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Zargon

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Is that your private property or someone else's / local district? If it was private, who cares what the state laws are.

Public though is a whole 'nother ball game and I'd still feel way more comfortable not advertising.



some of it is state forestland, where it would be illegal to open carry unless they legalized it

plus when driving to my friends farm land I would have to put it in the console, or IWD it to be legal, as open carry in the car is still illegal in most states unless its plainly legal

but these are pretty fringe cases, and since I don't currently have my CCW, I cant do shit anyways

I really need to finish the training so I can wait my 90 days




but yeah Im not talking about going to mall with my glock on the outside of my belt.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
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Who in their right mind would ever want to actually open carry? I'll take concealed carry every day of the week 1,000,000 times before I'd ever consider open carrying.

Please don't derail this thread with that BS debate. Your personal preference doesn't apply to everyone.
 

phucheneh

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Please don't derail this thread with that BS debate. Your personal preference doesn't apply to everyone.

It's not like he's looking for some kinda fight on 'gun control' issues. I think it's just a regional thing. There are a lot of people who have probably never seen someone with a gun on their hip that wasn't a police officer.

Around here...it's certainly not uncommon. And that's in the only county in the state (or maybe one of two) that typically votes democrat. Outside of Nashville, it's probably even more common. But I know people that have open carried in the middle of downtown and never even been asked to show their carry permit.

Personally, with said permit, I think CC is preferable. But if open carry were legal for everyone (or all legal gun owners, at least), I think it would get even more common, your chances of being questioned about it would be even more slim, and I would probably do it on occasion.

People can form their own opinions on whether openly armed citizens makes everyone more or less safe. I err on the side of 'safer' simply because I've never heard of someone committing a crime that starts with them casually open-carrying.
 

Tiamat

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Who in their right mind would ever want to actually open carry? I'll take concealed carry every day of the week 1,000,000 times before I'd ever consider open carrying.

While hiking, backpacking, activities like that, I'd prefer to open carry a full size handgun in 10mm, 357 mag, 44 mag, 45acp rather than a subcompact low capacity concealed handgun.
 

shortylickens

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While hiking, backpacking, activities like that, I'd prefer to open carry a full size handgun in 10mm, 357 mag, 44 mag, 45acp rather than a subcompact low capacity concealed handgun.

Have you ever been to Reddish Knob? Its west of Harrisonburg, in the GW national forest.
 

RampantAndroid

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While hiking, backpacking, activities like that, I'd prefer to open carry a full size handgun in 10mm, 357 mag, 44 mag, 45acp rather than a subcompact low capacity concealed handgun.

May I ask why? My main concern has been bears and big cats up here in WA - and every bit of research I've done suggests guns are for two legged creatures, bear spray is for the four legged kind (basically that bear spray will work better than shooting a bear.)

Don't get me wrong - I carry when I'm out at night for astrophotography, but I plan to buy bear spray for backpacking this year...and probably skip on carrying my 41 magnum.
 

phucheneh

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Well, there are wolves and coyotes. Mountain lions. Maybe a rabid badger or raccoon. PCP-crazed deer. Chupacabras.

Surely something shootable. I don't think large bears are the only thing out there that can hurt you. Though other than stuff with the 'rabid' prefix, it doesn't seem like there's much that will fuck with a human. We're loud and most animals just prefer to stay away if they know you're around.

I mostly just wanted to point out that there can, you know, be people in the woods, too...but if you're likely to encounter other people, you're probably in a park, and carry is illegal...
 

Tiamat

Lifer
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May I ask why? My main concern has been bears and big cats up here in WA - and every bit of research I've done suggests guns are for two legged creatures, bear spray is for the four legged kind (basically that bear spray will work better than shooting a bear.)

Don't get me wrong - I carry when I'm out at night for astrophotography, but I plan to buy bear spray for backpacking this year...and probably skip on carrying my 41 magnum.

Peace of mind really. I agree that lethal measures are third to non lethal measures which are second only to awareness and avoidance. Even though I do like to maintain a somewhat minimal load out, I still make room for the full size firearm.
 

BladeVenom

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May I ask why? My main concern has been bears and big cats up here in WA - and every bit of research I've done suggests guns are for two legged creatures, bear spray is for the four legged kind (basically that bear spray will work better than shooting a bear.)

Don't get me wrong - I carry when I'm out at night for astrophotography, but I plan to buy bear spray for backpacking this year...and probably skip on carrying my 41 magnum.

I wouldn't skip carrying the gun. It seems that if a bear is really hungry, bear spray won't stop them. Famous bear researcher Vitaly Nikolayenko was found with an emptied can of bear spray next to his half eaten body.
 

Zargon

Lifer
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Well, there are wolves and coyotes. Mountain lions. Maybe a rabid badger or raccoon. PCP-crazed deer. Chupacabras.

Surely something shootable. I don't think large bears are the only thing out there that can hurt you. Though other than stuff with the 'rabid' prefix, it doesn't seem like there's much that will fuck with a human. We're loud and most animals just prefer to stay away if they know you're around.

