YAGT: *POLL* M16 vs AK47. Which is the superior weapon?

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Booster

A weapon is a tool. The question is which tool does it's job better.

That's what I don't quite like in people. We always talk about tools, but almost never of what we're going to use them for and why.

Thats because everyone is grown up enough to fully understand what these rifles do in action. They kill people.
...so you can sit comfortably and whine about how killing people is wrong.
Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

 

[SuperTool]

It's kinda comparing Soyuz to Shuttle. Shuttle has great payload, very hightech, accurate, but expensive as hell and not very reliable and kills a 7pack of people once in a while.
I'd pick the Soyuz. Same with AK47.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i saw on discovery channel about this...

ak47 is a much more powerful weapon, but very inacurate, but very durable, and can be used as a bat.

m16 is highly accurate, but not as powerful, and not very durable, but lighter.

US special forces use the ak47 just in case i heard....

The only reason I would think of special forces using ak47s is if they didn't want it to be known they were US soldiers. Easy to stand out if everyone has an AK and you show up with an M4

no...i saw it on discovery channel...special forces use the ak47 due to its reliability.

i'm sure a SEAL would stand out b4 a bunch of al qaeda members

Well hopefully by then, the SEAL would have made himself known by opening fire and whupping their asses. But from far away if they want to appear like another Afghani, they would use ak47s, so they can get closer to their targets.

I'm sure you probably did see it on tv. I've seen it on the history channel where SEALs used ak47s in Vietnam. But I doubt what you saw on discovery was up to date. SF probably let the guys chose whichever weapon they want. And nowadays there are so many weapons more reliable and accurate than an AK47 that I doubt they would pick it except out of necessity

 

[Booster]

I don't quite like people like you.

Hell, no wonder. Most people would call me a coward, but, in fact, I'm an open-minded, non-brainwashed person unlike them. Just think of one thing... Patriotic people want to die for their country and some ideals but their understanding of these ideas is limited by their lifetime which can be so easily and pointlessly interrupted even with a kitchen knife, not speaking of automatic weapons. If I could, I'd like to tell people who want to kill and to die that they need to wake up and face the reality.

Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where there are no firearms, quite frankly.

 

[ThePresence]

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." 
-- John Stuart Mill

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Booster

I don't quite like people like you.

Hell, no wonder. Most people would call me a coward, but, in fact, I'm an open-minded, non-brainwashed person unlike them. Just think of one thing... Patriotic people want to die for their country and some ideals but their understanding of these ideas is limited by their lifetime which can be so easily and pointlessly interrupted even with a kitchen knife, not speaking of automatic weapons. If I could, I'd like to tell people who want to kill and to die that they need to wake up and face the reality.

Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where there are no firearms, quite frankly.

Face reality. Cool. How about our military completely disbanding, burning all of our weapons, and then we can live the "reality" of your world. We can become unbrainwashed, and open minded. And then we can all be killed as many nations who hate us, would destroy us. I love your "reality." You are a coward. You might be an open minded coward, but you a still a coward.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Booster

I don't quite like people like you.

Hell, no wonder. Most people would call me a coward, but, in fact, I'm an open-minded, non-brainwashed person unlike them. Just think of one thing... Patriotic people want to die for their country and some ideals but their understanding of these ideas is limited by their lifetime which can be so easily and pointlessly interrupted even with a kitchen knife, not speaking of automatic weapons. If I could, I'd like to tell people who want to kill and to die that they need to wake up and face the reality.

Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where there are no firearms, quite frankly.

People's understanding of their ideals can extend through history, if they bother to find out.

The real questions are : What do you value? What kind of life do you want to live? What are you willing to do to protect or achieve it?

Anyone can die at any time.

People knew how to kill eachother just fine with swords, rocks, and just about anything else.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Booster

I don't quite like people like you.

