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[phucheneh]

Out of curiosity, can someone explain to a non-AR person why there are so many, and such expensive, options in AR triggers? I mean, it's just a single-action trigger, right? It's sole purpose is releasing the hammer...where does all the cost come from, and what's going to make one 3-4lb trigger better than another 3-4lb trigger?

I would instinctively say that if it's good for fast-paced competition, it's probably just as good for slow target shooting. Unless you're talking about a whole different level of target shooting...i.e. with super-sensitive hair triggers that would be a little sketchy (or at worst, flat out unsafe) for mobile 'practical shooting' competitions.

 

[MongGrel]

AR's are popular ?

 

[Tiamat]

Out of curiosity, can someone explain to a non-AR person why there are so many, and such expensive, options in AR triggers? I mean, it's just a single-action trigger, right? It's sole purpose is releasing the hammer...where does all the cost come from, and what's going to make one 3-4lb trigger better than another 3-4lb trigger?

I would instinctively say that if it's good for fast-paced competition, it's probably just as good for slow target shooting. Unless you're talking about a whole different level of target shooting...i.e. with super-sensitive hair triggers that would be a little sketchy (or at worst, flat out unsafe) for mobile 'practical shooting' competitions.

The AR, in theory, and perhaps in reality for the best shooters, has multiple roles which desires different trigger profiles. 3 gunners like very short reset for very fast followup shots. Defense guns or high stress situations guns may desire a first stage having some resistance or length. The different triggers available try to tweak portions of the trigger pull to better serve an intended roll. So now you have a market with many slightly different pulls and very similar price. Also, at the $200-$300 range, usually durable materials are used and there is some assurance of longevity. The two I'm looking at supposedly have different pulls, the sd-e is considered an all- around trigger with a first stage offering some resistance with a wall into the candy-cane like second stage. The gold has very minimal first stage and a thin glass rod second stage.

 

[velillen]

The AR, in theory, and perhaps in reality for the best shooters, has multiple roles which desires different trigger profiles. 3 gunners like very short reset for very fast followup shots. Defense guns or high stress situations guns may desire a first stage having some resistance or length. The different triggers available try to tweak portions of the trigger pull to better serve an intended roll. So now you have a market with many slightly different pulls and very similar price. Also, at the $200-$300 range, usually durable materials are used and there is some assurance of longevity. The two I'm looking at supposedly have different pulls, the sd-e is considered an all- around trigger with a first stage offering some resistance with a wall into the candy-cane like second stage. The gold has very minimal first stage and a thin glass rod second stage.

Thats pretty much it. Theres so many different uses for the AR and hence why so many different trigger. Each one trying to meet a specific area.

For just a defensive use gun...a simple ALG trigger is a great upgrade. And fairly cheap too. but you can also just switch springs and keep the stock "mil-spec" trigger too

Then for target shooting type applications many people like single stages (me included) so you have options there. No creep, short reset, light trigger pulls

Then you have competition guys who often like 2 stage trigger. First stage having some resistance to it and the second often being light. Gives you the light trigger pull but also has the first stage to prevent accidentally shooting when you didnt mean too.



Then even in those categories you have lots of opinions so even more options. Some people want a very light single stage while others like more along 3lb range. Same with two stage. Some want light on both stages. Some want light first and heavy second. Some light first heavier 2nd. And some want more of a middle ground on both.

Its one of the nice things about having an AR. you can have a trigger that matches your style of shooting



I have a Timney Single stage (3lb) in my more target rifle. And a Gieselle SSA-E in my "have fun and shoot stuff" AR.

 

[Tiamat]

Thats pretty much it. Theres so many different uses for the AR and hence why so many different trigger. Each one trying to meet a specific area.

For just a defensive use gun...a simple ALG trigger is a great upgrade. And fairly cheap too. but you can also just switch springs and keep the stock "mil-spec" trigger too

Then for target shooting type applications many people like single stages (me included) so you have options there. No creep, short reset, light trigger pulls

Then you have competition guys who often like 2 stage trigger. First stage having some resistance to it and the second often being light. Gives you the light trigger pull but also has the first stage to prevent accidentally shooting when you didnt mean too.



Then even in those categories you have lots of opinions so even more options. Some people want a very light single stage while others like more along 3lb range. Same with two stage. Some want light on both stages. Some want light first and heavy second. Some light first heavier 2nd. And some want more of a middle ground on both.

Its one of the nice things about having an AR. you can have a trigger that matches your style of shooting



I have a Timney Single stage (3lb) in my more target rifle. And a Gieselle SSA-E in my "have fun and shoot stuff" AR.

The ssae is similar to the sd-e I'm looking at in terms of weight. Would you say that the ssae is not easy to cloverleaf at 50-100 yards on paper or hit soda can sized targets compared to the timney?

 

[velillen]

The ssae is similar to the sd-e I'm looking at in terms of weight. Would you say that the ssae is not easy to cloverleaf at 50-100 yards on paper or hit soda can sized targets compared to the timney?

Both will work just fine for both of those. The timney is nice for target shooting but would work for anything youd just have to be a bit more careful. It has basically zero pull to it. Put your finger on the trigger and pull (what feels like) an 1/8th of an inch and it fires. Then a very short reset and your on to the next shot.

The SSA-E is also a great trigger. Would work fine for target shooting too. But it does have more pull to it before firing (duh its a two stage ). I dont have it installed right now or id go test it to get a feel again but what i remember is its like 1/8th (maybe 1/4) inch of pull in the first stage then a tad bit more pull and it fires. Then a bit longer of a reset (like 1/4")

 

[phucheneh]

I guess I didn't really understand the one-stage/two-stage thing. I am not much of a connoisseur when it comes to rifles, so I guess I've probably never even felt a 'good' rifle trigger, let alone an excellent one.

