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corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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Prices have been coming down on 80%'s pretty quick I think. They would be going out of stock at $200 a month ago, but I see them at 150 now reliably from a store and 130 from someone trying to sell it privately.
Yeah I still think they should be less than that considering the work you need to do to finish it...but I suppose the people most interested in them right now are more concerned with the "no paperwork" part than saving any money on them:ninja:

Did a quick search though and found "95%" lowers too, can't say that I see any difference...but lowest price I can find is $125 for non-anodized...maybe when prices back off a bit I'll pick one up for something fun to work on with my kids
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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I have a new scope and rail coming for my Marlin 1895. tired of the scope that is on it trying to destroy my face when I shoot the heavy handloads, so I am making it into a scout rifle.

Found a set of the XS scout rail with ghost ring sights for the Marlin on ebay, and I ordered a Burris 2.75x scout scope with some QD rings for it off of amazon today. Should make for a much nicer shooting rifle, hoping to take it on a hog hunt this summer.

Now I need to sell some scopes on craigslist. Put up an ad for my new in box zeiss conquest, and an old tasco world class 2-7 I have lying around, but so far no takers.

Youll have to tell me how you like the new scope setup on that marlin 1895. Havent gotten to shoot mine yet so ill stick to the stock sights (for now) and stock trigger (plan to get the simple upgrade trigger ive heard great things about)

Since im sure you reload with it, what powder ya pick for it. Seems to be a huge variance on what powder people use for the 45-70.




On another note, finally got my C&R license! Only took 5 weeks which isnt bad at all. And now to spend money and buy more guns! Well just a mosin (or two) and the cmp garand
 

adairusmc

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Jul 24, 2006
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Youll have to tell me how you like the new scope setup on that marlin 1895. Havent gotten to shoot mine yet so ill stick to the stock sights (for now) and stock trigger (plan to get the simple upgrade trigger ive heard great things about)

Since im sure you reload with it, what powder ya pick for it. Seems to be a huge variance on what powder people use for the 45-70.




On another note, finally got my C&R license! Only took 5 weeks which isnt bad at all. And now to spend money and buy more guns! Well just a mosin (or two) and the cmp garand

I will post some of my pet loads when I get home this evening, but yes, I do reload for it.

When I do reloads for it I tend to make them nuclear hot though. The 1895 action can handle it just fine though. Always more fun when there is a sore shoulder, just not fun when the scope tries to murder my eye socket.
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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I will post some of my pet loads when I get home this evening, but yes, I do reload for it.

When I do reloads for it I tend to make them nuclear hot though. The 1895 action can handle it just fine though. Always more fun when there is a sore shoulder, just not fun when the scope tries to murder my eye socket.

I agree. I got the marlin as more of a "fun" shooter for myself over something ot sit and shoot tons and tons. Be sorta like my 44mag. ill have a light, medium, and hot load. Light more for fun extended plinking or newer shooters to the 44mag, medium for my normal practice loads, and hot for well shooting off 24 rounds or so and having the wrist be sore
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Never heard of 80% lowers but that is kinda cool. I'd be down but I have no means to complete the lower.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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Never heard of 80% lowers but that is kinda cool. I'd be down but I have no means to complete the lower.

Dunno where you are, but in Cali, a lot of machine shops will rent out their machines. $50-100 bucks and they'll show you the steps and let you finish your receiver. Obviously not just any machine shop, those that are owned by gun lovers or the actual places that made the 80%'s in the first place.
 

adairusmc

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Jul 24, 2006
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Since im sure you reload with it, what powder ya pick for it. Seems to be a huge variance on what powder people use for the 45-70.


Here are my pet loads for the Marlin 45-70. I typically use either Hornady or Barnes jacketed soft point or hollow point bullets, as that is what I can usually get in quantity locally.

Most of the time I use IMR 4198, and reloader 7 for the heavier bullets.

