Yankees win! Yankees win!

[chitwood]

Congrats to the Yankees. It's been a long time since the last WS win...too long.

are you fucking kidding me

 

[Fingolfin269]

F the Yankees. And you live in Colorado. Don't you have a team there?

 

[Fingolfin269]

I must laugh out loud about the Yankees buying the WS. I hear the same thing over and over any time any "rich" team succeeds.
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Doesn't A-Rod make the same amount as the entire roster of some teams? Or damn close to it?

 

[Miramonti]

I must laugh out loud about the Yankees buying the WS. I hear the same thing over and over any time any "rich" team succeeds.

Unfortunately, it's more like this......while the Yankee organization could and did hire in a few free agents during the off season---CC and Teixeira the two acquisitions that come to mind during the latest off season---the vast majority of the Yankee's lineup is a homegrown lineup. The Yankees farm system provided them Pettite, Jeter, Rivera, and Posada along with Chamberlain, Hughes, Coke, and Robertson in the bull pen.

Fact is, 48% of the Yankees players, or 12 of them, were developed from their farm system while only 24% of the roster, or 6 players, were free agent signings. The other 7 players, or 28% of their 25 player roster, were trades. If you count Andy Pettite as a "home grown" player---remember, the Yankees drafted Pettite in 2001, traded him in 2006 to the Astros, and reacquired him this year in free agency, then the percentages increase for home grown players to 52%.

The fact is that the Yankees, unlike other teams out there, has enough capital to keep the good players they grow within their farm system and not lose them to other teams when the good players come up for contract negotiations.

Also, don't put down the Yankees payroll too much. Remember, the Yankee organization pays a heavy luxury tax that's distributed throughout the smaller market teams that help keep those small market teams in existence.

So, hate the Yankees all you want.....they play by baseball's rules, do exactly what you'd want your team to do....they just do it better.

And, no, I'm no Yankees fan, but neither am I a senseless Yankee-hater-crybaby that cries when the "rich" team wins and my poor, pathetic, loser team finishes last.

That's ridiculous. Rays, A's, Rangers, Reds and Red Sox probably have the best farm systems in baseball, but except for the sox high payroll, they can't afford to pay near $200m to keep their talent. And Arod is usually the yanks regular season MVP, and Matsui showed his influence last night.

The Yanks bought the world series, there should be absolutely no question about that.

That's not to say $$ guarantees rings, the yanks suck enough to show that's not true, but they've kept a lot of teams out of the playoffs over the years.

 

[chalmers]

Hey Meghan, how did the Yankees do last season with all that homegrown talent? Oh wait, they missed the playoffs. And magically they're amazing after buying all the best free agents. It's a miracle of modern science!

 

[techs]

Doesn't A-Rod make the same amount as the entire roster of some teams? Or damn close to it?

No he doesn't. I think he made about 22 million this season.
And remember it was TEXAS that gave him the 250 million dollar contract. Then to save TEXAS from going bankrupt the Yankees acquired him and his contract.

 

[BoomerD]

Uh, no it hasn't. The Yankees have won 27 WSs (as of last night) and their last one was nine years ago. Congrats to them for fielding a good team, but few teams are lucky or rich enough to get a WS every decade. There are several teams that have never won a single WS, and many others who haven't won one in 20+ years. A few haven't even been to one.

Not saying who should or shouldn't win, but if you're going to say that it's been "too long" since the Yankees won a World Series, I'm going to say it's been far too long since the Mariners, Nationals, Rangers, Cubs, Indians, Giants, Pirates, Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Mets, Dodgers, Athletics, Reds, Twins, Jays, or Braves won one.

If any of those teams could field a quality team then they'd be the World Series winners. Yes, many on that list HAVE won in the past, but apparently, since they haven't done so in recent years, they don't have the talent required.
hell, I rooted for the Cubbies a few years back when they went to the World Series...it had been a LONG drought for them. Same with the Red Sox when they went...BUT, while I'm not really a big fan of ANY sports franchise, I do have my "favorite teams" in both baseball and football, and root for them to win in play-offs and championship games.

Don't like the mega-bucks that they Yankees have to spend on their players? Lobby the MLB to put player salary caps in place. (good luck with that one)

Personally, I lost most interest in baseball after the 94 strike when the World Series was cancelled. Since then, I've watched parts of the play-offs if one of my favorite teams is playing, and one or two Series games...when one of my favorite teams is playing. That's all.

