YAGT: OMG I love guns

[Fenixgoon]

what's the best place to be panoply patches? i'm out, and i really want to go shooting

edit: amazon has 75ct for $10 prime shipping..picked em up

A burger join with packing heat cute waitresses. The owner is very nice looking too. Too bad they are too far away from me.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-restaurant-serves-big-helping-amendment/story?id=24652271

next time i'm in CO visiting my buddy, i gotta make it a point to stop there

 

[Zargon]

A burger join with packing heat cute waitresses. The owner is very nice looking too. Too bad they are too far away from me.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-restaurant-serves-big-helping-amendment/story?id=24652271

Hoover has been in law enforcement for three decades. In a shooting situation, he said, more guns on scene create more confusion for police trying to secure the shooter. “I don’t know which one is the bad guy, which one is the good guy,” Hoover said.

“I know I’m going to engage the one who’s closest to me," he said, adding, "I hope to God" that person is the bad guy.

dear god take this guys badge away now please.

 

[velillen]

dear god take this guys badge away now please.

That last line of his quote is fing scary. Basically he just admitted he is going to shoot first and ask questions later. So if he sees anyone with a gun he'll drop them just cause they have a gun Oo Scary

I do agree with his first part though. More guns on scene can make it way more confusing for people coming into the situation. But also be pretty easy to sort out too. Hey you drop the gun. Good guy is going to drop the gun and cooperate with police. bad gun is going to shoot at police.

 

[Zargon]

yes exactly.

sad thing is...he'd get a few weeks behind a desk with pay and then be back on the streets

 

[Phoenix86]

dear god take this guys badge away now please.

A quick google search shows he might be a personal injury attorney, not a cop. Notice the "in law enforcement" description, not cop/sheriff/detective.

 

[Zargon]

a lawyer pretending to be a cop? funny

 

[Merad]

dear god take this guys badge away now please.

At least he was willing to admit the truth. It's something that everyone who CCW's needs to be aware of.

 

[clamum]

No, it was $19/Box. $42 and some change out the door for both.

WOW, that is what I used to pay for a 550 round box of Federal .22LR at Walmart back in 2008 or 2009. Holy man now I wanna check out my local Walmart! It would be awesome if they were back down to $20 (AND were in stock, for that matter).

 

[Farmer]

So basically, all the good AK47s won't be able to be imported anymore?

Well, the Arsenal SLR Bulgarian guns are still available. I will argue that Bulgarians have always been the finest AKs available in the US.

The FIME/Izhmash guns are made on the AK100 line, so if you want something as close to the current Russian military issue, maybe you'd consider the Russian guns better, but they are not parkerized under the paint and AK100 parts are not common in the US at all. They coolest thing about them is the Izhmash stamp on the front trunnion, the same one you might have on your Mosin. I have to admit, it's pretty damn cool.

If anything, fit and finish on the SLRs are superior.

Having said that, I bought an extra SGL31 on the chance that would happened. Offers are welcome.

 

[phucheneh]

So a buddy picked this up today.

A female is holding it there. For the lulz. I knew this was a big gun, but you just have no idea until you handle it and see some relative comparisons.

A Witness becomes a pocket pistol.

Sorry for blurriness. Here's a non-blurry one...

The suppressor has to go back to Gemtech for an 'update.' Basically, to cut the end off and attach a new end that accepts different adapters. HK being HK, the Mk23 has different threads than a USP or HK45.

 

[JackBurton]

My friends, I give you, the SilencerCo Salvo 12...

Exhibit #1

Exhibit #2

And guess who's on the waiting list.

 

[JackBurton]

So a buddy picked this up today.

A female is holding it there. For the lulz. I knew this was a big gun, but you just have no idea until you handle it and see some relative comparisons.

A Witness becomes a pocket pistol.


Sorry for blurriness. Here's a non-blurry one...


The suppressor has to go back to Gemtech for an 'update.' Basically, to cut the end off and attach a new end that accepts different adapters. HK being HK, the Mk23 has different threads than a USP or HK45.

The Mark 23 is the only HK with a 16x1 RH twist. All others are LH, which I like. I don't have to send my suppressor back, I just swap out the piston going from my USP to Mark 23. And just a little FYI, the Knights Armament suppressor is the only suppressor supported by HK on the USP and Mark 23. You damage the gun with another suppressor and HK will not cover the cost for repair. Another FYI, after ~3000 suppressed rounds through the USP, you better change out the entire recoil assembly to avoid major damage to the weapon.

