YAGT: OMG I love guns

[phucheneh]

I'm understanding these single-actions a lot more now. I had read constantly that 'if you want a genuine Colt...replica, you want an Uberti,' whereas the Ruger was more of the shooter's gun. Hell, a Vanqeuro sure looks like an SAA to me.

The difference has gotta be in the feel. I've never felt a revolver like this- only ever fired comparatively 'late-model' DA designs, and I suspect the SA Rugers would share that modern feel.

This Uberti, though, is so mechanical and crude and freaking awesome all at once. I suspect this is a LOT what a Colt of the period would have felt like. The hammer is stiff, but it's effing huge and therefore easy to cock. The trigger is probably about a 3-4lb clean break. It takes a little push, but then it just happens and it's very smooth. And the hammer rams home like it's driving a fucking railroad spike into the back of the gun. It's fantastic.

Must shoot. Range report tomorrow. Shit, I realized I don't even know what kind of boom Long Colt makes. This is the first new caliber [to me] that I've shot in a long time.

 

[Svnla]

ABC Nightline did a story about Ares Amory 80% receivers that do not need serial number or any type of paperwork.

Can you really do that? But how would you get that 80% receiver into a working receiver without CNC tools?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

ABC Nightline did a story about Ares Amory 80% receivers that do not need serial number or any type of paperwork.

Can you really do that? But how would you get that 80% receiver into a working receiver without CNC tools?

You don't need a CNC but you do need a drill press and a number of other tools.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/02/billet-rifle-systems-80-receiver-part/

 

[MongGrel]

You don't need a CNC but you do need a drill press and a number of other tools.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/02/billet-rifle-systems-80-receiver-part/

Trying to accurately machine anything I see in those pics with what is shown just makes me shudder, but I do have access I guess to CNC on a daily basis if have never used it for firearms personally myself.

 

[Merad]

This Uberti, though, is so mechanical and crude and freaking awesome all at once. I suspect this is a LOT what a Colt of the period would have felt like. The hammer is stiff, but it's effing huge and therefore easy to cock. The trigger is probably about a 3-4lb clean break. It takes a little push, but then it just happens and it's very smooth. And the hammer rams home like it's driving a fucking railroad spike into the back of the gun. It's fantastic.

I think that's just a feature of decent SA revolvers. Sounds like my Blackhawk and SBH.

ABC Nightline did a story about Ares Amory 80% receivers that do not need serial number or any type of paperwork.

Can you really do that? But how would you get that 80% receiver into a working receiver without CNC tools?

An 80% lower is not considered a finished firearm, so it doesn't have to be serialized or shipped to a FFL. It's also legal to manufacture firearms for your own use, so you can finish it yourself. I'm not sure if you could ever sell it though without getting some kind of manufacturing license.

Also I've heard of people doing "lower parties" where one person really has all the tools and knowledge and "helps" a group of guys finish their 80% lowers. IMO that's venturing into sketchy territory.

 

[velillen]

An 80% lower is not considered a finished firearm, so it doesn't have to be serialized or shipped to a FFL. It's also legal to manufacture firearms for your own use, so you can finish it yourself. I'm not sure if you could ever sell it though without getting some kind of manufacturing license.

Also I've heard of people doing "lower parties" where one person really has all the tools and knowledge and "helps" a group of guys finish their 80% lowers. IMO that's venturing into sketchy territory.

THe parties are usually at a CNC place. Least i know Ares did that. Would set up a night and setup their cnc machines for the lowers. Machinst would basically load the lower into the machine and load the program. but the owner of the lower pushes the green start button. Quick way of doing them.


My understanding on the ATF raid regarding them was over a particular version they sold. The name escapes me now. But basically the company would use white polymer and first form the FCG area out of that white polymer. Then they would use black polymer to form the rest of the lower around that white FCG. What i read basically made it sound like the ATF didnt care for the process and it wasnt inline with it being an 80% since the FCG was "formed" separately from the lower. I can see both sides on this though.

But the ATF raid was all messed up

 

[Merad]

My understanding on the ATF raid regarding them was over a particular version they sold. The name escapes me now. But basically the company would use white polymer and first form the FCG area out of that white polymer. Then they would use black polymer to form the rest of the lower around that white FCG. What i read basically made it sound like the ATF didnt care for the process and it wasnt inline with it being an 80% since the FCG was "formed" separately from the lower. I can see both sides on this though.

Ohhh, were those ones that you could supposedly finish with a dremel tool?

