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[IGemini]

I dont know what SL means. I guess its German for "single stack".

All P230/232s are single stack but not all are "SL." It indicates the stainless steel model.

They won't, for the same reason that the FBI dropped it. It's too much for joe average to handle.

.40 is probably out. Part of the reason they're dropping the M9 is because they say maintenance costs are becoming an issue. Most .40s that I know of are based on 9mm designs. I doubt they'll hold up to long term use and abuse well enough. Unless some ambitious company decides to design a new .40 from scratch...

I really can't see the army adopting another single stack .45 design. The P227 and FNX-45 will probably be strong contenders though. But I wouldn't be surprised if they just go with another 9mm.

I was going to say the exact same thing about the 10mm. But I think there's equal chance the Army will go with .40S&W or readopt .45ACP. Modern pistols are usually designed around the .40 first, the USP for example (which I'd also put as a good contender for the MHS).

I'm not convinced that a manual safety will be a necessity either. During the M9 trials the P226 passed all the tests, SIG just wanted more money for what they were offering so Beretta won the contract.

 

[shortylickens]

SIG offered a better weapon, but the fed was so desperate to save a little cash they went with Beretta. Considering the trillions we spent on the military it probably would have been better to use a higher quality product.

Sorry if I sound biased. I used them on security duty at China Lake. Those things are shit.

 

[PliotronX]

SIG offered a better weapon, but the fed was so desperate to save a little cash they went with Beretta. Considering the trillions we spent on the military it probably would have been better to use a higher quality product.

Sorry if I sound biased. I used them on security duty at China Lake. Those things are shit.

I heard a long time ago that there was some kind of trade agreement with Italy to contract a weapon of theirs and so the M9 it was..

 

[FallenHero]

FTFY.



They won't, for the same reason that the FBI dropped it. It's too much for joe average to handle.

.40 is probably out. Part of the reason they're dropping the M9 is because they say maintenance costs are becoming an issue. Most .40s that I know of are based on 9mm designs. I doubt they'll hold up to long term use and abuse well enough. Unless some ambitious company decides to design a new .40 from scratch...

I really can't see the army adopting another single stack .45 design. The P227 and FNX-45 will probably be strong contenders though. But I wouldn't be surprised if they just go with another 9mm.

Edit: I wonder if this might prompt Glock to make models with an external safety? It looks like it wouldn't be that hard put it in the same place as the G18's selector switch. That could make the G17 and G21 contenders as well.

I dunno. Over the length of multiple contracts, a company may as well design a gun around the .40 as they not only will sell millions to the military, but law enforcement and civilians alike will eat up plenty. It would probably be worth the R&D costs, and I have little doubt that there are probably plenty on the drawing board of major companies waiting for something like this.

 

[MongGrel]

Nah I better not do that.

 

[z1ggy]

Guys, I need some quick help. I'm looking to sell my used m&p9, it's in pretty much perfect shape, it's only seen maybe.. 500 rounds through it, although I may put another few hundred in it to use up my ammo before I try to sell it.

First question is, how much is it worth? Second is, can I sell this on gun broker (obviously I know I need to transfer it through an FFL) or do I need to just sell it to a gun store? I know I will probably get shafted if I do the latter.

 

[TerryMathews]

Guys, I need some quick help. I'm looking to sell my used m&p9, it's in pretty much perfect shape, it's only seen maybe.. 500 rounds through it, although I may put another few hundred in it to use up my ammo before I try to sell it.

First question is, how much is it worth? Second is, can I sell this on gun broker (obviously I know I need to transfer it through an FFL) or do I need to just sell it to a gun store? I know I will probably get shafted if I do the latter.

A good rule of thumb for a 95%+ condition example is 75% retail if you're willing to sit on it, 50% if you want it to move quickly.

The answer to your other question is going to vary wildly by state law. Your state may even allow for private party "face-to-face" transactions. Mine does.

 

[z1ggy]

A good rule of thumb for a 95%+ condition example is 75% retail if you're willing to sit on it, 50% if you want it to move quickly.