The top 3 loads I shoot on a regular basis are -

350g Hornady JSP - 53g of 4198
300g Barnes or Hornady SP or HP - 55g of 4198
400g Barnes SP - 57g of Reloader 7

the 300g load isnt too bad and is medium warm (but a lot hotter than the vast majority of factory ammo).

Watch out for the 350 and the 400g loads though, they are 3 and 9 grains over published max loads for modern lever actions, and they hurt a little.
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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I dont use anyones load data without referencing my books so no worries. Was more just curious on powder. Glad to see you have luck with reloader 7 and 4198. Both of which are very close to Accurate 5744 which is the powder i was leaning towards using.

ill only be shooting lead (unless i go hunting, which case ill just buy hunting bulets at that point) so the smaller charges from 5744 are nice! (30-40gr)

But thankfully ill be loading up my first batches with a guy who has bunch of different powders so i can load 10 up of each and try different powders before selecting which one i want to go with

Im a bit of a Accurate powder fan though. have had great luck using it, burns clean, and has been one of the cheaper ones for me.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Okay, just got back from the range again. Last night I took the time to break down my Canik (pronouced Chanique) 55 Shark also known as model T-120 as imported by Tristar Arms.

First off, it bit me. Well, sort of. I went to go take the slide off and it was stuck. I lined up the notches, managed to get the slide stop out, and then tried to push the slide off the front of the frame. I couldn't do it at first. Not sure what was hung up. I was watching a youtube video of how to do it and for them it slid right on off. The slide would go back and forth easy enough, just wouldn't come off the front.

So I braced it and put both of my thumbs on the back of the slide to push it forward with more strength. That did it! Unfortunately my right thumb ran into the top of the rail and the corner of it poked me good enough to draw blood. Damn thing really is a shark!

Anyhow, cleaned it up and tried to determine why the slide was having problems. Couldn't see anything and after that it went on and off easy peasy lemon squeazy.

Comparing the Canik clone version to online pictures I found of both the Jericho 941 and other CZ 75B models, mine looked just as good inside completely disassembled as anything that an official CZ 75b would be done as. Everything was tight, machined well, and looked darn good.

So I hit up the range today with both my Turkish guns. The Girsan 1911 and this Canik. Put another 200 rounds through the Girsan. Fired flawless as ever with good groups. Still really love the gun. It only has a problem with 2 magazines I bought. The 1911 promag. The follower on that mag is plastic and doesn't "flare" out at the spot my other mags flare out. As such it never catches the slide stop and doesn't lock it back. It feeds just fine, but won't ever lock back the slide. A bit annoying, but more a magazine design problems than anything. Although I might be able to find a different slide stop that works with the magazine. However, I have a kimber pro 1911 magazine that is just the opposite. It flares out TOO far. Always screws up the last shot with a failure to eject. The Chip McCormicks, Nighthawks, ACT, and Wilson Combat mags I have run without any problems. I heard this is a common issue with 1911's from the most expensive to the least. Finding the right magazines to use is something a 1911 owner has to take into account. Still I have now about 1600 or so rounds through it. With the only problems those that I noted and I know they are magazine related problems.

The Canik? Well I put 400 with out a single hiccup. If anything the accuracy is even BETTER on it than any other handgun. That's saying quite a bit. I was at the Bass Pro range here and was in the "rifle" lane. It goes out to 40 yards or so. I put the target at max range and was still nailing center every shot. The trigger on it is SWEET! At least in single action mode. Now double action mode on this gun. UGH.... Horrible, sucky, crappy, and makes me want to puke bad. I just won't ever fire the gun in double action again. Easily the worst trigger pull I've ever tried when I fire it in double action. Not sure why the gun is like that. Awesome trigger in single action, and one of the worst if used as double action.

Anyhow, I'm very impressed with this little gem. Academy sells the "blued" version for $350. Might think about picking up another after my experience with this one.
 