 

[Svnla]

You don't need a CNC but you do need a drill press and a number of other tools.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/02/billet-rifle-systems-80-receiver-part/

Nice link. I am pretty good with my hands but I don't think even bother to cut the hole out for the fire control group/trigger from the 80% receiver even I have all the tools.

 

[corwin]

Nice link. I am pretty good with my hands but I don't think even bother to cut the hole out for the fire control group/trigger from the 80% receiver.

You can get one ready and all for $150 (free shipping) plus $15 FFL fee.

But then there's a record of you buying it...don't you have any paranoia in you

OTOH it would be cool to finish one yourself and then have a custom rollmark put on it, make a real family heirloom out of it

 

[BladeVenom]

I'm not sure if you could ever sell it though without getting some kind of manufacturing license.

That's the problem. You can't sell it or pass it on.

 

[BladeVenom]

OTOH it would be cool to finish one yourself and then have a custom rollmark put on it, make a real family heirloom out of it

Buy a receiver with a customized serial number if you want a family heirloom.

 

[corwin]

That's the problem. You can't sell it or pass it on.

I'm 99% sure you can pass it on, just not sell it

 

[corwin]

Buy a receiver with a customized serial number if you want a family heirloom.

Would rather have my family crest engraved on one

 

[boomhower]

Would rather have my family crest engraved on one

You can have both. A few companies offer the service, I have on custom engraved but did not get a custom serial number though they do offer it now.

 

[velillen]

Ohhh, were those ones that you could supposedly finish with a dremel tool?

Yup it was literally just cut out all the white polymer and you were done. No more jogs or anything like that


As for selling the 80% later....its my understanding you can but you have to give it a serial number. You also cant make it with the intent to sell (ie you make it but sell it 5 years later type thing). But i would talk to the ATF if one were even considering it.



So i went to the range on yesterday....im still not totally pleased with the 762-SDN. I only fired 20 rounds or so (more for chronographing than anything) and couldnt get it to group for shit. Going to have to try it with my 223 and really see what is going on. I also took my savage back out. Was doing pretty dang good at 100 yards! Shot 3 groups of 5 rounds all under 1 inch. Was getting excited since i had been wanting to do a 30 round 6 group entry on another forum. Go to shoot the fourth group and get three rounds in and the third round the case gets stuck >.< Of course nobody had a rod or anything ot knock it out so i had to pack it. Was some of the better shooting i had done too! But it was my fault. The brass wasnt quite sized right so it was already a snug fit in the chamber and a couple of the rounds had been a bit hard to extract. Nothing with the load just the brass wasnt sized correctly Least i finally shot pistols again. God im a terrible shot with pistol lol

 

[MongGrel]

THe parties are usually at a CNC place. Least i know Ares did that. Would set up a night and setup their cnc machines for the lowers. Machinst would basically load the lower into the machine and load the program. but the owner of the lower pushes the green start button. Quick way of doing them.


My understanding on the ATF raid regarding them was over a particular version they sold. The name escapes me now. But basically the company would use white polymer and first form the FCG area out of that white polymer. Then they would use black polymer to form the rest of the lower around that white FCG. What i read basically made it sound like the ATF didnt care for the process and it wasnt inline with it being an 80% since the FCG was "formed" separately from the lower. I can see both sides on this though.

But the ATF raid was all messed up

I could honestly see that ATF having a problem with this to be honest.

If you aren't capable of writing the programming and doing the set up, you're not really manufacturing anything on your own.

 

[Kelvrick]

I could honestly see that ATF having a problem with this to be honest.

If you aren't capable of writing the programming and doing the set up, you're not really manufacturing anything on your own.

They had an issue with the machine shops renting out their programmed CNC machines, but they also had an issue with the EP was marking out the trigger and safety pin selector holes, among other things. It is a big thing over here in California and it certainly isn't helping Ares' reputation.

Aluminum 80%'s still seem to be ok, but I would stay away from polymer. Well, stay away from 80% completely right now if you're not doing it yourself in a mill/drill in someone's garage.

 

[phucheneh]

Since utterly no one cares, an update on my venture into single-action revolvers continues...

...ugh, I make such poor decisions.

'45 Colt? Very common round, but also comparatively few people firing it, especially when you consider the likely higher percentage of reloaders. That makes it something that I'll always be able to find ammo for, right?!'

...nope. Range had nothing. The big damn GUN STORE attached to them...had nothing.

Went to Walmart and paid 45 goddamn dollars for 50 rounds of .45LC 'cowboy action' loads. Unjacketed 250gr bullets, 750fps. A great range round, but 'pay more for less' philosophy pisses me off. Pass along the cost of the big casings, sure, but don't charge me more for cheap bullets and the powder you left out. Bastards.

