Awesome! I was going to buy an M&P Shield but now I'll just wait for Glock to release their version.
Awesome! I was going to buy an M&P Shield but now I'll just wait for Glock to release their version.
Why does it look like it has a Gen1 frame? Is that pre-production or what? I know the G42 also looked a bit more tupperware than its modern counterparts (the gen 3's and 4's just look a lot more refined...plastic, but not CHEAP plastic), but that 43 seems even worse.
The '$580' next to it sure doesn't help me to like it...christ. I still say that the Glock is just a terrible platform for a pocket gun...their triggers are too short. And for all that shortness, it's still not a particularly nice, crisp trigger...so none of the extra safety of a DAO/'DAO-like' trigger, without the positives of a nice SA or striker trigger.
Anyway...I'm still looking at 1911's. Still. STILL. This is why I never bothered with these damned things before...I am not the kind of person that can handle this much variety. I feel like noting something that I find curious:
What is with the general fixation on super-strong parts, i.e. forged slides/frames, milled rather than MIM small parts? I'd fallen into this general line of thinking, but have kinda had to catch myself and say WAIT...do any of my other guns even have forged slides? Do any of them NOT have small parts made with cheaper processes? Seems like a cast steel frame and a milled (from billet/bar stock) slide are plenty durable for most purposes. And I've probably got a lot of MIM trigger bars, slide stops, hammers, ect still going strong.
But what really makes it weird for me is the flip side...everyone wants to tell me to avoid these inferior parts, yet the one thing I find really lacking, is the thing that is so much better on all of my other handguns- the quality of the machining. Take, for example, this Thompson/AO that I was just reading a review of...this is an ~$800 MSRP gun (600's street), made in the US from stainless steel:
Holy balls that just looks awful to me. I seem to see the same in ALL the domesticly-made <$1000 1911's. I just don't get it.
Why does it look like it has a Gen1 frame? Is that pre-production or what? I know the G42 also looked a bit more tupperware than its modern counterparts (the gen 3's and 4's just look a lot more refined...plastic, but not CHEAP plastic), but that 43 seems even worse.
The '$580' next to it sure doesn't help me to like it...christ. I still say that the Glock is just a terrible platform for a pocket gun...their triggers are too short. And for all that shortness, it's still not a particularly nice, crisp trigger...so none of the extra safety of a DAO/'DAO-like' trigger, without the positives of a nice SA or striker trigger.
Awesome! I was going to buy an M&P Shield but now I'll just wait for Glock to release their version.
Why does it look like it has a Gen1 frame? Is that pre-production or what? I know the G42 also looked a bit more tupperware than its modern counterparts (the gen 3's and 4's just look a lot more refined...plastic, but not CHEAP plastic), but that 43 seems even worse.
The '$580' next to it sure doesn't help me to like it...christ. I still say that the Glock is just a terrible platform for a pocket gun...their triggers are too short. And for all that shortness, it's still not a particularly nice, crisp trigger...so none of the extra safety of a DAO/'DAO-like' trigger, without the positives of a nice SA or striker trigger.
Anyway...I'm still looking at 1911's. Still. STILL. This is why I never bothered with these damned things before...I am not the kind of person that can handle this much variety. I feel like noting something that I find curious:
What is with the general fixation on super-strong parts, i.e. forged slides/frames, milled rather than MIM small parts? I'd fallen into this general line of thinking, but have kinda had to catch myself and say WAIT...do any of my other guns even have forged slides? Do any of them NOT have small parts made with cheaper processes? Seems like a cast steel frame and a milled (from billet/bar stock) slide are plenty durable for most purposes. And I've probably got a lot of MIM trigger bars, slide stops, hammers, ect still going strong.
But what really makes it weird for me is the flip side...everyone wants to tell me to avoid these inferior parts, yet the one thing I find really lacking, is the thing that is so much better on all of my other handguns- the quality of the machining. Take, for example, this Thompson/AO that I was just reading a review of...this is an ~$800 MSRP gun (600's street), made in the US from stainless steel:
Holy balls that just looks awful to me. I seem to see the same in ALL the domesticly-made <$1000 1911's. I just don't get it.
yeah im not selling my cm9 for a g43, its a lot bigger.....What's MSRP on a CM9? 'Cause you can buy a new one for about $320. And IMO it does 'pocket nine' all upside a Glock's face. If I'm trying to carry for a combo of concealment/safety/effectiveness, I don't see how Glock factors into the equation at all...but that's the thing: Glock made a pocket nine, because Glock fans want a pocket nine. It's not for the rest of us, so I digress.
What looks so bad here?
yeah, everyone bitches about MIM parts but for what most people use the gun for probably never going to have a problem.
yeah im not selling my cm9 for a g43, its a lot bigger.....
machining marks, I assume
I'm a pretty big Glock fanboi but I don't see the appeal of the G43. It looks like it's basically the size of the G26, just a bit slimmer and lighter thanks to being single stack. I'd rather have an extra third of an inch of width in order to get 4 extra rounds. If you really want a single stack the next version of the LC9 and the Shield are going to be quite a bit cheaper.
From what I've read properly made MIM parts are totally the equal of traditional milling or forging, and can be superior (not just from a cost POV). But lots of gun nuts are stuck 50+ years in the past.
machining marks, I assume
The G43's biggest competitor is probably the shield. Which is smaller and holds more rounds. WTF glock.
yee glock weighs less
which is pretty important
But that trigger....is ass. I owned a Glock 21. Biggest complaint was the trigger. Bought my Dan Wesson 1911 and never looked back. :-/
I'm a pretty big Glock fanboi but I don't see the appeal of the G43. It looks like it's basically the size of the G26, just a bit slimmer and lighter thanks to being single stack. I'd rather have an extra third of an inch of width in order to get 4 extra rounds. If you really want a single stack the next version of the LC9 and the Shield are going to be quite a bit cheaper.
From what I've read properly made MIM parts are totally the equal of traditional milling or forging, and can be superior (not just from a cost POV). But lots of gun nuts are stuck 50+ years in the past.
MIM parts will not equal a forged part in all aspects...but they have enough of the right stuff to do the job.
just sayin'
Mim can be fine...or it can be prone to failure. Depends on the process is the general consensus I've seen. I see no need to replace MIM parts outright, unless it's something like an extractor or something under *a lot* of stress.
which is why i said for the right situation, they are fine. but MIM is not going to have the same fatigue, crack growth, or fracture toughness properties as a forged part. it's just inherent to the process.
But that trigger....is ass. I owned a Glock 21. Biggest complaint was the trigger. Bought my Dan Wesson 1911 and never looked back. :-/