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tiggers

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Yep, and the right ignores this:

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This is actually very misleading. It makes for great political theater, but isn't true.

Obama had an executive order (EO) on his desk for awhile to expand the list, and lower the requirements, for labeling people dangerously mentally ill. It sat on his desk until AFTER the election. And Obama signed it BEFORE trump was sworn in. It didn't get very far because not only the NRA, but the ACLU and about two dozen mental health and disability groups lobbied to get a law passed that would rescind that EO, permanently (the bill trump signed).

The bill did NOT allow people who have been adjudicated with severe mental illnesses to be able to buy guns.
 

ch33zw1z

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https://amp.businessinsider.com/brian-kilmeade-fox-friends-america-invasion-el-paso-shooter-2019-8

Trump's campaign has either directly invoked or legitimized similar anti-immigrant rhetoric on multiple occasions, including warning of "an invasion" across the southern border in over 2,000 Facebook ads.

And when a person in the crowd at a Trump campaign rally in May in Panama City, Florida, yelled "Shoot them!" in response to Trump asking how to stop people from coming across, the president laughed and said, "That's only in the Panhandle you can get away with that stuff."

Nope, nothing to see here. Lone wolf.
 
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Amused

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This is actually very misleading. It makes for great political theater, but isn't true.

Obama had an executive order (EO) on his desk for awhile to expand the list, and lower the requirements, for labeling people dangerously mentally ill. It sat on his desk until AFTER the election. And Obama signed it BEFORE trump was sworn in. It didn't get very far because not only the NRA, but the ACLU and about two dozen mental health and disability groups lobbied to get a law passed that would rescind that EO, permanently (the bill trump signed).

The bill did NOT allow people who have been adjudicated with severe mental illnesses to be able to buy guns.

No, no it's not.

The Obama rule that Trump nullified had added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their financial affairs to the national background check database.

That's it. And that's a good thing. To rescind that is fucking evil. I don't give a fuck who lobbied against it.

And FYI, they hated the EO because it "added stigma" to disabilities. But they NEVER addressed the issue of if you're ruled incompetent to handle your fucking SSDI check how in the holy fucking hell are you competent to handle a firearm???

That question is never answered. They merely objected to the stigma of it. Fuck them.

Meanwhile:

Groups like the National Alliance of Mental Illness have accused the Trump Administration of rolling back other Obama-era policies designed to help the mentally ill.

"In the U.S., it is easier to get a gun than it is to get mental health," said Angela Kimball, NAMI's acting CEO. "We need to flip the script. It should be easy — not hard — for people to get the mental health care they need."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...it-easier-mentally-ill-get-guns-when-n1039301

Misleading my ass.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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The Swiss have strict gun control laws that allow the government to tightly control who is allowed to own and possess a firearm, how many firearms an approved gun owner may own, and strict regulations on where they may transport those guns. Carry, either open or concealed, is tightly controlled and requires licenses that are difficult for private citizens to obtain. Buying and selling of firearms is limited to licensed gun dealers only, and every transaction must be approved by the govt. It is rare that a private citizen is allowed to own more than one firearm, unless they're considered antiques or collectibles. The govt has arbitrary authority over who can and who cannot own a firearm, with very little due process required to deny an individual the right to own or possess a gun. The storage location of every firearm is registered with and controlled by the govt.

This is the NRA's gunowners paradise.
Very strict regulations, supply of ammunition is also very tightly controlled. I said it before in this thread, its damn hard to pew pew if you don't have bullets.
Yeah, I know that. I wanted @blackangst1's goofy ass to answer it.
 

HomerJS

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Trump already watering down denunciation of white supremacy by rolling in "both sides". Knew this would happen. Teleprompter Trump forced to read a statement. Real Trump comes back within days to repudiate same statement. Just like Charlottestville

Trump Pulls a ‘Both Sides’ on Way to El Paso and Dayton: I’ll ‘Do Something’ About All Hate


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pulls-both-sides-way-153349348.html
 

soundforbjt

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Trump already watering down denunciation of white supremacy by rolling in "both sides". Knew this would happen. Teleprompter Trump forced to read a statement. Real Trump comes back within days to repudiate same statement. Just like Charlottestville

Trump Pulls a ‘Both Sides’ on Way to El Paso and Dayton: I’ll ‘Do Something’ About All Hate


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pulls-both-sides-way-153349348.html
I think my rhetoric brings people together. Our country is doing really well,” Trump said.

Yep, it brings the white nationalists and racists together.
 

HomerJS

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Presidents in the past at moments like this always hit it out of the park. Nobody had to instruct Clinton after OKC, Bush after 9/11, Obama after Charlestown, Sandy Hook, etc.

At any time did Trump acknowledge the Hispanic victims? Did he promise to keep them safe and say they are welcome in this country?

Why is it with this guy the floor is the ceiling?
 

PJFrylar

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My thoughts and prayers are with the president's ego in these trying times.
 

HomerJS

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None of the victims from the El Paso shooting wanted Trump to visit with them during his hospital visit. They had to convince two people who were discharged to come back.

Really? They should have said fuck that Hispanic hating motherfucker. I bet the White House guilted them by saying your town needs you to begin healing. If I was in their position I would either said fuck off, or I would have come back stand there and within a few days give an interview telling people how I really felt.
 

ch33zw1z

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Don't forget during the campaign against hilary he mentioned she was going to take away our rights and said maybe the 'second amendment folk could take care of that'.

Since I dont have a Trump decoder ring, one of the conservative members of the board will need to let us know if his word salad was literal, metaphorical, figuretive, maybe philosophical this time.
 
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