YaGunT: 9mm Hollow points

[JEDI]

for Smith + Wesson M&P9c:

Federal 147grain JHP
or
Golden Saber 124grain +P BJHP (Bonded JHP)
or
Federal 115grain +P+ JHP


Which of the 3 is the better self defense ammo for concealed carry? WHY?

basically JHP vs +P vs +P+???


edit:
and whats the diff between jhp and bjhp?

 

[Vic Vega]

You realize this is a can of worms and there is no definitive answer?

I tend to go with as much penetration as I can get so the 147 grain would be my choice if I were choosing 9MM.

That said, I don't carry 9MM, I carry .40 S&W. Specifically, DT 200 grain Nosler JHPs trucking along at 1,100 FPS. These "hotter" .40 S&Ws are about equal power to a factory 10MM.

 

[JEDI]

You realize this is a can of worms and there is no definitive answer?

I tend to go with as much penetration as I can get so the 147 grain would be my choice if I were choosing 9MM.

why would 147grain have more penetration than the other 2?

force = mass x velocity

 

[Spikesoldier]

personally i would go with the 124gr +p for a personal defense round.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I have the Federal 147 grain Hydra-Shok.

 

[schneiderguy]

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

9 mm:
Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

Any of those are fine.

 

[schneiderguy]

why would 147grain have more penetration than the other 2?

force = mass x velocity

Heavier bullets tend to penetrate further.

 

[amddude]

I would go RA9T over any of those.

 

[BladeVenom]

why would 147grain have more penetration than the other 2?

The faster lighter bullets have a lower sectional density and tend to expand quicker. Bullet construction plays a part in expansion, so that has to be considered. Test them on ballistic gelatin to see.

 

[deadlyapp]

I think I'm currently running the HST 147gr in my M&Pc. I'll probably get the ranger bonded next time I grab some defense loads.

 

[Merad]

147 gr JHP's for me. Just ordered 5 boxes of this last week.

 

[jacob0401]

I carry 147gr Federal HST but also have 147gr Speer Gold Dots stocked up...

 

[OverVolt]

If you carry 147gr shoot 147gr as the weight of the bullet impacts the recoil considerably.

I would go with 124gr +p jhp, 9mm is not meant to be a big slow round like .45acp or 40s&w and 124gr seems like a good compromise between speed, power, and practicality of using the same weight range ammo.

bjhp is basically a marketing gimmick it is still a copper jacketed hollow point, who cares if they electroplate the copper on the bullet or not.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

THE ELIMINATOR in 9mm the 78gr bullet matches the 1400 fps of the BAT. It will not penetrate a Level iia Kevlar vest.

 

[desertdweller]

for Smith + Wesson M&P9c:

Federal 147grain JHP
or
Golden Saber 124grain +P BJHP (Bonded JHP)
or
Federal 115grain +P+ JHP


Which of the 3 is the better self defense ammo for concealed carry?

basically JHP vs +P vs +P+???


edit:
and whats the diff between jhp and bjhp?

I use a M&P 9 Pro for competitions on the weekends. I don't reload, so I've tried different weights and manufacturers. I will say that if you need to fire several rounds in rapid succession, the 147 grain make the gun noticeably more manageable.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

I used to use 124 gr +P, but found I'm more accurate with the heavier slower bullet.
I also like the lighter recoil of the 147 gr over the +P.

 

[Raduque]

I keep Winchester PDX-1 124gr +P JHPs in my Ruger when I'm not at the range.

Edit: I personally wouldn't use +P+ unless your weapon specifically says it's safe. My Ruger's manual says there is "no commercially available ammunition with a pressure rating that exceeds the P95's tolerance" or something similar, but I'm still wary of putting +P+ through it.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

a standard pressure 147gr load will be no harder on your pistol than a standard pressure 115 or 124 grain load

 

[irishScott]

I tend to use this guy's testing, have fun!

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL727CAFF8A6C0D3BF&feature=plcp

 

[alkemyst]

most think about this too much.

Unless you are Tony Montana, cost of rounds is not a major issue...read the reviews and buy the most BANG for your BUCK.

 

[Gothgar]

115gr

 

[Merad]

Edit: I personally wouldn't use +P+ unless your weapon specifically says it's safe. My Ruger's manual says there is "no commercially available ammunition with a pressure rating that exceeds the P95's tolerance" or something similar, but I'm still wary of putting +P+ through it.

I'd be very wary of using it. My understanding is that there's no SAAMI standard for 9mm +P+ (it just means "higher pressure than +P"). Since there's no standard the gun's manufacturer can't guarantee that it's safe to use in the pistol and would likely try to avoid warranty coverage if you've used it.

Of course bear in mind also that Ruger's have no warranty anyway.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Read this OP
http://www.chuckhawks.com/beginners_stopping_power.htm

And go here
http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2b.handguns.htm

 

[boomhower]

most think about this too much.

Unless you are Tony Montana, cost of rounds is not a major issue...read the reviews and buy the most BANG for your BUCK.

Your carry ammo is not where you save money, get the cheap crap for the range. Spend the money on quality carry ammo.

OP: My two go to rounds are HST and Gold Dots. HST is better for heavier clothing as it tends no to clog up as easily. Gold Dots are better for staying together after going through an object before the target. For SD I prefer HST. Penetration is extremely important. For instance your shot may hit an arm first and still need the juice to penetrate the body cavity to a deep enough point to stop the threat.

Also with whatever choice you make spend the money to put at least 100 rounds through your gun to ensure reliable operation with that round. An SD scenario is not when you want to find out your gun doesn't like that load.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

The stopping power of any handgun bullet turns out to be a function of its ability to disrupt vital bodily functions, not the diameter or weight or initial shape of the bullet that strikes the victim.