The answer to your other question is going to vary wildly by state law. Your state may even allow for private party "face-to-face" transactions. Mine does.

I'm willing to sit on it. I don't need to sell it really.. I just don't really use it much (I carry my smaller .380 now) and it's money I could use to pay off debt or something.

Mine does not. All sales must go through an FFL dealer. Im pretty sure I can list it on gunbroker, then just transfer it to a new owner for the $50 FFL fee.

I know this firearm brand new is worth around $500-550.

 

[Merad]

A good rule of thumb for a 95%+ condition example is 75% retail if you're willing to sit on it, 50% if you want it to move quickly.

No way. Unless maybe the used handgun market totally sucks in your area. On the gun forum I frequent, lightly used Glocks for example will sell all day for $475-500 (retail price should be 500-550). 75% of retail (~$375) would be a total steal and would sale in minutes. There are less popular guns to be sure, but very few that I would use 75% of retail as the starting price. A M&P9 I'd probably start around $400 and drop the price every week or so if you don't get any nibbles.

 

[phucheneh]

A good rule of thumb for a 95%+ condition example is 75% retail if you're willing to sit on it, 50% if you want it to move quickly.

The answer to your other question is going to vary wildly by state law. Your state may even allow for private party "face-to-face" transactions. Mine does.

...seriously? 95% condition gets 50-75%? I live in a place with abundant used guns (i.e. on common guns, market is flooded) and used guns with only minor wear from shooting get like 90-100% of their brand-new cost. Assuming you buy new from Bud's and not some assraping >MSRP LGS. By minor wear, I mean stuff like finishes wearing off the top of the barrel or locking block, but everything else is like new- no scratches, dings, and whatnot.

There are some exceptions. You can easily pay 900-1000 bucks for a run of the mill Sig at a LGS. Resale will probably be 600-700 whether is has 100 or 1000 rounds through it.

But a $500 M&P? As long as it's in good shape, I'd expect $450 if sold privately.

 

[TerryMathews]

...seriously? 95% condition gets 50-75%? I live in a place with abundant used guns (i.e. on common guns, market is flooded) and used guns with only minor wear from shooting get like 90-100% of their brand-new cost. Assuming you buy new from Bud's and not some assraping >MSRP LGS. By minor wear, I mean stuff like finishes wearing off the top of the barrel or locking block, but everything else is like new- no scratches, dings, and whatnot.

There are some exceptions. You can easily pay 900-1000 bucks for a run of the mill Sig at a LGS. Resale will probably be 600-700 whether is has 100 or 1000 rounds through it.

But a $500 M&P? As long as it's in good shape, I'd expect $450 if sold privately.

Buds is practically wholesale pricing. I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that if the poster didn't know how to manage selling his firearm that he probably paid top dollar at the LGS.

 

[phucheneh]

Well, more importantly, I had a new gunbaby, and it was twins.

I command all of you to go buy one of these. Now. It is literally the best handgun I have ever fired. Yes, I have fired $1000+ guns that do not hold a candle. And these were about 700 bucks. For the pair.

Recoil is nearly nonexistent. There is no up/down movement of the sights- you have to tweak the left/right a little bit before your follow-up, but the front sight post never gets lost, and if you want, you can really double-tap with impunity...if your form is at all decent, the second round will still land pretty close to the first.

Total SA trigger travel is about 4mm. Reset is maybe 2mm.

 

[z1ggy]

Buds is practically wholesale pricing. I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that if the poster didn't know how to manage selling his firearm that he probably paid top dollar at the LGS.

Actually, I bought it from a friend. He bought it brand new for the full retail price of like $500, from a LGS. I think he shot 100 rounds and sold it to me for $400 because he needed cash ASAP and probably because we were buddies. I then put another... maybe 100? or so rounds in it. Like I said, I carry my .380 so I mainly shoot that. I just wanted the m&p for funsies, but it turns out I never actually use it.

In this state, no face to face gun sales, unless it's a direct relative I believe. So yeah I can post it on gunbroker.com or something.

