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Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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I really need another single stack 9mm as small as the PM9 to come out. Considering switching to a Shield at this point though it might be a tad too big for pocket carry.

It is a total love/hate relationship with my PM9. Granted, it was a tad dirty as I regrettably did not clean it after last range trip, but the damn thing was jamming/failing to feed on the 4th or 5th round at the range this weekend. It's just not a reliable gun. Hard to put a lot of trust in it given its many quirks.

Has it always been like this and with all types of ammo? How many rounds have you put through it?

I think kahr recommends replacing the recoil spring (assembly) every 1200-1500 rounds. There is also an initial "break-in" of 500 rounds for any rough spots to smooth out. Also consider your magazines and if it is doing it to all magazines or one/two in particular.

I also don't like doing full capacity + 1 on the kahrs. I do a full mag, chamber and leave the magazine 1 short of capacity.
 

phucheneh

Diamond Member
Jun 30, 2012
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My CM9 and CW9 were utterly reliable from the first round up to however I had through them before selling them. Probably 1000 total. I wish I hadn't sold the CM9. CW9 went because it kept making my hand bleed. Dunno why there was any difference, but the smaller gun was somehow a better shooter.

The PM9 is supposed to be higher quality. Do you keep it clean and liberally lubed? What ammo do you shoot at the range?

We're talking literal FTF, right? Stuck out of battery? If it's this and not just a percieved failure to cock the striker (i.e. you're short-stroking), I would bet it's your mag(s). Check for bent feed lips.
 

phucheneh

Diamond Member
Jun 30, 2012
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Put three boxes through the sig. Really nice shooter but my groups have gone all rudeguy on me. Easy to see why the DAK is the choice of the fibbies or secret service or whatever. Safe, consistent, and obviously made to doubletap. Longer bursts are difficult...starts to feel like playing a DA/SA lottery...but the the short reset is very natural on the second shot. I approve of this gun. Also i dumped a mag of +P critical duty and it felt the same as range ammo. I think that's a good thing...
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Put three boxes through the sig. Really nice shooter but my groups have gone all rudeguy on me. Easy to see why the DAK is the choice of the fibbies or secret service or whatever. Safe, consistent, and obviously made to doubletap. Longer bursts are difficult...starts to feel like playing a DA/SA lottery...but the the short reset is very natural on the second shot. I approve of this gun. Also i dumped a mag of +P critical duty and it felt the same as range ammo. I think that's a good thing...

damn it. I'll post a pic of my Glock shots. They are good!

Shooting that Sig humbled me. I thought I was a really good shot until I shot that thing. Now I know why so many people love Glocks. They are a ton more forgiving.

I will either master the Sig or go broke buying ammo trying.
 

Tiamat

Lifer
Nov 25, 2003
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damn it. I'll post a pic of my Glock shots. They are good!

Shooting that Sig humbled me. I thought I was a really good shot until I shot that thing. Now I know why so many people love Glocks. They are a ton more forgiving.

I will either master the Sig or go broke buying ammo trying.

Its all about patience and control. I shoot a p226 and ppq with the same results as a g19 at 10yds - 15 shots in 2", 1 second per shot. Working on trying to get even faster without opening up the group
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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damn it. I'll post a pic of my Glock shots. They are good!

Shooting that Sig humbled me. I thought I was a really good shot until I shot that thing. Now I know why so many people love Glocks. They are a ton more forgiving.

I will either master the Sig or go broke buying ammo trying.

Dude, I have a Glock 17, Glock 26 both Gen 4's and a Sig P229, and the Sig is easy to shoot. Way smoother than the Glocks.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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You guys should try using something like this.
http://www.mytargets.com/target23 half inch on grid.pdf

You can go as slow or fast as you want as far back as you want, but 1 bullet, 1 hole. It will help you think about what you did wrong with each shot instead of pulling back a shot out swiss cheese target and not be able to think about individual shots.

Honestly, I mainly go with dryfire practice and competitions and am rarely at regular ranges unless I'm sighting in or troubleshooting. The adrenaline of an audience and a timer is a much better representation of how you would shoot in a real scenario. Way more fun too.
 

phucheneh

Diamond Member
Jun 30, 2012
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Shooting a gun with an easy trigger and clear sights is good practice. Shooting a gun with a difficult trigger, especially depending on the size of it, is even better practice. I got spoiled by H&K's and other expensive SA/DA stuff when I was learning. I've now entered into DAO territory for the...third time. Not counting revolvers that, if manually cocked, had some of the lightest, smoothest triggers out there...a good old Colt .38 (varous police models are very affordable) will teach you how well you can shoot with an odd grip and bad sights. Answer: surprisingly well.

But I had a P250 sub (gone now) and now this P239, and two Kahrs, which kinda count. They are decidedly not real DAO...their function is much the same as a Glock, but they purposefully have an extra-long 'DA-style' trigger stroke. It's hard to complain about the Glock trigger, because they're light, short, and cushion your finger just enough to avoid jerking the gun upon firing. Any mushiness or graininess is a moot point and doesn't really affect how well they can be fired. But this short snappy trigger is why I would never carry one. Or similar pistols.