 

[shortylickens]

yeah the USP is massive. Thats good if you want a heavy 45 but dont like 1911's.
It would have been an excellent weapon for Robocop had it existed in 1987. Looks more hi-tech than the Beretta.
For most people its not a viable carry pistol. Even HK's micro pistols are quite large.

And they're expensive but thats a different discussion.

 

[phucheneh]

Yeah, his doesn't have the interchangeable pistons. Hence the 'update.' I think it's like 200 bucks.

I was unaware of the voided warranty thing. I gotta think that, their service being what it is (pretty damned good), if you send them a broken Mk23 they'll probably fix it. But that's just speculation. Is there some certain thing that can happen that would instantly through 'this dude used the wrong suppressor!' flags? Or any stories of HK actually refusing to fix a gun? I'm just curious.

I doubt his USP even has 500 rounds through it with the suppressor. Maybe between 1-2k without. I'll ask him if he knows about the more frequent service intervals. He's probably pretty learned on all this stuff, as he's a pretty big HK enthusiast. This is his fifth .45 from them.

edit: For a carry gun, the HK45c is actually pretty decently compact. I compared his side by side with my P239, and they were damn near the same dimensions in all directions. Basically, anything post-USP has really cut down on the chunky brick-ness.

 

[JackBurton]

Yeah, his doesn't have the interchangeable pistons. Hence the 'update.' I think it's like 200 bucks.

I was unaware of the voided warranty thing. I gotta think that, their service being what it is (pretty damned good), if you send them a broken Mk23 they'll probably fix it. But that's just speculation. Is there some certain thing that can happen that would instantly through 'this dude used the wrong suppressor!' flags? Or any stories of HK actually refusing to fix a gun? I'm just curious.

I doubt his USP even has 500 rounds through it with the suppressor. Maybe between 1-2k without. I'll ask him if he knows about the more frequent service intervals. He's probably pretty learned on all this stuff, as he's a pretty big HK enthusiast. This is his fifth .45 from them.

I have a few HKs, HK 45 Tactical (full FDE), USP Tactical 45, and Mark 23. Planning on getting another HK 45 Tactical in black. Anyway, most people aren't aware of the issue, but it's not limited to just HK. Using a suppressor adds quiet a bit of extra pressure, which causes parts to wear quicker. It's an easy fix if you are aware of this. Just order an extra recoil assembly for ~$100 and swap it out every ~3000 rounds. Problem solved. Otherwise you may end up with a totally seized weapon.

Example 1

And just to be clear, I'm not saying to use the Knights Armament suppressor. Just saying HK won't cover the cost of the repair if you run into problems with anything other than that suppressor. I personally use a SilencerCo Osprey 45 and will hopefully soon have an AAC Ti-Rant 45 as well. Just be mindful of the maintenance required after so many suppressed rounds.

 

[IGemini]

Just finished installing an Apex polymer AEK trigger on my M&P9c.

This was just the trigger itself and not the sear kit, but it makes a big difference. Cut down on a lot of the grittiness and feels much more stable than the stock two-piece hinged trigger.

Installing was an interesting experience but it was a nice opportunity to also do a detailed cleaning. Haven't gotten it to the range yet but already seems like a nice upgrade for $50.

 

[velillen]

Just finished installing an Apex polymer AEK trigger on my M&P9c.

My dad had the Apex kit put in his M&P45...what a difference it made! Youll love it once ya shoot it




I picked up a S&W 1076. Didnt get a great deal on it but didnt get ripped off either. Sort of average pricing. Bout it from a pawn shop and it only came with 1 mag, no box, and the original owner kind of chewed up the hogue grips putting them on. Gun was it ok condition, trigger was a bit grity, hadnt been cleaned in awhile, and the finish shows it has been either tossed around or carried (could go either way).

But totally stripped it. Put it in the sonic cleaner. It cleaned up pretty dang well. The trigger is back to being....well...a 1000 series trigger lol. Finish still looks the same.

But overall Im happy. The 1076's are getting a bit harder to find so im happy with my purchase.

Be fun to get it out to the range. Its a beast and is heavy so be fun to see how it handles my hotter 10mm loads and i might have ot load up some even hotter ones to really push it.

