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Bird222

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Dude, your luck, time to start buying lottery tickets.

Put this in my gun today, so much better than the trigger that was in there before.


I kinda want to get one of these but I have a ALG defense trigger and I just don't know if the difference is worth the price.
 

Spoooon

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I kinda want to get one of these but I have a ALG defense trigger and I just don't know if the difference is worth the price.
ALG is run by Bill Geissele's wife from my understanding. I had a Daniel Defense standard mil spec trigger, night and day difference. Quick googling suggests that it's worth the upgrade. No guarantees though.

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Bird222

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ALG is run by Bill Geissele's wife from my understanding. I had a Daniel Defense standard mil spec trigger, night and day difference. Quick googling suggests that it's worth the upgrade. No guarantees though.

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Yeah, I know it's his wife's company. That's why I don't know if it's worth it. How different are they really? The trigger feels fine to me but maybe I'm just ignorant.
 

kinev

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Spoooon

Lifer
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Yeah, I know it's his wife's company. That's why I don't know if it's worth it. How different are they really? The trigger feels fine to me but maybe I'm just ignorant.

I don't know. The Daniel Defense stock trigger ranges from bad to okay. Mine might have been an okay one, had no complaints except that my brother sold me on getting the Geissele. Best money I spent so far I think. Given the price, if you were to buy it, you'll notice a difference whether it's actually there or not.

FWIW:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...iew-alg-defense-quality-mil-spec-qms-trigger/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/04/jeremy-s/ar-15-drop-in-trigger-roundup/
 
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Svnla

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Interesting, but I'm not sure if it will sell well here.

" Suggested retail price? $1,700."

It's not just the reliability that made the AK's popular; it's the cheap cost, too. Import restrictions have driven the costs up here (might be going back down), but I can't see these taking off here at that price point.

The same thing about the AKs from Arsenal. I would not pay such markup price ($1K and up) for AKs.
 

Skel

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Interesting, but I'm not sure if it will sell well here.

" Suggested retail price? $1,700."

It's not just the reliability that made the AK's popular; it's the cheap cost, too. Import restrictions have driven the costs up here (might be going back down), but I can't see these taking off here at that price point.

I highly doubt this will really go far. They've taken the AK and covered it in plastic while putting a weaker bullet in it. I'm honestly not sure what hte point is, beyond someone trying to make money. While I love teh tolerances of the AK, I'm not sure those will play out anywhere near as well with the 5.56, let alone a 9mm... but hey, I can finally put a bottle opener on my AK!
 

Skel

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Yeah, I know it's his wife's company. That's why I don't know if it's worth it. How different are they really? The trigger feels fine to me but maybe I'm just ignorant.

I've always found triggers to be a personal preference thing. While I like the Geissele triggers a lot, my buddy hates them. He like the gritty feeling the stock trigger in his Colt has (no idea why, but that's what he says). My advice is to find someone that has them and test fire them. If they're worth the money then spend it.
 

Spoooon

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I've always found triggers to be a personal preference thing. While I like the Geissele triggers a lot, my buddy hates them. He like the gritty feeling the stock trigger in his Colt has (no idea why, but that's what he says). My advice is to find someone that has them and test fire them. If they're worth the money then spend it.

Good advice. I was nervous that I would either not like the trigger or not notice a difference. Had to trust my brother on it since I couldn't just try it out.
 

clamum

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Finally got my old school M16 clone built last night. Well, there's a couple minor things I want to do before I take a picture but it's together. Now... will it shoot? Haha.

I did have a problem putting the firing pin retaining pin into the bolt carrier group. It's not like I'm a n00b and I've done it a ton of times but man it just did not want to seat all the way in, and as far as I could see the firing pin was in as far as it could go. I seem to recall this happening on the AR pistol I built too now that I think of it. Maybe it's just due to brand new parts?
 

Spoooon

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Finally got my old school M16 clone built last night. Well, there's a couple minor things I want to do before I take a picture but it's together. Now... will it shoot? Haha.

