The big issue here is the m855 doesn't fall into the category of AP ammunition as defined by the BATF but they're banning it anyway. It doesn't have a solid steel/tungsten/etc core and the jacket weight isn't 25% of the total projectile weight.Okay...so that article seems pretty meaningless to me. While I think it's silly to ban the green-tip stuff, I also don't see how it affects normal gun owners. Did anyone raise this much of a stink when they banned the AP 5.7mm ammo?
Even though there's no tungsten penetrator or some such thing that I would usually associate more with 'armor piercing.' It's still, eh, 'more armor piercing than normal.' So is steel core AK ammo. That's not banned, but I wouldn't be mad if it was, OTHER than the fact that it may limit access to surplus Ruskie ammo.
The long and short of it is, how does it affect you? If the answer is 'not at all'...Y U MAD, bros? I get the 'blah blah erosion of freedoms' argument, but...I really think people should do a better job of picking their battles.
edit: none of that was addressed at anyone in particular. Just some percentage of those in the general AR community that I'm sure are throwing hissy fits.
A gen2 Glock 17 popped up on Armslist, and I'm eyeing it for some reason. I am not a Glock fan. At all. But if I was gonna have one, it would be a gen2 or gen3 G17 as a spare jack-of-all-trades (master of none) gun.
What's a fair price? It says it hasn't been fired much, and the pictures agree. Asking 400, which actually seems...pretty decent? I think it would be a definite buy if I could get him to do 350. Just the plastic case and one mag with it.
The big issue here is the m855 doesn't fall into the category of AP ammunition as defined by the BATF but they're banning it anyway. It doesn't have a solid steel/tungsten/etc core and the jacket weight isn't 25% of the total projectile weight.
If this goes through, they'd have the precedent needed to ban m193 ammonition (which is far more common).
I think 350 would be a fair price, considering there is only one magazine included. $400 would be fair as well if it had night sights, and would not be out of the question for one in really good condition with standard sights.
A lot of the places reporting on this are failing to mention that the BATF is taking comments on how to implement the ban, not on whether or not to follow through with it. Sure you can still contact them but it's pretty likely that your email will go straight into the trash.
Besides, contacting the BATF on this is like begging your abusive spouse not to beat you anymore. Even if they listen it won't do any good. People need to contact someone who might pretend to care or do something, like their representatives.
It was retarded in the first place since pretty much any 223/556 fired out of an ar pistol is going to defeat level 2a armor.
But why haven't they done anything to 7.62x39? You can still buy imported spam cans of steel core, can't you?
I mean, I know the token answer is '...because their policies make no sense.' It's just that people can't have their cake and eat it, too...
Either the ATF has a brilliant secret agenda to eliminate civilian possession of popular military rifle calibers (necessitating the 'we care about this because our freedoms are being eroded' stance), or they're just dumb and you're not going to be able to buy the specific round in question, and that's all that will really happen (which leads to my previous question of 'why so serious?').
And this should scare you. It'll be used as a spring board to attack .223.
anyone have any thoughts on the LC9s Pro vs the CM/CW9?
LOL over the top?
ar AR pistol is way low on the scale in AR land....I mean, I have a friend with a REPR, Sig 716 and a Larue Stealth upper.....
the main change is the buttstock, which is cheap.....
The new Remington 700 arrived today and is ready to go get zeroed. I started prepping some brass to do some load development for it as well, going to try some 168g A-Max bullets under some IMR 4064 to start with. When I get some more brass, I will try to develop some test loads in for some 175g sierra matchkings as well.
I think they're both awesome guns. However, their triggers are completely different. The kahr triggers are really different from the other striker fired guns and are like a long, smooth double action revolver trigger.
Definitely buy to see if you like it before making the decision to carry. I've heard nothing but good things about the LC9s and its trigger. I think the Pro version doesn't have that regarded magazine safety, right?
Personally, I've been carrying a kahr P9 for the last 4 years but will be making the change to a shield no-safety.
Thing is AR Pistols aren't in AR land, they're in pistol land. It's an AR-15 that sacrifices control and muzzle velocity for the sole purpose of being an oversized, big-boy pistol. It isn't a sub-machine gun because that would use a pistol caliber.
They're basically Desert Eagles, only chambered in a more testosterone-pumping caliber.
Kahr 40, the trigger doesn't reset until it's almost released. You probably know that. Otherwise that's a pretty powerful pocket gun with 6 rnds.Yes the pro is the same gun minus the magazine and external safeties. I had a kahr before and was indifferent on the trigger.
I need a pocket gun.....just wish Glock had a 9mm model.
Thing is AR Pistols aren't in AR land, they're in pistol land. It's an AR-15 that sacrifices control and muzzle velocity for the sole purpose of being an oversized, big-boy pistol. It isn't a sub-machine gun because that would use a pistol caliber.
They're basically Desert Eagles, only chambered in a more testosterone-pumping caliber.
Are you serious? Hahahaha! If you don't care for AR pistols that's fine (I actually didn't either, I used to think they were stupid honestly) but comparing them to a Desert Eagle is just silly.Thing is AR Pistols aren't in AR land, they're in pistol land. It's an AR-15 that sacrifices control and muzzle velocity for the sole purpose of being an oversized, big-boy pistol. It isn't a sub-machine gun because that would use a pistol caliber.
They're basically Desert Eagles, only chambered in a more testosterone-pumping caliber.
Yes the pro is the same gun minus the magazine and external safeties. I had a kahr before and was indifferent on the trigger.
I need a pocket gun.....just wish Glock had a 9mm model.
Are you serious? Hahahaha! If you don't care for AR pistols that's fine (I actually didn't either, I used to think they were stupid honestly) but comparing them to a Desert Eagle is just silly.