Do they take a % fee like ebay does (when selling regular items obviously)?

 

[Ricky Spanish]

My one and only, will never give this sweetheart up.

Colt commander 45 series 80.

 

[MongGrel]

My one and only, will never give this sweetheart up.

Colt commander 45 series 80.

Me likee.

Nice.

I kinda feel like that about my old Colt King Cobra .357 myself.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Thanks and a "better" pic, lighting in here sucks and a cellphone camera.

 

[Svnla]

Perfect example of why you need a gun just in case. Funny how Bloomberg and gun control freaks have nothing to say to this couple. The guy in the story said it perfectly, "the police can not protect you".

Link = http://abcnews.go.com/US/brutal-home-invasion-scars-heal/story?id=24588314

Better to have it and never need it rather not to have it and need to use it.

<off the soap box>

 

[HTFOff]

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

 

[Zargon]

Well, more importantly, I had a new gunbaby, and it was twins..

EAA witnes?

 

[phucheneh]

EAA witnes?

Nopers. Tanfoglio Witness P is somewhat similar looking, mostly because it's a CZ clone and this gun has very CZ-derived ergonomics. I do have a SAR B6, which is another EAA import...basically, Tanfo showed the Turkish SAR Arms how to make a copy of the Witness P. They're identical except for branding differences in the frame molds.

I used to think the $300 SAR B6 was a fantastic value. It still is, really, but it does not hold a candle to these.

They are a gun I mentioned a few pages ago. Grand Power P1, a Slovakian gun with 100% original design. Trigger/hammer mech and slide rails are one big metal chunk inside the polymer grip. Super short SA trigger. Rotating barrel similar to a PX4 (better/simpler design, though, IMO). Really, really good performing gun.

Here's a pic that shows what it looks like when field stripped. This is the uber version, for which the major intent is winning IPSC Production competitions. Which they've been doing a good bit of in Europe. Hopefully these will be available in the US by the end of the year.

 

[irishScott]

Perfect example of why you need a gun just in case. Funny how Bloomberg and gun control freaks have nothing to say to this couple. The guy in the story said it perfectly, "the police can not protect you".

Link = http://abcnews.go.com/US/brutal-home-invasion-scars-heal/story?id=24588314

Better to have it and never need it rather not to have it and need to use it.

<off the soap box>

To be fair, decent situational awareness would have done more. Having a gun on you does little good if they get the drop on you like they did on that guy; can't really draw with a revolver pointed at your head. He got lucky that the home invaders got distracted and apparently weren't the murderous type, otherwise we'd be reading about about the aftermath of a brutal home invasion with the man killed, his fiancee raped and then killed.

And case in point:

“I think I’m back to a new normal,” Duffy said. “Absolutely, because there’s definitely a lot more awareness now than there was in the past.”

 

[NutBucket]

For our CA members, Moonbeam signed AB1964 today. After 1/1/15, no more SSE.

 

[slugg]

I have a stupid question about the AK-47... Is there a particular brand that's more authentic than the other? Or are these now banned-from-import Saiga AK47s the only "real" ones?

 

[Kelvrick]

I have a stupid question about the AK-47... Is there a particular brand that's more authentic than the other? Or are these now banned-from-import Saiga AK47s the only "real" ones?

Arsenal ak-47 imports should be your best bet for a "real ak", but pricey. The saiga's are made in the factory in russia and some people consider them a good way to get a nice, updated version of the ak-47 (after you do the conversion). Plenty of other o-pap and n-pap versions in the 500 range as well.

 

[pontifex]

I have a stupid question about the AK-47... Is there a particular brand that's more authentic than the other? Or are these now banned-from-import Saiga AK47s the only "real" ones?

A real AK-47 is full auto.

Saiga's are sporterized versions of the AK, never were the same as a "real" one, even the semi-auto versions.

I'm not sure what is closest to a "real" AK-47.

Try this:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/1...tform__ask_all_new_AK_questions_in_here_.html