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velillen

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Yep, 22 setups are quieter than hell. Comically quiet. And yes, I completely agree, 300blk is just awesome suppressed. Looking to pick up a 300blk Liberty Leonidas hopefully soon. That is about the quietest AR I've ever seen. The thing is almost as quiet as a 22 rimfire suppressed. A 300blk bolt gun should be even quieter than that though. Super silent.

The newerish Daniel Defense ISR-300 looks good too. Same concept as the Leonidas. If i were to go integral id go for a 300blk bolt gun for sure. Be perfect for hunting and crap. Then again i really was planning on getting one till the SBR bill passed. Now ill just do 8.5" barrel and suppressor combo. I just get to picky about barrel and accuracy to be stuck like you are with the integral stuff
 

JackBurton

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The newerish Daniel Defense ISR-300 looks good too. Same concept as the Leonidas. If i were to go integral id go for a 300blk bolt gun for sure. Be perfect for hunting and crap. Then again i really was planning on getting one till the SBR bill passed. Now ill just do 8.5" barrel and suppressor combo. I just get to picky about barrel and accuracy to be stuck like you are with the integral stuff

Ummm, what SBR bill passed? A separate bill from ATF 41P?

As for accuracy and an integral AR, I just need it to hit it's target at short range. In doors, home defense range. I'll look to pick up an SBR with a suppressor for possibly some long distance shots.
 
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clamum

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See, this is where I lose you. What grease are you talking about? The grease used to lube the gun? I use a very light amount of grease to lube my guns. So the blowback if using a medium like water is pretty easy to clean. It is mainly a mixture of carbon and water. With gel, it is carbon and gel. So not so bad to clean up, but definitely dirtier than shooting dry.

I'm using a SilencerCo Osprey 45 for my USP Tactical. However the quietest setups were the Glock 17 running a Ti-Rant 9 and the Sig P229 running an Osprey 9. Both firing 147gr rounds. The guys around me were shocked how quiet they were. I was pretty impressed too.
I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. ;-)

Do you have any experience shooting a .22LR suppressed? I have a 22/45 Lite pistol that I'd like to get a suppressor for but I don't know much about them, nor have I ever seen .22LR subsonic ammo to buy.
 

velillen

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Ummm, what SBR bill passed? A separate bill from ATF 41P?

As for accuracy and an integral AR, I just need it to hit it's target at short range. In doors, home defense range. I'll look to pick up an SBR with a suppressor for possibly some long distance shots.

WA state sbr bill....sorry shoulda specified that

Haha eah ive done the AR thing and am moving more and more towards bolt guns myself. Im not happy just hitting the target....if it doesnt shoot a 5 shot 1MOA group im not happy (unless guns like my mosins and garands....8" circle and im happy lol) Though i did just pick up a 8.5" 300blk barrel that just needs a rail now. But i agree with the home defense thing. Ive heard my 300blk in a small room. With no hearing protection on. Ears were ringing for a half hour. Honestly was a bit disorienting. But then did hear it suppressed and it was perfectly fine. Since then all the home guns have suppressors on them in case of needed usage. Though im sure in a you really need it you wouldnt notice it
 

JackBurton

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I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. ;-)

Do you have any experience shooting a .22LR suppressed? I have a 22/45 Lite pistol that I'd like to get a suppressor for but I don't know much about them, nor have I ever seen .22LR subsonic ammo to buy.

I haven't shot a .22 suppressed personally, but your gun would perform fantastically with a good suppressor. Grab a SilencerCo SS Sparrow or AAC Element 2, both are amazing suppressors; however if you want a suppressor that is easy to clean, the Sparrow gets it hands down. If you want the quietest and one that just about eliminated first round pop, grab the Element 2. I plan to pick up both.

As for ammo, just pick up your standard CCI ammo. That generally stays subsonic on a pistol.

And if you need a recommendation for where to pick one up, I highly recommend SilencerShop. Good pricing but best of all, a great group of guys. If you have any questions about anything related to suppression, they'd be happy the help you out.

WARNING: Picking up your first suppressor is usually the start of a new addiction. Before you know it, you'll have a stack of them which results in a permanent smile on your face at the range. It's just ridiculously fun!
 
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JackBurton

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WA state sbr bill....sorry shoulda specified that

Haha eah ive done the AR thing and am moving more and more towards bolt guns myself. Im not happy just hitting the target....if it doesnt shoot a 5 shot 1MOA group im not happy (unless guns like my mosins and garands....8" circle and im happy lol) Though i did just pick up a 8.5" 300blk barrel that just needs a rail now. But i agree with the home defense thing. Ive heard my 300blk in a small room. With no hearing protection on. Ears were ringing for a half hour. Honestly was a bit disorienting. But then did hear it suppressed and it was perfectly fine. Since then all the home guns have suppressors on them in case of needed usage. Though im sure in a you really need it you wouldnt notice it

Whew, that was scary. Not sure exactly what the bill consists of, but anything named the "SBR bill" can't be good.

Yeah, I might get into long range shooting later on. That looks really fun.
 

RampantAndroid

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Whew, that was scary. Not sure exactly what the bill consists of, but anything named the "SBR bill" can't be good.

