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herm0016

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Nothing wrong with my bushmaster, stay away from the composite lowers though. Replaced mine with a psa lower.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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I know it's cheaper, but I don't really want to build it or wait for shipping.

You don't have to build anything. Just get the completed upper and lower, put them together within 5 minutes and then you are done.
Can't help with shipping.
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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You realize that you open a can of worms, right? In the AR15.com forum, folks bickered nonstop over which AR maker is the "best". Good luck to get a consensus.

Personally, I think BCM is good, in the same "group" as Daniel Defense, LMT, LaRue, Noveske, Spikes. If I have to pick one, I would pick LMT just because from my research and its reputation, nothing scientific.
LOL, oh yeah, I expected the can of worms but I figured it wouldn't be as bad here since this isn't AR15.com or Reddit (shudder).

Mostly it involves the quality. Companies like BCM and Noveske have much tighter specs on what they're willing to sell. That normally translates into less problems. That's not to say that everything they make is pure magic, and not to say that companies like DPMS or CMMG make nothing but crap. It's just the odds of getting a part that has defects is higher with some companies. It's a quality vs quantity thing in a lot of those cases. It's def a YMMV thing, but I can say that I've yet to have any issues with anything I've gotten from Noveske, but can't say that about DPMS.
I suppose what you're saying makes sense, though I've never seen hard evidence of their tighter specs over competing companies. There's no way I'd use peoples' anecdotal evidence from the Internet to say "well, there's more people reporting problems with CMMG than BCM so BCM must have tighter specs" (I'm not saying you're doing that), but it seems like that's what people are doing. It's just rare to have such a unanimous view of a company so it just makes me honestly curious.

I still don't have an AR15. Looking at budget models. I want to try and keep it around $600, but it seems like most people shit all over the rifles in that price range. Del-Ton, DPMS, Core, Bushmaster. All of these are at an LGS for between $520-620. They also have an Anderson MSR, but it doesn't have a dust cover or forward assist at $575. What to do, what to do.
Pffft. Most of those tools shitting on $600 guns are armchair operators that you should ignore anyway. There's nothing wrong with these $600 rifles you'll see, for 99% of the people that are gonna use it. Like herm0016 said, I'd probably stay away from composite lowers (I don't think they're as durable as the normal aluminum lowers, though again for most people I bet they wouldn't see a difference).
 

Imported

Lifer
Sep 2, 2000
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I had a rear takedown pin from a PSA LPK that wouldn't work push through. Luckily I had a spare CMMG one that worked beautifully in it's place.
 

Skel

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LOL, oh yeah, I expected the can of worms but I figured it wouldn't be as bad here since this isn't AR15.com or Reddit (shudder).


I suppose what you're saying makes sense, though I've never seen hard evidence of their tighter specs over competing companies. There's no way I'd use peoples' anecdotal evidence from the Internet to say "well, there's more people reporting problems with CMMG than BCM so BCM must have tighter specs" (I'm not saying you're doing that), but it seems like that's what people are doing. It's just rare to have such a unanimous view of a company so it just makes me honestly curious.

There's something to be said when most of the world is repeating the same thing. Again, I'm not saying that CMMG puts out nothing but garbage. They just have a higher ratio of issues than BCM or Noveske. At one point (I'm not sure if they changed it or not as I pay little attention to CMMG) they were voiding warranties if you were firing steel ammo. That right there should send a flag to people. Most, if not all of the problems I've seen when I worked with a range were from the 'lower' manufactures of ARs.. your CMMGs, and DPMS and the like. Though.. YMMV.. it's not an exact science. There's factors like use involved.

Pffft. Most of those tools shitting on $600 guns are armchair operators that you should ignore anyway. There's nothing wrong with these $600 rifles you'll see, for 99% of the people that are gonna use it. Like herm0016 said, I'd probably stay away from composite lowers (I don't think they're as durable as the normal aluminum lowers, though again for most people I bet they wouldn't see a difference).

ultimately this is the truth. It really depends on what and how often the AR is used. For the guy that just wants to go to the range once every few months and put 100 rounds down range, the lower cost AR will work for him. If you start really shooting it, and doing competitions then you'll start to see the worth in a AR that's built better. For the guy that just wants one to put in his safe so he can feel like a bad ass. then it doesn't matter what you get.
 

Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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ultimately this is the truth. It really depends on what and how often the AR is used. For the guy that just wants to go to the range once every few months and put 100 rounds down range, the lower cost AR will work for him. If you start really shooting it, and doing competitions then you'll start to see the worth in a AR that's built better. For the guy that just wants one to put in his safe so he can feel like a bad ass. then it doesn't matter what you get.

I plan on shooting more than 100 rounds every 3 months, but I'm not planning on competing with it - I don't really have any interest in gun games.
 

Skel

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I plan on shooting more than 100 rounds every 3 months, but I'm not planning on competing with it - I don't really have any interest in gun games.