I did have a problem putting the firing pin retaining pin into the bolt carrier group. It's not like I'm a n00b and I've done it a ton of times but man it just did not want to seat all the way in, and as far as I could see the firing pin was in as far as it could go. I seem to recall this happening on the AR pistol I built too now that I think of it. Maybe it's just due to brand new parts?
I've had that, kind of weird. Just won't go in randomly, fiddle with it or take it apart, goes right back together.
 

clamum

Lifer
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I've had that, kind of weird. Just won't go in randomly, fiddle with it or take it apart, goes right back together.
Yeah I took it apart and put it back together and it went a little better but still not smoothly. It's weird... I can look through the hole it goes in and there's not an obstruction there, just a clear path.

One thing I've been wondering for a while: why does everyone fellate BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing)? I swear that company could murder children and oil their rusted rifles with the childrens' blood and people would still say they can do no wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I think they make good stuff and it's actually decently priced, but WHY are they so amazing? What makes them so different than DPMS or Rock River or CMMG? I bet if you took a rifle from the latter three companies (or just about whatever company) and covered up its labels, and told people it was a BCM rifle, they'd fall over themselves to tell you how awesome it is.

So what gives?
 

Spoooon

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Yeah I took it apart and put it back together and it went a little better but still not smoothly. It's weird... I can look through the hole it goes in and there's not an obstruction there, just a clear path.

So what gives?

No idea. When I was shopping around, everything kept coming back to BCM as far as price and reviews go. As you said, you could probably go with any high quality reputable manufacturer and be good to go.
 

Svnla

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Yeah I took it apart and put it back together and it went a little better but still not smoothly. It's weird... I can look through the hole it goes in and there's not an obstruction there, just a clear path.

One thing I've been wondering for a while: why does everyone fellate BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing)? I swear that company could murder children and oil their rusted rifles with the childrens' blood and people would still say they can do no wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I think they make good stuff and it's actually decently priced, but WHY are they so amazing? What makes them so different than DPMS or Rock River or CMMG? I bet if you took a rifle from the latter three companies (or just about whatever company) and covered up its labels, and told people it was a BCM rifle, they'd fall over themselves to tell you how awesome it is.

So what gives?

You realize that you open a can of worms, right? In the AR15.com forum, folks bickered nonstop over which AR maker is the "best". Good luck to get a consensus.

Personally, I think BCM is good, in the same "group" as Daniel Defense, LMT, LaRue, Noveske, Spikes. If I have to pick one, I would pick LMT just because from my research and its reputation, nothing scientific.
 
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Skel

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Yeah I took it apart and put it back together and it went a little better but still not smoothly. It's weird... I can look through the hole it goes in and there's not an obstruction there, just a clear path.

One thing I've been wondering for a while: why does everyone fellate BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing)? I swear that company could murder children and oil their rusted rifles with the childrens' blood and people would still say they can do no wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I think they make good stuff and it's actually decently priced, but WHY are they so amazing? What makes them so different than DPMS or Rock River or CMMG? I bet if you took a rifle from the latter three companies (or just about whatever company) and covered up its labels, and told people it was a BCM rifle, they'd fall over themselves to tell you how awesome it is.

So what gives?

Mostly it involves the quality. Companies like BCM and Noveske have much tighter specs on what they're willing to sell. That normally translates into less problems. That's not to say that everything they make is pure magic, and not to say that companies like DPMS or CMMG make nothing but crap. It's just the odds of getting a part that has defects is higher with some companies. It's a quality vs quantity thing in a lot of those cases. It's def a YMMV thing, but I can say that I've yet to have any issues with anything I've gotten from Noveske, but can't say that about DPMS.
 

madoka

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Personally, I think BCM is good, in the same "group" as Daniel Defense, LMT, LaRue, Noveske, Spikes. If I have to pick one, I would pick LMT just because from my research and its reputation, nothing scientific.

I own ARs from BCM, DD, LMT, and Spikes. I wouldn't put BCM or Spikes in the same category as the others. They are not as good.
 

madoka

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No idea. When I was shopping around, everything kept coming back to BCM as far as price and reviews go. As you said, you could probably go with any high quality reputable manufacturer and be good to go.

I stopped buying from Bravo Company over a non-gun issue. Instead of buying packaging material, every package they sent me was stuffed with new US Postal bubble envelopes in a VERY wasteful manner. They'd use like 20-30 envelopes in a box. In the end, we have to pay for their abuse of free postal materials, so I decided to stop buying them.
 