I'm one of the biggest union supporters on these boards, yet when pro sports players go on strike with the HUGE salaries they get...no sympathy...no support. Professional sports has gotten so dammed expensive that the "average Joe" almost has to take a second mortgage on his house if he wants to take his family to a ball game...football more so than baseball, but it's still gonna be at least $100 for a family of 4 to get decent seats, have food, and pay for parking. Ridiculous.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

No he doesn't. I think he made about 22 million this season.
And remember it was TEXAS that gave him the 250 million dollar contract. Then to save TEXAS from going bankrupt the Yankees acquired him and his contract.

On behalf of Texas we'd like to thank NY for taking A-Rod and Tex off of our hands so we wouldn't go bankrupt. I'm sure there are a few other teams that are thankful as well.

 

[Train]

...do you seriously celebrate winning a game you SHOULD win?
...

uhh, who the fuck wouldnt?

A team celebrates every win. To say otherwise is retarded.

This "Yankees buy pennants" crap is tired bullshit thats been going on forever. Come up with something new to bitch about.

 

[Fingolfin269]

No he doesn't. I think he made about 22 million this season.
And remember it was TEXAS that gave him the 250 million dollar contract. Then to save TEXAS from going bankrupt the Yankees acquired him and his contract.

The Marlins entire payroll is $37M. So, I guess you're right he doesn't make as much. BTW, is that $22M what he was paid this year? If so that might not be how much is considered under the numbers below as I believe signing bonuses are spread across the life of the contract? *EDIT* Just confirmed from the linked site below. He counted $33M against the cap this year. Hell the Yankees have 3 of the top 4! If you add up A-Rod, Jeter, and Teixeria you have a payroll large enough to match EVERY TEAM FROM THE COLORADO ROCKIES TEAM (#18 Payroll) DOWN.

Interesting numbers here btw... if you add up #27-30 they are still short of the Yankees payroll. It only takes getting to the #9 team (Dodgers) before you hit the point where the Yankees payroll is double. That's just amazing to me. How anyone can actually be a fan of this system is beyond me.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries

No. Team Payroll Average
1. New York Yankees $201,449,289
2. New York Mets $135,773,988
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101
10. Seattle Mariners $98,904,167
11. Atlanta Braves $96,726,167
12. Chicago White Sox $96,068,500
13. St. Louis Cardinals $88,528,411
14. San Francisco Giants $82,161,450
15. Cleveland Indians $81,625,567
16. Toronto Blue Jays $80,993,657
17. Milwaukee Brewers $79,857,502
18. Colorado Rockies $75,201,000
19. Arizona Diamondbacks $73,571,667
20. Cincinnati Reds $70,968,500
21. Kansas City Royals $70,908,333
22. Texas Rangers $68,646,023
23. Baltimore Orioles $67,101,667
24. Minnesota Twins $65,299,267
25. Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,035
26. Oakland Athletics $62,310,000
27. Nationals $59,328,000
28. Pirates $48,743,000
29. San Diego Padres $42,796,700
30. Florida Marlins $36,814,000

 

[Train]

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Personally, I lost most interest in baseball after the 94 strike when the World Series was cancelled. Since then, I've watched parts of the play-offs if one of my favorite teams is playing, and one or two Series games...when one of my favorite teams is playing. That's all...

Same here, 94 pretty much destroyed my childhood. Prior to that I was a baseball freak. Played it all the time, watched it at Pro and Minor leage level, had stats memorized going back to babe ruth, had a million baseball cards. (OT, the Yankees were totally gonna win it all in 94)

Then in '97 they killed the Browns (even though it was temporary) and I've hated pro sports ever since. Well, I guess I still get into NHL, but college sports is where its at.

 

[dwell]

Seriously, fuck the Yankees. I'm sorry, but I was born in the Bronx, raised in NY. My family are all Yankee fans. I was a fan from birth to about fifteen now I hate them. They're no different than any other evil corporation that pumps a ton of cash into a market in order to "win".

The worst are Yankees fans. They think they are entitled to win the playoffs and World Series every year. If you pump $200M into a season and pull a bunch of guys in from the DR and you *don't* win, well then, what's up?

 

[Train]

Interesting numbers here btw... if you add up #27-30 they are still short of the Yankees payroll. It only takes getting to the #9 team (Dodgers) before you hit the point where the Yankees payroll is double. That's just amazing to me. How anyone can actually be a fan of this system is beyond me.

Is a players salary a linear function of how good he is? No.

You make it sound like the yankees should be fielding a team of thier top 3 earners to beat most teams.

 

[BeauJangles]

Doesn't A-Rod make the same amount as the entire roster of some teams? Or damn close to it?

To be fair though, A-Rod is paid less than he's worth on the open market.

 

[JDub02]

I'm still rooting for the Pirates.

Maybe someday.