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pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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came home from uncle's with more goodies, lol

a shit ton of brass - a lot of 38 special, good bit of 357, good bit more 45 acp, some 30-06, small amount of 9mm.. most of it is once fired.

got some 38 special reloads, probably about 25 rds of 303 brit surplus, small amount of 30.06

a 38/357/9mm cleaning kit (didn't need but he threw it in with the other stuff),

case trimmers for about 4 or 5 different calibers.

I think thats about it. he only charged me for the case trimmers ($5 lol).

He said he has some more stuff he will give me once he gets some stuff cleaned up.
 

CurseTheSky

Diamond Member
Oct 21, 2006
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Okay, just got back from the range again. Last night I took the time to break down my Canik (pronouced Chanique) 55 Shark also known as model T-120 as imported by Tristar Arms.

First off, it bit me. Well, sort of. I went to go take the slide off and it was stuck. I lined up the notches, managed to get the slide stop out, and then tried to push the slide off the front of the frame. I couldn't do it at first. Not sure what was hung up. I was watching a youtube video of how to do it and for them it slid right on off. The slide would go back and forth easy enough, just wouldn't come off the front.

So I braced it and put both of my thumbs on the back of the slide to push it forward with more strength. That did it! Unfortunately my right thumb ran into the top of the rail and the corner of it poked me good enough to draw blood. Draw thing really is a shark!

Anyhow, cleaned it up and tried to determine why the slide was having problems. Couldn't see anything and after that it went on and off easy peasy lemon squeazy.

Comparing the Canik clone version to online pictures I found of both the Jericho 941 and other CZ 75B models, mine looked just as good inside completely disassembled as anything that an official CZ 75b would be done as. Everything was tight, machined well, and looked darn good.

So I hit up the range today with both my Turkish guns. The Girsan 1911 and this Canik. Put another 200 rounds through the Girsan. Fired flawless as ever with good groups. Still really love the gun. It only has a problem with 2 magazines I bought. The 1911 promag. The follower on that mag is plastic and doesn't "flare" out at the spot my other mags flare out. As such it never catches the slide stop and doesn't lock it back. It feeds just fine, but won't ever lock back the slide. A bit annoying, but more a magazine design problems than anything. Although I might be able to find a different slide stop that works with the magazine. However, I have a kimber pro 1911 magazine that is just the opposite. It flares out TOO far. Always screws up the last shot with a failure to eject. The Chip McCormicks, Nighthawks, ACT, and Wilson Combat mags I have run without any problems. I heard this is a common issue with 1911's from the most expensive to the least. Finding the right magazines to use is something a 1911 owner has to take into account. Still I have now about 1600 or so rounds through it. With the only problems those that I noted and I know they are magazine related problems.

The Canik? Well I put 400 with out a single hiccup. If anything the accuracy is even BETTER on it than any other handgun. That's saying quite a bit. I was at the Bass Pro range here and was in the "rifle" lane. It goes out to 40 yards or so. I put the target at max range and was still nailing center every shot. The trigger on it is SWEET! At least in single action mode. Now double action mode on this gun. UGH.... Horrible, sucky, crappy, and makes me want to puke bad. I just won't ever fire the gun in double action again. Easily the worst trigger pull I've ever tried when I fire it in double action. Not sure why the gun is like that. Awesome trigger in single action, and one of the worst if used as double action.

Anyhow, I'm very impressed with this little gem. Academy sells the "blued" version for $350. Might think about picking up another after my experience with this one.

I've heard from multiple places around the 'net to avoid Promag like the devil.

CZ 75s and the like are awesomely ergonomic, stupidly accurate (at least in my experiences), and great bargains. The triggers do leave a bit to be desired - in double action mode, my finger just barely reaches far enough to pull the P-01 trigger comfortably. The heavy DA trigger is great in terms of safety, however, and it's only a consideration for the first shot. Either cock the hammer, or consider it a great trigger control lesson each time you pop the mag in.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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I've heard from multiple places around the 'net to avoid Promag like the devil.