Spoooon

Lifer
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I stopped buying from Bravo Company over a non-gun issue. Instead of buying packaging material, every package they sent me was stuffed with new US Postal bubble envelopes in a VERY wasteful manner. They'd use like 20-30 envelopes in a box. In the end, we have to pay for their abuse of free postal materials, so I decided to stop buying them.
I could see not wanting to buy for that reason. FWIW, last few bunches of things that I bought were packed normally, stuffed with stickers and baseball caps and regular packing materials.
 

Svnla

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I own ARs from BCM, DD, LMT, and Spikes. I wouldn't put BCM or Spikes in the same category as the others. They are not as good.

That's why I said, can't get consensus of what is a "good/great" AR15 makers. I used to like Colt a lot but since their finance situation heads south, their quality (IMO) heads south too.
 

rudder

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That's why I said, can't get consensus of what is a "good/great" AR15 makers. I used to like Colt a lot but since their finance situation heads south, their quality (IMO) heads south too.

Patriot Ordnance Factory
Daniel Defense
CMMG

But you will pay out the wazoo. Me, I bought a $500 AR from Radical Firearms and it runs like a champ. I run steel ammo through it as well with no issues. Smith and Wesson, Springfield Armory, Ruger all make decent AR-15's as well and way cheaper that the 3 I posted. They are all going to be spec'd the same so just keep some spare parts on hand and you will be good to go.
 

rudder

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Interesting, but I'm not sure if it will sell well here.

" Suggested retail price? $1,700."

It's not just the reliability that made the AK's popular; it's the cheap cost, too. Import restrictions have driven the costs up here (might be going back down), but I can't see these taking off here at that price point.


At $1,700 this rifle is dead on arrival. Arsenal just released an AK at $899 and Ak operators union on youtube is running it through a 5.000 round stress test now. Palmetto State Armory also just released a $399 AK kit with the barrel attached (although they have been having a few issues I hope get worked out).. No one is going to pay that much for an AK. Hate him or not... at least with Trump the AK market has settled down somewhat.
 

Skel

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At $1,700 this rifle is dead on arrival. Arsenal just released an AK at $899 and Ak operators union on youtube is running it through a 5.000 round stress test now. Palmetto State Armory also just released a $399 AK kit with the barrel attached (although they have been having a few issues I hope get worked out).. No one is going to pay that much for an AK. Hate him or not... at least with Trump the AK market has settled down somewhat.

It's going to be a uphill battle but never say never. Noveske's are still selling at $2500, and doing it well too!
 

Raduque

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I still don't have an AR15. Looking at budget models. I want to try and keep it around $600, but it seems like most people shit all over the rifles in that price range. Del-Ton, DPMS, Core, Bushmaster. All of these are at an LGS for between $520-620. They also have an Anderson MSR, but it doesn't have a dust cover or forward assist at $575. What to do, what to do.
 

Svnla

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Patriot Ordnance Factory
Daniel Defense
CMMG

But you will pay out the wazoo. Me, I bought a $500 AR from Radical Firearms and it runs like a champ. I run steel ammo through it as well with no issues. Smith and Wesson, Springfield Armory, Ruger all make decent AR-15's as well and way cheaper that the 3 I posted. They are all going to be spec'd the same so just keep some spare parts on hand and you will be good to go.

I already mentioned DD above in my previous post. DD is not very expensive. IIRC, you can get one for about $1.5K when they have things on sale. Not very familiar with POF and CMMG.

I still don't have an AR15. Looking at budget models. I want to try and keep it around $600, but it seems like most people shit all over the rifles in that price range. Del-Ton, DPMS, Core, Bushmaster. All of these are at an LGS for between $520-620. They also have an Anderson MSR, but it doesn't have a dust cover or forward assist at $575. What to do, what to do.

You can get a cheap AR15 from PSA (Palmetto State Armory) when they have things on sale and free shipping.

Upper - $180, BCG - $70, CH - $20, Lower - $130, free shipping then $15 for FFL fee then you can get a decent cheap gun for about $415. Of course, you will need sight(s), ammo, and mags. Then sling, then scope, then laser, then range time, then.....(I better stop here..hehehehe).
 
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