For me it boils down to how much I use it, how I'm using it, and resell. I fire a few of my ARs on a regular basis, and one that I mostly use when I competed. The biggest reason I've gone with the higher end ARs though is resell. I know this isn't a big deal for most people, but I like to get my money back out.. at least as much as I can. I can flip a Noveske close to full price as people will pay it. A CMMG won't go easily unless I'm selling it way below cost. Good luck selling an Anderson. Those flooded the market so unless you're good with selling that under half what you paid, it's not going to move. As with all this.. YMMV
 

Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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I can understand that skel, but resell is honestly never a consideration for me for anything I buy.
 

Skel

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I can understand that skel, but resell is honestly never a consideration for me for anything I buy.

Fair enough.. I'm not really so much trying to convince you to spend money on it. Some things are just worth more to some than others. I think you'll be happy with whatever you buy. It sounds like a Noveske would be overkill for what you want to do. It's like getting an Alien ware vs some Dell.. both will do the job, one just does some tasks a bit better..
 

Raduque

Lifer
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I'm leaning towards the Anderson. I would love to be able to up my budget by about a hundred bucks, then I could get an M&P15, but I'm fairly well stuck at $600 for the next six months.
 

kinev

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I'm leaning towards the Anderson. I would love to be able to up my budget by about a hundred bucks, then I could get an M&P15, but I'm fairly well stuck at $600 for the next six months.

Prices are dropping. You can get a great starter AR, a Ruger AR-556, for $479.99 with free shipping.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/148056

Yeah, you have to wait for shipping, but Sportsman's OSS is fast. I usually have my orders at my FFL in about 6 days after ordering. This is a great deal! I paid $540 for mine and think it was worth it. Thinking of getting another. (Can get it for a little cheaper at SG if you want to do the free member trial BS http://www.sportsmansguide.com/prod...matic-556-nato-161-barrel-30-rounds?a=1815207)

Or, M&P-15 II for $498.99 and free shipping (never bought from them).
https://www.gunbuyer.com/smith-and-wesson-m-p-15-sport-ii-5-56mm-16-barrel-30-1-10202-10202-gb.html

If you can't wait a week, then, you'll have to pay the gun store premium (plus tax, probably) or settle for fewer options.
 

rudder

Lifer
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I still don't have an AR15. Looking at budget models. I want to try and keep it around $600, but it seems like most people shit all over the rifles in that price range. Del-Ton, DPMS, Core, Bushmaster. All of these are at an LGS for between $520-620. They also have an Anderson MSR, but it doesn't have a dust cover or forward assist at $575. What to do, what to do.

Well the saying goes... most people don't need a $2000 AR. They need a $600 AR and $1400 worth of training. No need to fear budget AR's.. Some are more budget than others and prone to problems... other run just as good as their higher dollar counterparts. Like I mentioned in a reply earlier... I bought a $500 Radical Firearms AR. The thing runs like a champ. I've known people who owned ATI Omnis and the thing jammed every other mag. Some are finicky with certain ammo or mags.... some are crap builds... but this is true with a lot of guns.

I was always more an AK guy... but picked up an AR just because overall the platform is lighter and more modular. The only thing with budget AR's is the more you shoot one... the more you want to tweak it. They will come with run of the mill triggers... and you will probably end up upgrading that part. Mine has a generic stock which I will definitely get a new one. But that and the trigger is all I will probably change on that. So even with a $500 AR you may end up with a $1000 rifle lol.

The only thing with budget AR's is check reviews and find a company that stands behind their warranty. Some are definitely better than others. Also, parts are cheap and plentiful. have a spare bolt carrier group ready. Keep extra springs around. When something goes wrong you will find these are not overly complex and you learn a lot by fixing it yourself.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Do these count as guns? 2,700 pound projectile with a range of 25 miles

The last time they fired the mark 7 16 inch guns

 

momeNt

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Ruger AR-556 is $479 on grabagun.com

Can't go wrong there.

Would be a good one to start with and learn with and see if you wanted to go up from there. Soon enough you'll be waiting for your 8" noveske barrel and silencerco tax stamps to come in, but in the meantime you'll need something to shoot for the 7-10 month wait.
 

Paladin3

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All the AR-15 talk and the lower prices got me thinking about buying one, but instead I listened to my heart picked up one of these for $200 in like new condition at my local gun shop. Pietta replica of a Remington 1858 New Army black power revolver in .44 caliber. Mine has lighter colored grips than those in this stock photo, but is otherwise identical.

I haven't shot black powder in years, but I have fond memories of a .45 cal Kentucky rifle and matching pistol I grew up with but have since sold. Hopefully this will get me back into the sport and a nice Pennsylvania or Kentucky long rifle will be in my near future.
 
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Svnla

Lifer
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Spoooon

Lifer
Mar 3, 2000
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I think this week I'm gonna sell a bunch of guns and buy either a hooker or a really nice snowblower.

You find the right hooker, maybe kill two birds with one stone.

Got my QD mount for the weapon light from LaRue Tactical. Sort of spendy and unnecessary, but pretty sweet.

 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Some pics of classic AR build. There's a standard OD green cloth sling too but forgot it before taking the pics:



 
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