 

[oogabooga]

uhh, who the fuck wouldnt?

A team celebrates every win. To say otherwise is retarded.

This "Yankees buy pennants" crap is tired bullshit thats been going on forever. Come up with something new to bitch about.

Having the money to "buy pennants" is a definite advantage, but as the last few years have shown, not guaranteed.

I see this more as the Phillies losing more than the yankees winning. But grats to the Yanks I guess.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Is a players salary a linear function of how good he is? No.

You make it sound like the yankees should be fielding a team of thier top 3 earners to beat most teams.

Really? You read that entire post and that's all you can come up with? I'm simply pointing out why a lot of people have grown tired of major league baseball. The haves/have nots discrepancy has grown so exponentially ridiculous that teams like the Yankees are the only ones able to enjoy their home grown talent. Fans for teams like the Pirates know that if they somehow draft a talent on par with Pujols or A-Rod they might as well not even get accustomed to the guy because the Yankees will just come take him away.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries

No. Team Payroll Average
1. New York Yankees $201,449,289
2. New York Mets $135,773,988
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101
10. Seattle Mariners $98,904,167
11. Atlanta Braves $96,726,167
12. Chicago White Sox $96,068,500
13. St. Louis Cardinals $88,528,411
14. San Francisco Giants $82,161,450
15. Cleveland Indians $81,625,567
16. Toronto Blue Jays $80,993,657
17. Milwaukee Brewers $79,857,502
18. Colorado Rockies $75,201,000
19. Arizona Diamondbacks $73,571,667
20. Cincinnati Reds $70,968,500
21. Kansas City Royals $70,908,333
22. Texas Rangers $68,646,023
23. Baltimore Orioles $67,101,667
24. Minnesota Twins $65,299,267
25. Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,035
26. Oakland Athletics $62,310,000
27. Nationals $59,328,000
28. Pirates $48,743,000
29. San Diego Padres $42,796,700
30. Florida Marlins $36,814,000

That list is pretty condemning for anyone who tries to claim that "things are fine in baseball stop whining" or that "there is great parity in the MLB...more than in the NFL and the NBA!"

What's even worse is that the Yankees have threatened to sue if any sort of salary cap was ever instituted. Hmm...sounds like the Yankees have a vested interest in keeping the playing field uneven! :hmm:

Of course, the only people who ever say "baseball is fine" are Yankees or Red Sox fans. Everyone else realizes there is a reason that baseball is #3 in America and falling fast...I used to get a kick out of watching ESPN highlights and seeing them replay baseball highlights of people hitting home runs into empty stands all the time...except in NY and Boston, of course.

 

[Terzo]

Personally, I have held nothing but contempt for the Yankees since 1996 (not that I loved them before or anything). That Maier kid potentially cost the O's a pennant game by cheating and the Giuliani gives him a goddamned key to the city. The yankees won that game through cheating (even if it wasn't on the part of the team itself) and the city goes on to thumb their noses at Baltimore by treating him like a hero.

The yankees can go fuck themselves.

 

[chalmers]

Really? You read that entire post and that's all you can come up with? I'm simply pointing out why a lot of people have grown tired of major league baseball. The haves/have nots discrepancy has grown so exponentially ridiculous that teams like the Yankees are the only ones able to enjoy their home grown talent. Fans for teams like the Pirates know that if they somehow draft a talent on par with Pujols or A-Rod they might as well not even get accustomed to the guy because the Yankees will just come take him away.

Fin, you put it perfectly my friend. Fuck baseball.

 

[Sinsear]

The Marlins entire payroll is $37M. So, I guess you're right he doesn't make as much. BTW, is that $22M what he was paid this year? If so that might not be how much is considered under the numbers below as I believe signing bonuses are spread across the life of the contract? *EDIT* Just confirmed from the linked site below. He counted $33M against the cap this year. Hell the Yankees have 3 of the top 4! If you add up A-Rod, Jeter, and Teixeria you have a payroll large enough to match EVERY TEAM FROM THE COLORADO ROCKIES TEAM (#18 Payroll) DOWN.