 

[phucheneh]

I have a few HKs, HK 45 Tactical (full FDE), USP Tactical 45, and Mark 23. Planning on getting another HK 45 Tactical in black. Anyway, most people aren't aware of the issue, but it's not limited to just HK. Using a suppressor adds quiet a bit of extra pressure, which causes parts to wear quicker. It's an easy fix if you are aware of this. Just order an extra recoil assembly for ~$100 and swap it out every ~3000 rounds. Problem solved. Otherwise you may end up with a totally seized weapon.

Example 1

And just to be clear, I'm not saying to use the Knights Armament suppressor. Just saying HK won't cover the cost of the repair if you run into problems with anything other than that suppressor. I personally use a SilencerCo Osprey 45 and will hopefully soon have an AAC Ti-Rant 45 as well. Just be mindful of the maintenance required after so many suppressed rounds.

So I found out my good friend is an HK fanboy, I guess. I knew he was a 'fan.' But he's officially edged over into one of the crazies that thinks the company can do no wrong.

I asked about the 'unapproved suppressors' thing. Got a response of 'yeah, they have to say that, but they'll still warranty it.' Eh, okay, you know the company more than I do. But then he got seriously butthurt when I asked about the recoil spring assembly thing. Pretty innocent, asked if there was any standard interval. It pretty much ended with 'the Tactical is special; the recoil spring will last forever' and my best WTF face. I'd probably be one to err on the side of caution and replace it more often than 'never,' but all I said was just that physics kind of disagreed with the concept of 'lasting forever.' Which was apparently an attack on HK.

Anyway, he'll get over it. But what really sucks?

...the Mk23 kind of shoots like trash. I really, really dislike the trigger. It reminds me of when you're going down a flight of stairs quickly, and you think you're on the last step, but you're not, and drop down two steps without realizing it and almost fall on your face (other people do that, right?). The SA triggers feels okay if you casually dry fire it...but at the range, while trying to focus on sight picture and general technique...the break is just nonexistent. There is take up, there is break, and there is overtravel...and you can't tell which is which. A light pull is nice, but not when the there is no indication of when the break is going to occur; and it's way later than expected. I kept shoving the gun downward...I'm not sure if there's a name for what I was doing, but I somehow invented the opposite of 'short stroking.' Never experienced such a problem before.

 

[JackBurton]

So I found out my good friend is an HK fanboy, I guess. I knew he was a 'fan.' But he's officially edged over into one of the crazies that thinks the company can do no wrong.

I asked about the 'unapproved suppressors' thing. Got a response of 'yeah, they have to say that, but they'll still warranty it.' Eh, okay, you know the company more than I do. But then he got seriously butthurt when I asked about the recoil spring assembly thing. Pretty innocent, asked if there was any standard interval. It pretty much ended with 'the Tactical is special; the recoil spring will last forever' and my best WTF face. I'd probably be one to err on the side of caution and replace it more often than 'never,' but all I said was just that physics kind of disagreed with the concept of 'lasting forever.' Which was apparently an attack on HK.

Anyway, he'll get over it. But what really sucks?

Sounds like he is going to have to learn the hard way.

...the Mk23 kind of shoots like trash. I really, really dislike the trigger. It reminds me of when you're going down a flight of stairs quickly, and you think you're on the last step, but you're not, and drop down two steps without realizing it and almost fall on your face (other people do that, right?). The SA triggers feels okay if you casually dry fire it...but at the range, while trying to focus on sight picture and general technique...the break is just nonexistent. There is take up, there is break, and there is overtravel...and you can't tell which is which. A light pull is nice, but not when the there is no indication of when the break is going to occur; and it's way later than expected. I kept shoving the gun downward...I'm not sure if there's a name for what I was doing, but I somehow invented the opposite of 'short stroking.' Never experienced such a problem before.

Might be something that you just need to get used to. The Mark 23 is accurate as hell and the extra weight helps recoil. That being said, I actually like my USP Tactical 45 better, and LOVE the HK 45 Tactical. If your friend has that gun, give it a shot. Love it!