CZ 75s and the like are awesomely ergonomic, stupidly accurate (at least in my experiences), and great bargains. The triggers do leave a bit to be desired - in double action mode, my finger just barely reaches far enough to pull the P-01 trigger comfortably. The heavy DA trigger is great in terms of safety, however, and it's only a consideration for the first shot. Either cock the hammer, or consider it a great trigger control lesson each time you pop the mag in.


I have other promag magazines and they word fine. Well, they are all ar15 mags. It's the 1911 mags that are crap. The main reason is that the magazine follower for 1911's is designed to push up on the slide stop on the last round. To do that correctly, it has to have the right shape to do so. The promag doesn't flare out correctly at all. It does hold, and lift rounds to be fired correctly, but is completely incapable of working on the slide stop of my 1911. I might be able to fine a slide stop that could work with it, but that might screw up how my other mags work. Rather not use it in the future.
 

adairusmc

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I got my xs lever rail installed on my 45-70 this evening, and it looks great. Just waiting on the scope and rings to arrive on Monday.

Pic -

 

velillen

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I got my xs lever rail installed on my 45-70 this evening, and it looks great. Just waiting on the scope and rings to arrive on Monday.

Pic -


looks nice. Watched a video and sounds like its pretty easy to install?

What made you go for the long rail vs something like the Game Reaper scope mount?
 

NuroMancer

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Had a fun time on the weekend!

Started out with Clays - ended up going through 3 boxes of clays between 4 of us.
Had a Benelli Nova which I picked up for the weekend.
Remmington 870
Pardner single shot break action

Then broke out the 22's for some fun plinking at the targets setup and finnaly switched to the surplus rifles. We had a Mauser in 8mm, and my Russian SKS out for its maiden voyage.

What a blast! Anyone else out this weekend?

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Also I have a question! - Does anyone have experience with the surplus Mosin - Nagants?
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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Had a fun time on the weekend!

Started out with Clays - ended up going through 3 boxes of clays between 4 of us.
Had a Benelli Nova which I picked up for the weekend.
Remmington 870
Pardner single shot break action

Then broke out the 22's for some fun plinking at the targets setup and finnaly switched to the surplus rifles. We had a Mauser in 8mm, and my Russian SKS out for its maiden voyage.

What a blast! Anyone else out this weekend?

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Also I have a question! - Does anyone have experience with the surplus Mosin - Nagants?


Sounds like fun! Shotguns are one thing i havent gotten into much other thank plinking. But the gf's dad does trap so might get to go with him soon!

And no i didnt get out but will one day this week (and be posting some pics of some "mods" done to some guns and new toys)



Whats your question on Mosin's? Im pretty sure if you asked we can answer lol.





o and just a "thanks" for a company. Powder Valley. Showed powder i needed in stock so i placed my order for 5 8lb kegs thinking sweet i got my powder. Well get a phone call 30 minutes ago, sorry that item is actually out of stock and the site didnt update, but we will still place your order as a back order (which they dont do since like jan) and also we will cover the haz mat fee (30 bucks). All without me asking for anything. Just awesome customer service and definitely a company ive given way to much money to and will for eyars to come!
 

adairusmc

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looks nice. Watched a video and sounds like its pretty easy to install?

What made you go for the long rail vs something like the Game Reaper scope mount?


I got the long rail because I found one on eBay cheaper than they normally sell for. Plus I wanted the ghost ring sights with it too.

The scope and rings arrived today, I will get some pics up when I get it mounted.
 

CurseTheSky

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Oct 21, 2006
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Guys- where have you been purchasing your ammo from?

Local gun store. They just got a truckload of pallets in earlier this week, mostly 5.56 (probably over 400 CASES), but also at least one pallet of 9mm. My wife and I managed to get 1250 rounds for around $350. I can finally do some target practice again!

Now I could only find some 22 LR, 45 ACP, and cheap .308.
 
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