Focusing while the hammer is rising and knowing when the drop is coming is what has to be done to master this gun. And consistently finding the short reset without even thinking or slowing down.

Rude, since, unfortunately, you cannot use my 'hey, it's DAK' excuse :awe: ...I think you just need to focus on your grip, aiming, breathing...make sure you're doing all the simple stuff right...and in SA on that gun, shots will just start falling into place.
 

Tiamat

Lifer
Nov 25, 2003
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You guys should try using something like this.
http://www.mytargets.com/target23 half inch on grid.pdf

You can go as slow or fast as you want as far back as you want, but 1 bullet, 1 hole. It will help you think about what you did wrong with each shot instead of pulling back a shot out swiss cheese target and not be able to think about individual shots.

Honestly, I mainly go with dryfire practice and competitions and am rarely at regular ranges unless I'm sighting in or troubleshooting. The adrenaline of an audience and a timer is a much better representation of how you would shoot in a real scenario. Way more fun too.

Yeah, I've arranged those 1" circle stickers like an analog clock and try to shoot them out with 12 shots. It is very challenging with anything but my tricked out ruger 22/45. Similar to the circlegrid.
 

phucheneh

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Jun 30, 2012
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I doubt it would look nearly as severe if some of that shock was allowed to dissipate through the arms of a shooter.

Glock has always generally seemed to have one of the 'best' (depending on how define the word) composite materials for their frames. I would assume some flex is intended. By comparison, I think alloy frames are the most commonly known for failures because aluminum has less strength (and simply less mass) than steel, and is going to be the most brittle.

I would even go as far as to say that the observed flex forward of the front metal blocks, in both the guide rod and the frame itself, is definitely intentional and probably why Glocks seem to be really soft shooters for their weight and caliber. The worrisome part is around the trigger, right where the takedown lever is bouncing. But it looks like the firing mech on that bench vise holding pressure on the trigger may be causing a lot of that.
 

Skel

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Apr 11, 2001
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Yesterday I ended up picking up the Beretta Nano. I had been looking for a subcompact like the Nano for a while and said that if I came across one for under $400 out the door I'd go for it. The local shop had a Eotech Magnifier that I was looking for, and what I was there to look at in the first place.

I discovered the magnifier was a knock off and after talking to the owner and showing him it was, he thanked me and offered to take money off the Nano I had also been fondling as he had a few and I saved him from drama selling it to a regular. I gather the regular that was looking for it is a lot of drama and it would have been a hassle. I ended up getting the gun, and the knock off magnifier for $350 out the door. That I couldn't walk away from.

The Nano is nice enough. It really is no frills and shoots well. The trigger is reallllllllly long and stiff, but as there's no safety, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. It comes with two magazines, a six round and eight. The eight, shown here, has the extra grip on it which makes a huge difference in holding and shooting. I plan on carrying either in the ankle or the IWB, so I'll prob still be using the six round as every inch counts.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Heading to the range. Wish me luck!


But seriously. ..if I can't shoot this p229 straight today, it's going on the trading block.
 

Tiamat

Lifer
Nov 25, 2003
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Heading to the range. Wish me luck!


But seriously. ..if I can't shoot this p229 straight today, it's going on the trading block.

:/

You don't need luck, just patience. Also, try shooting multiple small targets one shot each target, something like 5" stickers.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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I have very little patience.

I am getting better but I think I'm going to shopping for a trade. Or just officially designate her a safe queen.

 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Oh will the subject of safety glasses:

I get prescription stuff from ZenniOptical that also meets the ANSI impact requirements. Thats a lot better than wearing junk over your regular glasses.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Are side shields on prescription glasses ok for ranges? Glasses suck when you have to use safety glasses.
 

MartyMcFly3

Lifer
Jan 18, 2003
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Took my wife to the range last weekend. She shot a Walther P22. Dont know how the hell it happened but a chunk of the slide broke off 4 shots in, grazing her face. Luckily she and everyone else were ok.

Sent it to Walther for a replacement.
 

phucheneh

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Jun 30, 2012
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Took my wife to the range last weekend. She shot a Walther P22. Dont know how the hell it happened but a chunk of the slide broke off 4 shots in, grazing her face. Luckily she and everyone else were ok.

Sent it to Walther for a replacement.

I'd send that pot metal piece of shit back for a replacement of my money. Fuck. That.
 

phucheneh

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Jun 30, 2012
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Yeah I was less than thrilled. I still don't know how the hell that happened. I've had it for around 8 years. It was just bizarre.

S&W put looking cool ahead of engineering. It looks like it cracked right around some of the sharp edges of the ejection port.

If you're gonna build a gun out of dogshit 'zinc alloy,' it needs to be designed for it. Example:



Hi-points are very well-engineered pieces of shit. No thin spots, no sharp edges. They are highly aware of the limitations of the materials.
 
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