Hell, no wonder. Most people would call me a coward, but, in fact, I'm an open-minded, non-brainwashed person unlike them. Just think of one thing... Patriotic people want to die for their country and some ideals but their understanding of these ideas is limited by their lifetime which can be so easily and pointlessly interrupted even with a kitchen knife, not speaking of automatic weapons. If I could, I'd like to tell people who want to kill and to die that they need to wake up and face the reality.

Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where there are no firearms, quite frankly.

You are the epitome of naive. Its almost funny. In a world where there are no firearms (magically and impossibly) the United States would have no line of defense. You get a few million of those crazy kung fu chinese flooding in the west coast and we're over.
Seriously... how old are you? Do you know anyone who served in the military?
Even if you are a pacifist yourself, how can you go about your easy, American life without having the utmost respect for those people who are anxious to be soldiers and find honor in that profession?

 

[Booster]

War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things

Actually, many people who went to war would disagree with that statement. Why do people go crazy after seeing those weapons in action?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Booster

War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things

Actually, many people who went to war would disagree with that statement. Why do people go crazy after seeing those weapons in action?

I went to war. Well, not exactly outright war, but bullets flying. I agree with the statement.

 

[tnitsuj]

I haven't ever been to war...but I would harzard a guess that not much else other than the fires of hell could be worse.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Booster

War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things

Actually, many people who went to war would disagree with that statement. Why do people go crazy after seeing those weapons in action?

If by war you mean KFC, and by weapons you mean Drumsticks, then I could agree with you.
Truth be told, you're a complete idiot.

 

[Booster]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I haven't ever been to war...but I would harzard a guess that not much else other than the fires of hell could be worse.

Neither did I... Hey I'm not trying to prove anything. I do admit that my morals have shaken a bit lately, I been thinking too much maybe. Actually, what I want to say is that I wouldn't like one such weapon to be aimed at me, no matter who pulls the trigger - an enemy of the state or my personal enemy.

Truth be told, you're a complete idiot.

Of course I'm an idiot, b/c my interests and interests of the government don't have anything in common.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Booster

War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things

Actually, many people who went to war would disagree with that statement. Why do people go crazy after seeing those weapons in action?

People go crazy because battle is the scariest imaginable thing you could experience. But war would probably be alot uglier and scarier with swords and battleaxes. Just remember, in the world before modern weapons, people were being boiled in oil.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Booster

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I haven't ever been to war...but I would harzard a guess that not much else other than the fires of hell could be worse.

Neither did I... Hey I'm not trying to prove anything. I do admit that my morals have shaken a bit lately, I been thinking too much maybe. Actually, what I want to say is that I wouldn't like one such weapon to be aimed at me, no matter who pulls the trigger - an enemy of the state or my personal enemy.

Well, here's a moral lesson. Just because you are a huge pussy, don't take it out on the people who have the balls to get shot at to protect your way of life.

 

[EXman]

Watching a news program the other night the CIA guys in Afganistan all had AK's and they were not really disguised
Some of the soldiers had the M16's slung and the AK's out for use. I guess they know better than I do.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: EXman
Watching a news program the other night the CIA guys in Afganistan all had AK's and they were not really disguised
Some of the soldiers had the M16's slung and the AK's out for use. I guess they know better than I do.

They actually showed CIA guys on the news and not disguised? what happened to being "Covert"?

 

[Booster]

Well, here's a moral lesson. Just because you are a huge pussy, don't take it out on the people who have the balls to get shot at to protect your way of life.

I'm continuing to take part in a beating of me just b/c I'm so curious - why can't you accept an opinion different than yours? Why need to put me down? I see this happen all the time in different threads on different topics, especially when moral questions are involved. How can you be sure that there is some morality that is right and something else is wrong? Why are you so sure about it?

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Booster

Well, here's a moral lesson. Just because you are a huge pussy, don't take it out on the people who have the balls to get shot at to protect your way of life.

I'm continuing to take part in a beating of me just b/c I'm so curious - why can't you accept an opinion different than yours? Why need to put me down? I see this happen all the time in different threads on different topics, especially when moral questions are involved. How can you be sure that there is some morality that is right and something else is wrong? Why are you so sure about it?

