Where's the compromise? A dedicated replacement slide is only using the same frame, everything else is purpose built for .22 caliber shooting. Now the cheap conversion for an AR to shoot .22 is a compromise, these not so much.
I don't know that it will be any less finnicky than a conversion kit.
The gold standard is a purpose-built 22lr pistol like the Ruger Mark iii. Adapting a larger caliber centerfire pistol to run on 22lr is always a series of compromises.
I don't know that it will be any less finnicky than a conversion kit.
The gold standard is a purpose-built 22lr pistol like the Ruger Mark iii. Adapting a larger caliber centerfire pistol to run on 22lr is always a series of compromises.
Where's the compromise? A dedicated replacement slide is only using the same frame, everything else is purpose built for .22 caliber shooting. Now the cheap conversion for an AR to shoot .22 is a compromise, these not so much.
I'm not particularly enthused by the Ruger mk2/3. I shot the mk3 and I can definitely appreciate it's simplicity and accuracy, but it's really front heavy and I kept aiming low before I dialed it in. I don't think the front-heaviness made me aim low; I think it had something to do with the angle of the grip. My wrist did not feel natural to get a straight shot. Just FYI, I've had numerous injuries to both hands and they're just generally screwed up.
But that being said, if I can find one cheap enough and just go into it as if I'm buying a learning tool, rather than a gun I really like, then I may go for something like that. One major pro about that gun is that there's nothing to it mechanically. Seems like there's not much that can go wrong. I'm just speculating here; like I said, I'm a noob. My first time shooting was Saturday. I'm hooked.
You have a point, although the slide being used is purpose built for a .22 and as such is lighter, it's not at all the same slide being used for the full power cartridge, so there really isn't a compromise, even if it's not a negative word There are a ton of purpose built .22 pistols with slides that are just as reliable as a Buckmark/Mark III, and all of them pretty well equal what you would get from one of the conversions for the Glock, plus you get better ergonomics (IMHO) than the Buckmark/Mark III, I HATE that slanted grip angleYou'll have to excuse me if I'm off base on this, as I dont own a Glock but based on pictures it appears the entire slide actuates during firing (just like a centerfire round)
Which is fine, except you're trying to move a hunk of metal which is proportionally gigantic compared to a purpose-built 22. The compromise is generally a weaker recoil spring which in turn causes the gun to FTF or FTRB more quickly as it becomes dirty.
Look at the amount of mass that cycles on a Mark iii/Buckmark vs a conversion kit. That is the engineering compromise.
You seem to be laboring under the impression that when I said compromise I meant cheap or junk; couldn't be further from the truth. There is value in converting your exact weapon to 22lr for training purposes. That doesn't negate the fact that it is a compromise.
Compromise isn't a negative word.
Where's the compromise? A dedicated replacement slide is only using the same frame, everything else is purpose built for .22 caliber shooting. Now the cheap conversion for an AR to shoot .22 is a compromise, these not so much.
You have a point, although the slide being used is purpose built for a .22 and as such is lighter, it's not at all the same slide being used for the full power cartridge, so there really isn't a compromise, even if it's not a negative word There are a ton of purpose built .22 pistols with slides that are just as reliable as a Buckmark/Mark III, and all of them pretty well equal what you would get from one of the conversions for the Glock, plus you get better ergonomics (IMHO) than the Buckmark/Mark III, I HATE that slanted grip angle
Noob here. What's the most Glock-like 22lr pistol out there? One that doesn't suck (i. e. not ISSC).
Simple isn't a word I'd use for a Mark iii. They are a PITA to detail strip. And TBH if you have hand issues it might be an impossibility for you to strip it without modifications - part of the process involves a vice and a rubber mallet...
If you didn't care for the Mark iii, how about the Smith & Wesson 22A? Keep in mind it comes in multiple lengths so you can find one that fits your particular need for balance.
A Ruger SR22.
The S&W 22a is definitely a cool looking gun! I'll make sure to rent it and see how I like it. One thing I don't like is the cheapo nylon bushing attached to the guide rod that needs to be replaced every X rounds. That just sounds like "woops" engineering to me.
I watched a video on disassembling a Ruger mk III... FORGET IT. That's out.
I was eyeing this. On paper, I really like this gun. I'll definitely have to rent one and check it out. It's actually at the top of my list, to be honest. The only thing I don't feel happy about is the plastic guide rod, but that's easily replaceable with a steel one, so if it ends up looking bad after a while, a cheap upgrade is available. I checked out a video for the disassembly and it's definitely easy. The only thing that would make me not like this gun would be putting it in my hand and simply not liking it.