I mostly just wanted to point out that there can, you know, be people in the woods, too...but if you're likely to encounter other people, you're probably in a park, and carry is illegal...

legality depends on the state. I believe if you are legal to carry in the state, you are legal to carry on federal park land
 

phucheneh

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legality depends on the state. I believe if you are legal to carry in the state, you are legal to carry on federal park land

It may be on a park-to-park or state-to-state (or both) basis. I know there are state parks around here that say firearms are strictly prohibited. Pretty sure carry permit doesn't change it...without the permit, it would certainly be illegal either way (unless of course there is a no-permit open carry policy in effect, as I stated is currently going through legislature in my state). And I believe I've read that some of the bigger federal park land like Yosemite also has a no firearms policy.
 

Spike

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It may be on a park-to-park or state-to-state (or both) basis. I know there are state parks around here that say firearms are strictly prohibited. Pretty sure carry permit doesn't change it...without the permit, it would certainly be illegal either way (unless of course there is a no-permit open carry policy in effect, as I stated is currently going through legislature in my state). And I believe I've read that some of the bigger federal park land like Yosemite also has a no firearms policy.

I don't know about the state park laws in each state, but national parks allow concealed carry if you are legal to carry in the state the park is located in. Given that Yosemite is in CA, pretty much no one can carry there legally, but I'm allowed to carry in any national park in the 30 odd states that recognize my WA and UT permits.

I believe that in WA I can carry in the state parks with a concealed permit, but can't open carry. Where as the state has quite relaxed open carry laws and outside of those parks I can carry just about anywhere, though they frown upon that in the city and your likely to get harassed by officers. When I do longer hikes around here I always have my Springfield XD 45 compact on my hip open carry but the location means my arms and pack make it hard to see so most people never notice it.
 

phucheneh

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I wouldn't skip carrying the gun. It seems that if a bear is really hungry, bear spray won't stop them. Famous bear researcher Vitaly Nikolayenko was found with an emptied can of bear spray next to his half eaten body.

It's basically the same risk either way. But bear spray seems like it is a generally well-proven deterrent, if used correctly. And I say that while still having personal doubts...if you spray a bear at a distance, it seems like you may just be needlessly antagonizing him. Up close, I wonder if his instinct to eliminate the threat would override any pain he may feel from a direct hit to the face. Kinda depends on if that stuff really incapacitates or just serves to deter from a 'you're not gonna like this' POV.

With humans, quality OC or CS should negate the threat pretty well...firsthand experience with a military CS chamber showed me how well that stuff immediately cuts off my breathing and renders my eyes useless.

I'd lean toward preferring a center mass magdump with a decent pistol round and hoping like hell it hits a vital organ. People definitely say a big, thick, flat bear skull is a poor choice to shoot at. If I was worried about bears, I'd definitely be packing something with some oomph...10mm or .40 seems like a good choice for an auto....this is where you really get into, uh...'armchair bear hunter.' A lot of failures to drop bears seem to be with high-powered revolver rounds, which seem like a worse alternatire. .44mag or larger seems good on paper, but 5-6 shots of something hard to control seem like an interior choice to 10+ rounds of mag-dumpable .40. Same can be extended to long guns...yeah, a .308, .30-06, .338...those will do some damage, but will you even get more than 1-2 rounds off?
 

OCGuy

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It may be on a park-to-park or state-to-state (or both) basis. I know there are state parks around here that say firearms are strictly prohibited. Pretty sure carry permit doesn't change it...without the permit, it would certainly be illegal either way (unless of course there is a no-permit open carry policy in effect, as I stated is currently going through legislature in my state). And I believe I've read that some of the bigger federal park land like Yosemite also has a no firearms policy.

You can possess firearms in all federal parks if you are legally allowed to do so otherwise in the state as of 2010. CCWs are good state wide.

I carry a rifle and a .45 when walking around/hiking in Montana. Bear aren't the real worry, though I would rather go down shooting than the whole "cover in fetal position" while it eats you BS.

I posted a picture in the hiking thread of last summer when me and the GF were out in the MT woods on/near my family property....right after the pic was taken we rounded a corner and there was a huge mama moose and one offspring. She immediately was sizing us up and determining if we were a threat.

She could have closed the distance extremely fast if she wanted to, but I guarantee you anyone in that situation would have been extremely glad that there were two rifles and two last-stand large caliber pistols that were at the ready, just in case.

I am leaving for MT on Thursday, and will make the trek to Yellowstone and will be OCing the whole time.
 
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Zargon

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You can possess firearms in all federal parks if you are legally allowed to do so otherwise in the state as of 2010. CCWs are good state wide.

if I summit anything in CO againt I will probably have to illegally carry, because they only recognize in state permits now, and I would be spending 5 days in bear county. its too bad federal wide ccw allowed didn't stick

its too bad they went nutzo post-aurora
 
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VulgarDisplay

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Are there any daily deal sites devoted to guns/ammo?


I'm looming to get a deal on ar parts. Looking for an upper at the moment.
 
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