Because if our country was the way you want it to be, you wouldn't be able to have your own views.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Booster

Well, here's a moral lesson. Just because you are a huge pussy, don't take it out on the people who have the balls to get shot at to protect your way of life.

I'm continuing to take part in a beating of me just b/c I'm so curious - why can't you accept an opinion different than yours? Why need to put me down? I see this happen all the time in different threads on different topics, especially when moral questions are involved. How can you be sure that there is some morality that is right and something else is wrong? Why are you so sure about it?

I'm not talking about morality. This is a black and white issue. If we didn't use firearms and kill an untold amount of people, I would not be able to live as comfortably as I do. I am grateful for the system I have been brought up in.

If anything, its not the weapons we use, its the targets we choose that are suspect at times.
And morality as far as morality is concerned... its simply a selfish, self-prerserving attitude.
I happen to think that what we are constantly fighting to preserve is fundamentally better than a government like that of China.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Booster

I don't quite like people like you.

Hell, no wonder. Most people would call me a coward, but, in fact, I'm an open-minded, non-brainwashed person unlike them. Just think of one thing... Patriotic people want to die for their country and some ideals but their understanding of these ideas is limited by their lifetime which can be so easily and pointlessly interrupted even with a kitchen knife, not speaking of automatic weapons. If I could, I'd like to tell people who want to kill and to die that they need to wake up and face the reality.

Would you rather people just beat each other's heads in with rocks and sticks?

Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where there are no firearms, quite frankly.

i agree Booster, i wish we could live in a world with no military weapons as well. Alas, we cant. As such, we have to have those big mean nasty guns.
But I'm all for "normal" gun ownership. Sport hunting, marksmanship competitions. Boy Scouts. Etc etc. And I plan, and do, fully exercise my right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Booster]

I'm not talking about morality. This is a black and white issue. If we didn't use firearms and kill an untold amount of people, I would not be able to live as comfortably as I do. I am grateful for the system I have been brought up in.

That's what I'm talking about. When the time comes to pay the bills for living in a 'system' (because you always have more obligations than rights) many people, like me, for example, start to question if it's such a good deal.

 

[kage69]

I've heard you'd be about as accurate throwing the shells at your attacker versus just trying to shoot him. Any truth to it? Hows the recoil? Balance? Whats your overall opinion of the gun?

Recoil wasn't that bad, but then it's a heavy piece and the variant I got to blast with was in .357
I found it awkward to shoot, the balance is nowhere near a SIG or HK. I'm sure the ones in .50 kick like a mule, but I just don't see a need for that kind of firepower in a side-arm short of trying to intimidate someone into thinking your a badass. Image junkies obviously get wood over stuff like that, but a thinking man would most likely stick with .45ACP or .40SW for real tactical stuff. If I need to drop a charging bear, I'll use a Benelli and leave the Hollywood crap for the CS tards.

Some soldiers in Iraq are complaining about the M16 in urban warfare because with its long barrel it takes longer to swing it around to shoot at the guy popping up behind you

Yeah, I heard similar about them proving difficult to use when firing from inside a vehicle. I would still pick the M16 over the AK in that setting, as those were the choices for the thread. Rest assured, if I had to do a real urban hump, I'd sport one of theose HK subs in .40S&W, or a compact 12gauge over a field rifle anyday.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Booster

I'm not talking about morality. This is a black and white issue. If we didn't use firearms and kill an untold amount of people, I would not be able to live as comfortably as I do. I am grateful for the system I have been brought up in.

That's what I'm talking about. When the time comes to pay the bills for living in a 'system' (because you always have more obligations than rights) many people, like me, for example, start to question if it's such a good deal.

If not this, then what? Which system is better?

 

[Booster]

If not this, then what? Which system is better?

OK, I give up. My brain has just overheated. Off to cool it down, he-he.