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gorcorps

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Review time with pictures! Just because. :awe:

So you guys don't suggest getting the 1911 9mm then? I'm trying to figure out where I could go to test these guns (doubt guns have a return policy, lol), but no where here comes to mind. The gun show is coming in a couple weeks though.

I wouldn't. The couple I know with 9mm 1911s have cycle problems with 115 gr rounds (the most common and cheapest). 1911s are meant to be run with the 45 which has enough kick to move that slide without issue. The 9mms with the lighter rounds sometimes have problems with short cycling, and your brass won't eject fully and can jam. Remember your physics... equal and opposite reactions. Any force applied to the round going forward is also applied to the slide to cycle it, and a smaller round might not have enough force to fully cycle a heavy 1911 slide every time.
 

schneiderguy

Lifer
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The Glock is striker fired, the Ruger SR22 should have an external hammer:



That's the safety and slide release on the CZ.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
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I wouldn't. The couple I know with 9mm 1911s have cycle problems with 115 gr rounds (the most common and cheapest). 1911s are meant to be run with the 45 which has enough kick to move that slide without issue. The 9mms with the lighter rounds sometimes have problems with short cycling, and your brass won't eject fully and can jam. Remember your physics... equal and opposite reactions. Any force applied to the round going forward is also applied to the slide to cycle it, and a smaller round might not have enough force to fully cycle a heavy 1911 slide every time.

My 9mm 1911's have been just as reliable as my 45 1911's. They'll cycle 115 through 145gr from all the bulk manufacturers, remington, cci blazer (aluminum and brass), federals, s&b. I've had no problems with factory reloads either. I've taken my springfield and s&w to idpa and trainings where they're going through 11 rounds under a few seconds. All models/makes have duds. I'd say the 1911's more than the cheaper plastic or metal models.

You're talking physics like there is no variable likes springs in the way that are changed to different weights to compensate for the 9mm. How different is a steel 5" 1911 slide than any other steel slide anyway? Do you consider any other 5" 9mm models unreliable?
 
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schneiderguy

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Got it, thanks. I have some googling to do. Any pros/cons for either or is it negligible (striker vs hammer fired)? The slide release is just the little button you press to let the clip out? Fucker is huge on the CZ.

Striker fired pistols will generally be more reliable than hammer fired (there's less parts so less stuff to break). The CZ75 is probably one of the most reliable hammer fired pistols though.

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gorcorps

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My 9mm 1911's have been just as reliable as my 45 1911's. They'll cycle 115 through 145gr from all the bulk manufacturers, remington, cci blazer (aluminum and brass), federals, s&b. I've had no problems with factory reloads either. I've taken my springfield and s&w to idpa and trainings where they're going through 11 rounds under a few seconds. All models/makes have duds. I'd say the 1911's more than the cheaper plastic or metal models.

You're talking physics like there is no variable likes springs in the way that are changed to different weights to compensate for the 9mm. How different is a steal 5" 1911 slide than any other steal slide anyway? Do you consider any other 5" 9mm models unreliable?

I'm just relaying what experiences I've seen. 1911s are known to have tight tolerances as needed on a metal frame gun. Metal on metal movement is different then steel on polymer, and in my experience 1911 slides are made out of thicker steel than poly guns. Yes, there are spring replacements, and maybe your 1911 was better designed to compensate for any 9mm issues. All I can do is relay what I know, and show you how to spell steel.
 

Kelvrick

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I'm just relaying what experiences I've seen. 1911s are known to have tight tolerances as needed on a metal frame gun. Metal on metal movement is different then steel on polymer, and in my experience 1911 slides are made out of thicker steel than poly guns. Yes, there are spring replacements, and maybe your 1911 was better designed to compensate for any 9mm issues. All I can do is relay what I know, and show you how to spell steel.

Ha! I edited my post before you posted because I realized how stupid that looked.

You posted your experiences and then made a comment regarding physics as if it is a foregone conclusion that the 9mm WILL be more unreliable. I then posted my own experiences asking you what the difference was. Yours were of knowing of some 9mm 1911's while mine were of actually owning and operating them. Granted, still a minuscule sample size. No need to take it personally and resort to finding spelling mistakes.

I'm no expert, but I'd like to know if you have more reasoning behind your distrust of 9mm 1911's. The 1911 was based on 45 ball ammo and didn't have a ramped barrel. Most 1911's you get now come with a ramped barrel to help it with HP ammo and in turn, pointier rounds like the 9mm.

If you're talking a difference of steel on polymer vs steel on steel, then how about other metal/alloy framed 5" 9mms? Sig makes their x5 series in 9mm, and CZ makes their tactical sports in 5.4". I'll point out and admit these are competition models though. The other thing is that even the polymer guns will have metal rails that the slides will ride on. The only thing I can think of that would require additional force would be to overcome the additional friction caused by the larger contact point of a tightly fitted barrel bushing.
 

gorcorps

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Ha! I edited my post before you posted because I realized how stupid that looked.