 

[IGemini]

...the Mk23 kind of shoots like trash. I really, really dislike the trigger. It reminds me of when you're going down a flight of stairs quickly, and you think you're on the last step, but you're not, and drop down two steps without realizing it and almost fall on your face (other people do that, right?). The SA triggers feels okay if you casually dry fire it...but at the range, while trying to focus on sight picture and general technique...the break is just nonexistent. There is take up, there is break, and there is overtravel...and you can't tell which is which. A light pull is nice, but not when the there is no indication of when the break is going to occur; and it's way later than expected. I kept shoving the gun downward...I'm not sure if there's a name for what I was doing, but I somehow invented the opposite of 'short stroking.' Never experienced such a problem before.

Sounds like wrist breaking down. I get that from fatigue of handling front-heavy pistols for a while. For you it sounds like anticipating the break too early is making you force the trigger. Focus on smoothly squeezing the trigger all the way back instead of finding the break, it's probably the best way to shoot anything you haven't fired before.

 

[Tiamat]

I'm a "one and done" kinda guy when it comes to purchases. Would it be a mistake to get the geiselle sd-e trigger vs the ar-gold? I don't care for the added complexity of the geiselle hsm trigger, just seems like more things to have to take the time to adjust and tinker with (I'm not interested in tinkering). 99.99% shooting paper, varmint sized targets 50-300 yards no rapid fire like 3-gun. I have a flat trigger in my Kidd ruger 10/22 and I like the feel of it. But I also am not sure if the 3.5 lb pull is ideal for my use vs the sweet 1911-like pull of the gold trigger... Thoughts?

 

[phucheneh]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I just couldn't put my finger why it happened so badly with that particular gun. I really would have to call it the 'worst smoothest trigger' I've felt. I'm thinking the big fat-ass grip (and hence length of pull) may have been a factor, too.

I'm 6'3 with average hands and I couldn't even reach the slide release on that gun. Really, really just too big a gun.

To really hammer in how important a good trigger is above all else- I could hit in the center ~6 inches of a target at 25 yards with my 2" barreled Colt.

I couldn't hit the target (as in, the paper, at all) with the Mk23.

 

[IGemini]

I'm a bit less critical of triggers, I think. The only two things that bug me are reset distance and really heavy pull (12+ lbs), in that order. The M&P has one of the vaguest triggers I've experienced but out of the box I had no problem with accuracy. As long as the trigger resets behind my natural resting point, I can fire all day. It's why I chose that over the P250 when shopping for a compact carry...the P239 has a long DA-type reset and it felt like a chore to shoot. I got the same vibe from the P250 even though the trigger pull itself is very clean.

I'm a "one and done" kinda guy when it comes to purchases. Would it be a mistake to get the geiselle sd-e trigger vs the ar-gold? I don't care for the added complexity of the geiselle hsm trigger, just seems like more things to have to take the time to adjust and tinker with (I'm not interested in tinkering). 99.99% shooting paper, varmint sized targets 50-300 yards no rapid fire like 3-gun. I have a flat trigger in my Kidd ruger 10/22 and I like the feel of it. But I also am not sure if the 3.5 lb pull is ideal for my use vs the sweet 1911-like pull of the gold trigger... Thoughts?

The Gold trigger seems like the better option. It's a bit more expensive but you're saving yourself time and not having to worry about a lot of mechanical work. I don't think 1lb will make that much of a difference.

 

[phucheneh]

What's weird is that I like the P239 trigger just fine. I bought a DAK one and still had trouble faulting it, as long as I acknowledged its purpose and didn't try to judge it as a target gun. It was easy to get familiar with. Very predictable.

And it's only fitting that I wanted to say that my love affair with my P1 continues.

I just put new sights on it (Dawson). I like my sights like I like my women...chunky, black, and serrated. :awe:

New extended mag release, also.

A female friend (not a shooter) was using it to put multiple bullets through the same hole at about 7 yards. I think the ergonomics and the trigger played a large role.

 

[Tiamat]

The Gold trigger seems like the better option. It's a bit more expensive but you're saving yourself time and not having to worry about a lot of mechanical work. I don't think 1lb will make that much of a difference.

Thanks for your opinion. I was just concerned about the gold because it is considered a 3gun trigger. I don't have access to 3gun like activities so that was my only reservation. The sd-e with the flat blade trigger is a somewhat heavier trigger but with the mechanical advantage of a flat trigger face which allows the trigger finger to depress the trigger at the bottom of the blade rather than the traditional center of the blade on curved triggers. Its one of those tradeoffs in design considerations that I wish I had the luxury of auditioning side by side for an extended period of time.