The funny part? The range had .30 carbine in stock for like 25 a box. Also the only Blackhawk in the store's gun case (plus a couple Vanqueros) was the .30. $499 bucks. I'm contemplating it, but my brain is trying to tell me that I should just buy a .357 so I can shoot two different reasonably-priced super-common cartridges.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd go the .357 route myself I like both of mine.

The Blackhawk and the King Cobra.

Yeah, being able to pop .38's in if ya want to mess with those in there for playing around is nice.

Just my humble opinion.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And, as a matter interest, a .357 Magnum revolver can digest .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .38 Long Colt, and .38 Short Colt. Not recommended, but in a pinch, also .38 Super, .38 ACP and .35 Winchester Self Loading. In fact, the .35 WSL was one of the cases considered in the developemnet of the .357 Magnum cartridge back in 1935.

Bob Wright

http://www.handgunforum.net/new-handguns-area/14188-caliber-interchange-question-caution-noob.html

 

[phucheneh]

But .30 is so neat. It's like 9mm Magnum +P, LOL. The comparison being that the most common 9mm is IIRC a 115gr at 12-1300fps or so... .30 is 110gr at around 2000.

Just seems like it would be...neat. I know, I'm dumb.

(ooh, or we could put it this way: it's WWII 5.7mm!)

 

[velillen]

But .30 is so neat. It's like 9mm Magnum +P, LOL. The comparison being that the most common 9mm is IIRC a 115gr at 12-1300fps or so... .30 is 110gr at around 2000.

Just seems like it would be...neat. I know, I'm dumb.

(ooh, or we could put it this way: it's WWII 5.7mm!)

Everyone i know who shoots 45LC reloads. pretty much for the reasons you found out. Its common in certain circles but not really mainstream common anymore due to other options. But tons of guns still are offered in it. Its kind of like 10mm.....lots of options out ther for it, ammo can be somewhat hard to find for it, and reloading is the only real way to get the most out of it.


The Blackhawk in 30 carbine would be interesting. For 500 bucks it isnt a bad pick up but i would see it as a "every now and then" sort of gun more than something i would shoot often. Least 30carbine is a bit cheaper and more common.

 

[BladeVenom]

I've found .45 LC more common than .30 carbine.

.30 carbine isn't really that good a round in a handgun. It uses slow burning powder made for a rifle. In a handgun, you'll lose almost half its power, but it does make an impressive fireball.

I'd go with a .357 or a 10mm before a .30 carbine.

.30 carbine would just be for WW2 M1 nostalgia.

 

[MongGrel]

Yeah, rifle rounds in a pistol just do not work as well, I have that Thompson Contender you can basically put rifle barrels on for that reason.

The pressure build up.

If you were maybe doing you're own reloads with pistol powder in .30 caliber might be interesting, but I seriously don't now much about reloading and possibly could be very dangerous.

I'm clueless on that one.

 

[shortylickens]

For every specific bullet there is always an optimal barrel length with an optimal rifling twist rate.

Most of the guns we see rarely fit those perfect measurements, but putting a handgun round into a rifle will probably NOT get the best results. Nor a rifle round in a handgun.

 

[phucheneh]

I guess I just have a thing for cool old guns (or rather, replicas/clones/modified versions of of old guns) in cool old calibers. Even with the stupid ammo cost, I do not regret the Uberti purchase at all. That gun is oldschool awesome in oldschool best caliber (of the time period). But I realize that I want a better target gun in a 'better' caliber and thus, Blackhawk seems eminent. Perhaps Ranquero, but I can't see buying two SSA's without real sights. Will probably buy the .357 6.5" Blackhawk for ~475 at Bud's, just 'cause the guy at the gun store was a smug dickface. Sorry, but I think dry-firing a non-rimfire gun is a nobrainer...no one wants to hear you click-clacking away on a gun, but having already pulled the hammer back and rotated the cylinder (after having it smugly explained that 'no, there's no half-cock to rotate the cylinder; it unlocks when you open the gate. LOL, everyone knows this' prettymuch)...I ask 'is it alright to dry fire [this gun from your case that has been cleared by both of us'...'I'd prefer that you didn't.'

Proper response: stare the sales clerk straight in the eyes...*clack*...put the gun down and walk out the door.

Sorry, but trigger pull matters to a buyer, and you're not overly stressing a damned thing by dry-firing these things...especially with the Ruger's hammer spring. Holy crap, that's like less than half the uber-tension on this Uberti hammer. This thing has a shitty firing pin and it would still ignite primers made of dogshit and wet sand.