Anyhow, here's what I've been doing today:

Finally decided I had put too much effort into this gun to not get it 100% complete. Which...well, it's still obviously not; I just stuck the slide and a grip on to take a pic.

But my blood, sweat, and tears are in that polished frame. That's not plating. It's bare aluminum.

 

[Tiamat]

I guess I didn't really understand the one-stage/two-stage thing. I am not much of a connoisseur when it comes to rifles, so I guess I've probably never even felt a 'good' rifle trigger, let alone an excellent one.

Anyhow, here's what I've been doing today:

Finally decided I had put too much effort into this gun to not get it 100% complete. Which...well, it's still obviously not; I just stuck the slide and a grip on to take a pic.

But my blood, sweat, and tears are in that polished frame. That's not plating. It's bare aluminum.

A good single stage trigger will fire immediately upon slight pressing of the trigger. There are no take backs with single stage triggers. Once you touch the trigger only slight pressure is needed to discharge the weapon. A two stage trigger allows the shooter to depress the trigger partway and then they can change their mind whether to fire or not. The two stage also divides the total weight of trigger pull between the two stages so the second stage is a fraction of the weight of a single stage trigger. By holding the two stage trigger partway, you can get your breathing in sync and sight picture perfect and then discharge the weapon with only a tiny pull. For long distance shooting or tiny target shooting the two stage advantage can become noticeable and helpful.

 

[boomhower]

I'm a fan of two stage triggers. My rifle has the vanilla SSA. The SSA-E is to light for my uses. A good trigger can make a huge difference in you accuracy but your fundamentals have to be right first.

 

[Tiamat]

I'm a fan of two stage triggers. My rifle has the vanilla SSA. The SSA-E is to light for my uses. A good trigger can make a huge difference in you accuracy but your fundamentals have to be right first.

What are your uses? Cqb man sized targets? You are right on fundamentals. I'm trying to improve my unaided off hand shooting. Sometimes its hard to keep the gun still and my arms get tired holding the rifle in ready position. I find myself forgetting to breathe sometimes too lol.

 

[boomhower]

What are your uses? Cqb man sized targets? You are right on fundamentals. I'm trying to improve my unaided off hand shooting. Sometimes its hard to keep the gun still and my arms get tired holding the rifle in ready position. I find myself forgetting to breathe sometimes too lol.

It's a patrol rifle so a light trigger is a big no no. But yes, certainly man sized targets if the need arises.

 

[phucheneh]

Oh yeah, so I finished putting this back together yesterday:

I'm proud of it. To quote a friend- 'No has ever, or will ever again, put that much effort into a Turkish copy of an Israeli copy of an Italian copy of a Czech gun.'

 

[phucheneh]

Hypothetical question: A night sight is found to be completely non-glowing, apparently having leaked out its tritium. Do I have cancer?

 

[Jeeebus]

Hypothetical question: A night sight is found to be completely non-glowing, apparently having leaking out its tritium. Do I have cancer?

Either cancer or a superpower. I'm going with superpower until proven otherwise.

 

[shortylickens]

It doesnt leak. Its part of the plastic in which its been embedded.

If its not glowing, it was cheap garbage and not proper tritium. The stuff gives a bright glow for decades and a weak glow for centuries.

 

[torlen11cc]

Me 2

 

[phucheneh]

It doesnt leak. Its part of the plastic in which its been embedded.

If its not glowing, it was cheap garbage and not proper tritium. The stuff gives a bright glow for decades and a weak glow for centuries.

It was a Meprolight.

And tritium is a gas held in a glass vial.

 

[Brian Stirling]

AR's a popular for many reasons not the least of which is the fact that the reflexive anti-gun crowd hates them.

Other than that they are pretty good all around rifles that are: pretty accurate, powerful enough, cheapish ammo, and capable of limitless upgrade and modification. It's not perfect and perhaps it's greatest weakness is marginal power, particularly with the shorter barrel versions. There have been many efforts at bringing a new combat rifle with more power but it's hard competing against a system, read that SYSTEM, that's evolved and expanded for more than 50 years.

Whatever they come up with that finally replaced the 5.56 rifle will likely be pretty close to what Stonner came up with nearly 60 years ago.

I have a Bushmaster Varminter with a 24" barrel and just ordered a RRA R3 Competition rifle. The R3 is about 6" shorter and almost 2 pounds lighter but with an 18" barrel it won't be giving up too much to the Varminter in terms of velocity and energy.


Brian

 

[shortylickens]

Oh, ok.

 

[Micrornd]

Whatever they come up with that finally replaced the 5.56 rifle will likely be pretty close to what Stonner came up with nearly 60 years ago.

I assume you mean an AR-10?
I'm all for that.
I'd love to own a genuine Portuguese model AR-10.

 

[Svnla]

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Agree, disagree, meh? What say you, gunowners.

 

[Genx87]

AK-47 is not the most user friendly gun on the planet. The ergonomics of the gun are terrible.

 

[Merad]

AK-47 is not the most user friendly gun on the planet. The ergonomics of the gun are terrible.

User friendly != ergonomic.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

AK-47 is not the most user friendly gun on the planet. The ergonomics of the gun are terrible.

User friendly != ergonomic.

It does it's job for what it was made. Any idiot, child, or military combatant can learn to use the gun efficiently, and even tear it down to clean it. No tools needed.

I love the wussys who complain about the "painful" AK recoil when they shoot. They really need to grow a pair.

 

[corwin]

The mini-gun should be #1...it is hands down the badassest gun out there