Yeah, I might get into long range shooting later on. That looks really fun.

Actually, it's quite good. We can have SBRs now - pay the tax stamp, and then you're good. WA confuses me. One year it tries to ban all guns in a very underhanded way, the next year it votes nearly unanimously to legalize a new form of weapon that's even more concealable than the AR15 *rifles* it wanted to ban (I think there were 3 nay votes in the state house, unanimous in the senate, governor signed it.)
 

velillen

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I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. ;-)

Do you have any experience shooting a .22LR suppressed? I have a 22/45 Lite pistol that I'd like to get a suppressor for but I don't know much about them, nor have I ever seen .22LR subsonic ammo to buy.

You're 22/45 lite will work great with a 22 suppressor.....how do i know well....



On ammo in a pistol pretty much any 22 ammo will stay subsonic. I shoot the federal bulk 525 pack stuff through mine. Rifles are where you have to get standard or subsonic. Though im not sure on the hyper velocity crap but any bulk will work just fine. Unless you have a crazy long barrel then you might have it go supersonic.

Actually, it's quite good. We can have SBRs now - pay the tax stamp, and then you're good. WA confuses me. One year it tries to ban all guns in a very underhanded way, the next year it votes nearly unanimously to legalize a new form of weapon that's even more concealable than the AR15 *rifles* it wanted to ban (I think there were 3 nay votes in the state house, unanimous in the senate, governor signed it.)

Very good minus one issue. They forgot to include text for manufacturing SBR's. So right now you can only buy factory SBR's and cant Form 1 your own lower into a SBR. But last i heard the bill creators talked to the attorney general and its just a matter of going through all the typical government BS to get that fixed......PS just over a month till the bill is in effect!


As for WA being confusing....blame Seattle (king county to be fair). You have King County who leans towards anti-gun, democratic. Then you have the rest of the state which i have found to be pro-gun and a lot more republican. But since King County has the majority of the states population it throws things out of whack.
 

phucheneh

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Well, on the downside, I wasted a lot of time not fixing my Uberti Cattleman today. On the plus side, I feel like I'm about 90% on traditional SAA operation. I love figuring out how guns work and how to tune them up.

For anyone who is afraid to do work on their own guns...meh, it's really not so hard, so far as simple assembly is concerned. And not a ton harder when it comes to doing trigger jobs, 'slicking up' revolver actions, ect. The most important part is starting slow and not going overboard. And it helps to start with cheap stuff. The only gun I've done major custom work on is my $350 Canik, and now this $350 Uberti.

Anyway, here is the 'bolt,' or cylinder catch, for an SAA:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/66...ttleman-revolver-carbine?cm_vc=ProductFinding

I had broken one of the tabs off the rear of my bolt. The bolt's job is to lock the cylinder (via the external rectangular notches) in place. This is normally accomplished via spring pressure. The reason that the hammer acts upon the bolt (via the 'finger' at the opposite end of the rectangular nub) is to unlock the cylinder so that the hand (the part that shoves against the teeth on the back of the cylinder) can rotate it to 'chamber' the next round, so to speak (and also so you can put it at half-cock and load rounds through the gate).

Being the 'I think I can do it better' retard that I am, I decided to repair my bolt, and in the process turn it into a bomb-proof part. Note that I would not do this on any other gun...I know that critical parts are often very hard steel alloys that should not be replaced with something I made with a spare washer (...a strong washer, though ) and a MIG welder. But these Ubertis are fairly soft steel, and a single-action revolver is easy to bench test. Worst case, it breaks again and the gun fails in a way where I simply can't cycle it (no kaboom).

So, I say to myself...I have one intact finger at the end of the bolt, and know that the other should match it. Why not just use the remaining piece as a template to fix the other, and in the process turn the back end into a solid piece of metal (no gap between the two fingers)? After all, that finger's flimsy design is why it broke!

Well...now I know why. Despite the fact that those fingers feel totally rigid, one is essentially a spring. Imagine my embarrassment when I got it worked to the point where the hammer was coming back super smooth...only to realize that it couldn't drop because the the finger could not flex enough to ride past the nub on the hammer that moves it into the 'unlock' position.

A picture probably helps here:



A guy I work with is a way better welder than me, so I had him weld on the extra bit of metal, then I ground it to the right shape. I was quite proud of it, really.

But see the semicircular little plateau on the side of the hammer? Yep, there's the sticky wicket. That acts on the bolt as the hammer is drawn back, unlocking the cylinder as the hand moves it into position. Then it slips off, letting the cylinder come to rest at the next notch in line. When you fire, the bolt finger must ride back up that ramp without slowing the hammer down too much. Oops...well, okay, I'll order the part then. :awe:

The really important thing I learned about was the 'timing.' Which is not as witchcraft and voodoo as it sounds...it's not a Swiss watch...it's actually very simple, and not at all what I think about when I hear 'timing' (I think in crankshafts/camshafts/ect) The bolt must unlock long enough for the notch in the cylinder to clear it, and be released (back to being only acted upon by the bolt/trigger return spring, which is a flat leaf inside the frame, above the trigger guard) quickly enough to not allow the cylinder to either over-rotate or spring backwards. That's it. Someone who is moderately skilled with their hands CAN hand-fit SAA parts.

