I agree with ya; never saw the appeal of an AR/AK pistol. I'd rather just have a G17 or something, like you said. I guess they're just a novelty sort of thing and yeah, if that's your thing then more power to ya.
I agree with ya; never saw the appeal of an AR/AK pistol. I'd rather just have a G17 or something, like you said. I guess they're just a novelty sort of thing and yeah, if that's your thing then more power to ya.Of course I understand "using" an AR pistol as a rifle is legal as long as you don't add a stock, but there is no practical way of doing so. The AK pistols are even worse in that respect, because there is nothing to shoulder (as opposed to the AR, where there is at least a buffer tube).
I know SBRs aren't illegal, but they're illegal without a tax stamp. Putting a stock onto an AR or AK pistol (which is, in my view, mandatory in order to make it in any way useful) is illegal unless you have an SBR tax stamp. Presumably if you DO have one, you wouldn't bother buying a stupid AR or AK pistol in the first place (other than, as someone suggested, a temporary measure while awaiting a tax stamp).
Of course it isn't illegal to have a useless, expensive toy like an AR or AK pistol, but I find it very difficult to see the point unless you intend to convert it to an SBR. The fact that there are 9mm AR pistols is an endless head-scratcher to me - you're building a totally unwieldy, expensive heavy "pistol" that more or less can't be fired accurately, when you could buy a Glock 17 or 19 and use a 33-round magazine instead. Again, people have the right to buy all kind of worthless crap, but that seems like a uniquely pointless, self-punishing purchase unless the buyer intends to create an SBR (legally or illegally).
I don't know what kind of pistols you have other than your 1911, but I don't see how in hell you'd shoulder a 1911 or any other semi-auto pistol with a slide (i.e., not a Luger or something similar), and if you did your shoulder would have a nice deep bruise and possibly a broken clavicle, depending on where you placed the beaver tail and how long it is.
Nope, they haven't banned the slide fire yet. Nor have they banned the forearm brace. The law as it is currently written will prevent the ATF from even attempting to try ban the forearm brace. The forearm brace does exactly what it is designed to do. It allows one to comfortably strap an AR or AK pistol to their forearm to obtain greater accuracy and stability while firing the pistol one handed. That is the design and intent of the accessory. The fact that people misuse it from the original intent is not part of the scope of the law as it is currently written. It would take an act of Congress to change it. If Congress does change the law, then such an accessory would certainly be banned at that point.
For the Sig brace, there is a version for AK pistols...
Which you can buy one here..
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-63024.html
Or you can buy the specific sig complete AR here for example..
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...SIG+Sauer/SIG+PM40011BSPSB+400+5.56+11.5+PSTL
Again, with that brace there meant to be strapped to the forearm, there is nothing to stop the user from pushing the back of that forearm brace into their shoulder and using it in a similar fashion to a standard shoulder stock that would be found on any rifle.
Using the forearm brace that was is not illegal. The brace was not designed to be used that way so using it in a manner it is not "designed" is to take the risk of whatever goes wrong with the application of the firearm when used incorrectly unto yourself.
As far as tax stamps go, you seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding on how the work DVC. You buy a specific stamp for a specific firearm. If you want to buy 5 SBR's each one must have their own stamp purchased if you buying them as an individual. The exception is to use a trust with the stamp purchase. Which even fewer states allow tax stamps through trusts for firearm purchases. Part of getting the tax stamp is specifically registering the specific firearm that the tax stamp will be for. This is because of many reasons such as being required to get permission to take any stamped firearm across state lines.
I will say that a lot of people as of late are buying AR or AK pistols with the buffer tube out the back so they can buy the sig brace, or just buy the whole thing complete. Completely legal firearm and firearm accessory that one can buy without a tax stamp requirement in pretty much all 50 states.
I agree the premise of using the pistol as intended to strap to the forearm for extra stabilization is certainly a "novelty" and of dubious practicality. But there is no law that states people can't decide to use the forearm brace in a way that it wasn't originally designed or intended for. Which people can use it as a shoulder stock legally if they want and use the pistol as one would use a short barrel rifle instead.
I believe the ATF is allowed to ban things willy nilly, pretty much. They can ban the slide fire (surprised that they haven't yet) they're trying to ban M16 BCGs and they'll likely try to ban the brace...
Nope, they can't ban things willy nilly. They are bound by laws. They can't ban the slide fire since it breaks no current firearm laws. It does not allow for more than one shot per action of the trigger. While it certainly does allow an operator to shot faster than a human finger can naturally actuate a trigger, that doesn't change the fact it is still one shot per trigger action. The slide/bump fire stocks have been around now for a few years and won't go away unless the law changes. Something that Feinstein tried to do last year.
Go look up the Akins Accelerator for the 10/22. The ATF need simply release an opinion letter and they can basically ban many things pertaining to AR pistols, slide fires and such. They can't ban handguns, but they can ban types of handguns if they can determine they have no hunting value etc. The ATF has more power than you realize (sadly - I wish they were gone.)
I agree with ya; never saw the appeal of an AR/AK pistol. I'd rather just have a G17 or something, like you said. I guess they're just a novelty sort of thing and yeah, if that's your thing then more power to ya.
I guess you could (I find it curious BATF has blessed it for that reason), but it looks like the world's least ergonomic M4 stock, plus it is shorter than any fully-collapsed stock I've ever seen. Admittedly I am 6'4", so need a fair amount of length to be comfortable, but I can't imagine any adult being comfortable with a stock this short. No question it would be better than shouldering just a buffer tube, though. The whole thing just seems like a silly exercise to me.
It certainly isn't silly if you live in a jurisdiction that bans SBRs...
can someone explain the reasoning behind the Sig Sauer Adaptive Carbine Platform?
I don't see how it would be worthwhile without the foldable stock found on the law enforcement model.
wouldn't it just increase the weight and therefore increase fatigue?
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/sig-sauer/sig-adaptive-carb-pltfrm-blk-red-dot/
Of course I understand "using" an AR pistol as a rifle is legal as long as you don't add a stock, but there is no practical way of doing so. The AK pistols are even worse in that respect, because there is nothing to shoulder (as opposed to the AR, where there is at least a buffer tube).
Personally, while I think the 16" barrel length requirement is arbitrary and unnecessary, I doubt I'd ever actually want an SBR even if it were legal to own one without restrictions or administrative hassles.
Pretty much. 16" is about the minimum length for ideal velocity for popular many small rifle cartridge case capacity + bore diameter combinations.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, particularly given the existence of pistol-magazine carbines like the Kel Tec Sub 2000, but whatever floats your boat . . .
Where can one buy a new KT Sub 2000 without selling his arm and leg? I look and look but no luck (local stores and internet) for a new one with reasonable price.
\\I lucked out and took a used one at a gun show for $300 late Jan/early Feb.
I suppose. BladeVenom posted a good chart of muzzle energy for .223 varied by barrel length though. I wouldn't feel bad with a 33 round mag, or hell a 50 round drum mag, in a Glock 17 or 19 instead of an AR pistol (not to mention the former would be way cheaper and easier IMO to control). An AR-15 with a normal 16" barrel, non-SBR, and collapsed stock is pretty compact anyway; that's not considering a bullpup rifle if you're really looking for compact.LOTS of stopping power in a small package
LOTS of stopping power in a small package