The S&W 22a is definitely a cool looking gun! I'll make sure to rent it and see how I like it. One thing I don't like is the cheapo nylon bushing attached to the guide rod that needs to be replaced every X rounds. That just sounds like "woops" engineering to me.
I watched a video on disassembling a Ruger mk III... FORGET IT. That's out.
I was eyeing this. On paper, I really like this gun. I'll definitely have to rent one and check it out. It's actually at the top of my list, to be honest. The only thing I don't feel happy about is the plastic guide rod, but that's easily replaceable with a steel one, so if it ends up looking bad after a while, a cheap upgrade is available. I checked out a video for the disassembly and it's definitely easy. The only thing that would make me not like this gun would be putting it in my hand and simply not liking it.
So I got a Dan Wesson Valor-Bobtail (V-Bob) duty coat and I'm LOVING it! I picked up 3 Wilson 47 mags to go along with the 2 Checkmate mags it came with and have about 350-400 rounds through her. Thus far i can say I needed to get the rear sight adjusted as she was quite a bit left (need a smidge more after a trip to the gunsmith and range), other than that the trigger is VERY nice. little take up and a VERY clean crisp break. Only con i can come up with is the strapping is quite aggressive and after 3-4 mags it makes it self known.
What's the point of a .22 anymore? I mean, if you can still buy big bulk boxes of .22 for beans, then I guess I can see it; but .22 still seems to be the most universally hard to find, highly overvalued ammo. Might as well just shoot 9mm. Or a gas-operated airsoft gun...that's honestly what .22 pistols remind me of.
Granted, that's a bit colored by a) stupid ammo prices and b) that handguns with a box mag and a slide seem to jam on cheap .22. Generally, I just wouldn't ever own any mag-fed rimfire. Or rimmed centerfire, for that matter...it just doesn't work well. Save it for the wheelguns or tube-fed rifles.
Speaking of which, does anyone know if there are any lever action rifles out there for reasonable money? Replicas from the typical Italian suspects are way more pricey than their revolvers...just can't see dropping a grand on an Uberti 1873 repeater.
There's lots of reasons to shoot .22LR:What's the point of a .22 anymore? I mean, if you can still buy big bulk boxes of .22 for beans, then I guess I can see it; but .22 still seems to be the most universally hard to find, highly overvalued ammo. Might as well just shoot 9mm. Or a gas-operated airsoft gun...that's honestly what .22 pistols remind me of.
I've found myself wanting my Kahr CM9 back, and a desire to blow a few hundred bucks on something budget-minded.
I then defaulted to the gun owner/unwealthy semi-collector mindset (i.e. you like guns, but lack the financial means to just buy all kinds of extravagant silliness 'just because') and wanted to own something better than what I had before. Now I'm eyeing K9's really hard and trying to convince myself that it would be dumb to buy one because a) Kahrs, unlike most of what I own, are depreciating assets. Sitting on a shelf, they are not the practical equivalent of a stack of cash in the amount that I paid for them (or more). This is unfortunate but true. And b) my P239 DAK already fills this niche category of double-action single-stack non-polymer 9mm [sub]compact (little smaller than most compacts, but still 3 fingers on the grip). Heh...that sounds even more specific when I type it out. And the Sig is just a better gun that will always be worth about what I paid.
Anybody owned both the metal and polymer Kahrs? I've never shot the expensive ones, so I'm wondering if the trigger is much different from the CW/CM series. If I'm gonna through down K9 or MK9 money, I'm thinking it would be better spent on a good SA/DA doublestack companion to the small Sig. Or a .45 P220...wish they were cheaper.
/musings
And re: 22LR...meh. I guess I just see it as...guns are gonna be expensive. And I'd rather shoot cheap handguns and rifles than .22's of most any price. It really only gets me going if you suppress it...I wish .22 suppressors weren't so hard to find and/or expensive relative to the cost of ammo or the firearms. $300 or less on a Mosquito or similar, but with tax stamp, a minimum of about $500 to add a suppressor. More like 600-800, as cheap stuff like the Gemtech Outback is never in stock.
Noob here. What's the most Glock-like 22lr pistol out there? One that doesn't suck (i. e. not ISSC).
You can silence a 22 cheaply and easily: Aguila Colibri.
I replaced the slick wood grips on my 625JM with a set of VZ tactical diamond N-Frame grips in Predator green this week, and picked up some more moon clips.
I hated the slick wood grips after shooting it last weekend, so I found the VZ's on amazon. They are amazing, and I now want to get sets of them the rest of my S&W revolvers.