based company, and used by Samuel L. Jackson in the Avengers (alright not the pro, but close enough).

Glock 17s are just bland. Functional as hell, but bland.

Yea...I think I'm sold. Hickok did a few videos with one and he loved it. Cabela's had a "CORE" model that I can't seem to find online. I'm not sure if its worth the extra $150 though?
 

Zargon

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M&P. Better Grip, better aesthetics,<< Personal Opinion not only Made In America but made by a US-based company, and used by Samuel L. Jackson in the Avengers (alright not the pro, but close enough).

Glock 17s are just bland. Functional as hell, but bland.

after the weird shield trigger issue Im not rushing to recommended a current M&P


Yea...I think I'm sold. Hickok did a few videos with one and he loved it. Cabela's had a "CORE" model that I can't seem to find online. I'm not sure if its worth the extra $150 though?

could always get a Glock 34, they are great shooters
 
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Yea...I think I'm sold. Hickok did a few videos with one and he loved it. Cabela's had a "CORE" model that I can't seem to find online. I'm not sure if its worth the extra $150 though?


The CORE is preconfigured to allow installation of a red dot optic. Unless you intend to install one (which is unlikely), don't bother.

I own a Glock 17 (Gen 3) and love it, but if I were starting all over today I might well go with the M&P. Personally I would probably get the longslide Pro, since it would almost exclusively be used as a range toy.
 

Phanuel

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My early generation M&P 9 is one of the less accurate ones, and the stock trigger was awful in part 1) the design of the trigger with the fold in the middle instead of the Glock style with the pivoting blade, 2) the original sear cam design was gritty and rough along with the firing pin safety detent wasn't very round and had a noticeable second "hump" in the trigger pull when the trigger bar depressed it.

Otherwise, good ergonomics, changeable backstraps, slightly heavier than a Glock so it's hard to limp wrist or Glock wrist it. I find the pro looks idiotic with the extended slide but that's just me.

Get the Apex replacement polymer trigger imo if you can't stand the stock trigger.
 

velillen

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Get the Apex replacement polymer trigger imo if you can't stand the stock trigger.

Get it even if you like the stock trigger

My dad has the M&P 45 and it was ok trigger wise. Did the Apex trigger and wow that made a world of difference. its much better all around now
 
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