Anyhow...just thought I'd share my stupidity and offer a little insight into something that generally causes people to call upon a gunsmith.
 
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slugg

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Noob here. What's the most Glock-like 22lr pistol out there? One that doesn't suck (i. e. not ISSC).
 

corwin

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Those kits make no sense to me. $500 for a glock, then $300 for a kit, then who knows how much to get it installed. For that price, you could buy two good pistols... Are there any other options?
Not sure you get the concept so I'll explain...first off if you can clean the gun you can install the conversion, it takes less than a minute to remove the slide and replace with the conversion yourself, back and forth anytime you want, so you kinda do have 2 guns And for "training" yourself to use the Glock it's cheaper to get used to with .22 ammo than whatever full size caliber it originally came in.
 

Phanuel

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Not sure you get the concept so I'll explain...first off if you can clean the gun you can install the conversion, it takes less than a minute to remove the slide and replace with the conversion yourself, back and forth anytime you want, so you kinda do have 2 guns And for "training" yourself to use the Glock it's cheaper to get used to with .22 ammo than whatever full size caliber it originally came in.

Takes about 2 seconds to remove a glock slide and putting it on is under a second.
 

corwin

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Takes about 2 seconds to remove a glock slide and putting it on is under a second.
He said he was a noob, and since he didn't seem to understand the concept of the conversion in the first place I was allowing time for it to be dropped and picked up multiple times
 

Merad

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Couldn't resist another new (to me) purchase... Sig P220 that popped up on a local forum for an incredible price. It does look like the previous owner polished the finish off of the outside of the chamber, I guess to avoid the wear streaks that Sigs normally get. Other than that though he claimed < 200 rounds fired, and I believe it, as everything looks almost brand new. He did put the E2 style grips on it which I don't think I'm a fan of so far... may switch it back to the original grips if the procedure isn't too difficult.

 

Phanuel

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He said he was a noob, and since he didn't seem to understand the concept of the conversion in the first place I was allowing time for it to be dropped and picked up multiple times

Ouch. Should we recommend a pre-owned French firearm of some kind then?
 

slugg

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He said he was a noob, and since he didn't seem to understand the concept of the conversion in the first place I was allowing time for it to be dropped and picked up multiple times

Haha! Thanks man. I don't know if this makes any sense, but it have a mental design of how a pistol should work intuitively to me. The Glock design is identical to what I had in mind, so it's what makes the most sense to me. But at the same time, with this being my first firearm, I want something that I can practice with cheaply and often.

Now about these 22lr kits... Would the Glock reliability remain? What about accuracy? What are the compromises and considerations?
 

corwin

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Ouch. Should we recommend a pre-owned French firearm of some kind then?
Now that's just not friendly at all
Haha! Thanks man. I don't know if this makes any sense, but it have a mental design of how a pistol should work intuitively to me. The Glock design is identical to what I had in mind, so it's what makes the most sense to me. But at the same time, with this being my first firearm, I want something that I can practice with cheaply and often.

Now about these 22lr kits... Would the Glock reliability remain? What about accuracy? What are the compromises and considerations?
What you want is basically why conversion kits were created, cheap to practice with the exact same "feel" as the full caliber. Reliability in general is the same, though rim fire ammo is inherently less reliable than center fire regardless of what you feed it into. Accuracy is as good as anything else, this isn't a compromise of some kind, it's a dedicated slide and barrel. There's a thread on them at arfcom and the biggest complaints are some have a couple hundred round break in time and others can be finicky on ammo.

Here's the thread...http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/117086_Are_there_any__22LR_Glock_conversions_worth_having_.html
 
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slugg

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Now that's just not friendly at all

What you want is basically why conversion kits were created, cheap to practice with the exact same "feel" as the full caliber. Reliability in general is the same, though rim fire ammo is inherently less reliable than center fire regardless of what you feed it into. Accuracy is as good as anything else, this isn't a compromise of some kind, it's a dedicated slide and barrel. There's a thread on them at arfcom and the biggest complaints are some have a couple hundred round break in time and others can be finicky on ammo.

Here's the thread...http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/117086_Are_there_any__22LR_Glock_conversions_worth_having_.html

Much appreciated. Thanks for the clear answers. This is definitely helping me get started with yet another expensive hobby.
 

corwin

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Much appreciated. Thanks for the clear answers. This is definitely helping me get started with yet another expensive hobby.

Expensive but a lot of fun:awe:

Personally I don't care for a Glock, they never feel right in my hands, luckily there's a lot of guns out there to choose from
 

TerryMathews

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Now unless you guys tell me otherwise, all I've heard about those guns is that they're extremely finicky, FTE a lot, and are picky on ammo. Is this BS real-Glock fanboyism, or is this true?

I don't know that it will be any less finnicky than a conversion kit.

The gold standard is a purpose-built 22lr pistol like the Ruger Mark iii. Adapting a larger caliber centerfire pistol to run on 22lr is always a series of compromises.
 
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