You posted your experiences and then made a comment regarding physics as if it is a foregone conclusion that the 9mm WILL be more unreliable. I then posted my own experiences asking you what the difference was. Yours were of knowing of some 9mm 1911's while mine were of actually owning and operating them. Granted, still a minuscule sample size. No need to take it personally and resort to finding spelling mistakes.

I'm no expert, but I'd like to know if you have more reasoning behind your distrust of 9mm 1911's. The 1911 was based on 45 ball ammo and didn't have a ramped barrel. Most 1911's you get now come with a ramped barrel to help it with HP ammo and in turn, pointier rounds like the 9mm.

If you're talking a difference of steel on polymer vs steel on steel, then how about other metal/alloy framed 5" 9mms? Sig makes their x5 series in 9mm, and CZ makes their tactical sports in 5.4". I'll point out and admit these are competition models though. The other thing is that even the polymer guns will have metal rails that the slides will ride on. The only thing I can think of that would require additional force would be to overcome the additional friction caused by the larger contact point of a tightly fitted barrel bushing.

It doesn't matter. I think you should re-read my post about it because what you claim as me making a "foregone conclusion" included phrases like: "CAN jam" and "MIGHT not have enough force". I definitely wasn't saying it'll always be a problem... and I'm not sure why you're inferring that was the case.

Also, in the case of the CZ, one of their design perks is a low profile slide. That's one of the reasons I got the CZ... smaller/lighter designed slide.
 

boomhower

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Striker fired pistols will generally be more reliable than hammer fired (there's less parts so less stuff to break). The CZ75 is probably one of the most reliable hammer fired pistols though.

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I disagree. Sigs and HK's are extremely reliable when properly maintained. Striker fired guns just tend to be more reliable when abused and neglected. That said I know from personal experience that Sigs can be abused and neglected and still be dead nuts reliable. I imagine HK's will do the same.
 

Kelvrick

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It doesn't matter. I think you should re-read my post about it because what you claim as me making a "foregone conclusion" included phrases like: "CAN jam" and "MIGHT not have enough force". I definitely wasn't saying it'll always be a problem... and I'm not sure why you're inferring that was the case.

Also, in the case of the CZ, one of their design perks is a low profile slide. That's one of the reasons I got the CZ... smaller/lighter designed slide.

Fine, I took that the wrong way the way you were saying to remember physics since the argument about CAN having a jam or MIGHT not having enough force can be used for any longer steel slide and I was asking about it because you used that statement about 9mm 1911's.

I like CZ's too, I've wanted a tactical sport for a while and like Dan Wessons although I'm disappointed S&W didn't keep Dan in the family and let him move elsewhere. I've been thinking of picking up a Dan Wesson model 15.
 

schneiderguy

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I disagree. Sigs and HK's are extremely reliable when properly maintained. Striker fired guns just tend to be more reliable when abused and neglected. That said I know from personal experience that Sigs can be abused and neglected and still be dead nuts reliable. I imagine HK's will do the same.

Err yeah I forgot about HKs D:
 

pontifex

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Oh yeah, can you guys suggest some nice 9mm revolvers?

that's gonna he hard...not many made and most, if not all, are out of production.

Here's a few:
Ruger 9mm SP101 (out of production)
Ruger Speed-Six (out of production)
S&W 940 (out of production)
S&W 547
Taurus 905

Popular semi-auto primarily:
9mm
.380
.40
.45
.25 acp

Popular revolver primarily:
.38 special
.357 Mag
.44 mag
.44 special
.45 long colt


Now there are some semis that were made shoot revolver rounds and vice versa, but they are fairly rare.
 
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Kelvrick

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that's gonna he hard...not many made and most, if not all, are out of production.

Here's a few:
Ruger 9mm SP101 (out of production)
Ruger Speed-Six (out of production)
S&W 940 (out of production)
S&W 547
Taurus 905

Popular semi-auto primarily:
9mm
.380
.40
.45
.25 acp

Popular revolver primarily:
.38 special
.357 Mag
.44 mag
.44 special
.45 long colt


Now there are some semis that were made shoot revolver rounds and vice versa, but they are fairly rare.

Ruger makes the blackhawk where you can switch out 357 and 9mm cylinders. SA only though.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/49727
 
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pontifex

Lifer
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Got it, thanks. I have some googling to do. Any pros/cons for either or is it negligible (striker vs hammer fired)? The slide release is just the little button you press to let the clip out? Fucker is huge on the CZ.

ouch....go do some learning before you buy anything
 
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