Interesting numbers here btw... if you add up #27-30 they are still short of the Yankees payroll. It only takes getting to the #9 team (Dodgers) before you hit the point where the Yankees payroll is double. That's just amazing to me. How anyone can actually be a fan of this system is beyond me.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries

No. Team Payroll Average
1. New York Yankees $201,449,289
2. New York Mets $135,773,988
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101
10. Seattle Mariners $98,904,167
11. Atlanta Braves $96,726,167
12. Chicago White Sox $96,068,500
13. St. Louis Cardinals $88,528,411
14. San Francisco Giants $82,161,450
15. Cleveland Indians $81,625,567
16. Toronto Blue Jays $80,993,657
17. Milwaukee Brewers $79,857,502
18. Colorado Rockies $75,201,000
19. Arizona Diamondbacks $73,571,667
20. Cincinnati Reds $70,968,500
21. Kansas City Royals $70,908,333
22. Texas Rangers $68,646,023
23. Baltimore Orioles $67,101,667
24. Minnesota Twins $65,299,267
25. Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,035
26. Oakland Athletics $62,310,000
27. Nationals $59,328,000
28. Pirates $48,743,000
29. San Diego Padres $42,796,700
30. Florida Marlins $36,814,000

Wow. Amazing. And if the Yankees didn't have that big of a payroll then the money would be in the owners pockets. Just because owners of other teams could care less about winning, and taking care of their fans by putting a winning team on the field, don't blame the Yankees for capitalizing on the system in place.

OMG THE MARLINS OPERATE AT A DECENT PROFIT BUT DONT CARE ABOUT THEIR FANS ENOUGH TO PUT A WINNER ON THE FIELD

SUCK IT YANKEE HATERS!!!!

 

[bignateyk]

Sad, I was hoping they would somehow both lose. Then again, baseball sucks, so...

 

[AstroManLuca]

If any of those teams could field a quality team then they'd be the World Series winners. Yes, many on that list HAVE won in the past, but apparently, since they haven't done so in recent years, they don't have the talent required.
hell, I rooted for the Cubbies a few years back when they went to the World Series...it had been a LONG drought for them. Same with the Red Sox when they went...BUT, while I'm not really a big fan of ANY sports franchise, I do have my "favorite teams" in both baseball and football, and root for them to win in play-offs and championship games.

Are you sure you don't just mean "the postseason"? Last time the Cubs had a World Series game was in 1945.

Don't like the mega-bucks that they Yankees have to spend on their players? Lobby the MLB to put player salary caps in place. (good luck with that one)

Eh, I don't care enough about baseball really. It's hard to come up with the right words to express what I was trying to say with my post. On the one hand, the team that wins fairly, even if they pay the most money, deserves to win. They shouldn't hand trophies to other teams just to balance things out. But what I'm saying is it's just not a big deal when they Yankees win. They win all the time. Nine years is hardly a drought at all. I agree that the teams who've waited longer should put up better teams and it's too bad they can't, but getting into things like "who should win" or "who deserves to win" makes it tough. On the one hand, the best team deserves to win. On the other hand, I am not going to root for the Yankees because I don't give a rat's ass if they have 26 rings or 27. I just like to see small-market fans get the glory once in a while.

Personally, I lost most interest in baseball after the 94 strike when the World Series was cancelled. Since then, I've watched parts of the play-offs if one of my favorite teams is playing, and one or two Series games...when one of my favorite teams is playing. That's all.

Same. I was a huge baseball fan from about 1990-1994. The Twins winning the World Series in 1991 was one of my best childhood memories. In 1994, when the players went on strike, it turned me off of baseball forever. I just couldn't believe that these multi-millionaires would all decide that they're not being paid ENOUGH. Far as I can tell, a lot of people feel the same way, and baseball is now a dying sport.

I'm one of the biggest union supporters on these boards, yet when pro sports players go on strike with the HUGE salaries they get...no sympathy...no support. Professional sports has gotten so dammed expensive that the "average Joe" almost has to take a second mortgage on his house if he wants to take his family to a ball game...football more so than baseball, but it's still gonna be at least $100 for a family of 4 to get decent seats, have food, and pay for parking. Ridiculous.

No kidding. I've been to a few baseball games because they're not too expensive... maybe $20-$30 per person. Football is outrageously expensive. I have never been to a game because the cost is just way too high. I'd rather just sit home with a few friends and watch it on TV instead. It's not as exciting but I'm not spending $60-$80 per person either. More like $5/person if you add up the cost of snacks and my cable bill.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Fans for teams like the Pirates know that if they somehow draft a talent on par with Pujols or A-Rod they might as well not even get accustomed to the guy because the Yankees will just come take him away.

Bingo. Hit the nail on the head. In a truly, fairly competitive sport, such as football or basketball, a big market team such as NY can't just go out and outbid all of the small market teams because the CBA only allows them to spend as much as every other team. I believe both the NFL and the NBA also have a salary floor, so a team can't get by with having a payroll of $1 million.

The lack of a salary cap only benefits big market teams such as NY and Boston, who have mega bucks simply because of the large market they are in, and unfairly hinders the smaller market teams who, through no fault of their own, just don't have enough money to outspend the Yankees' or the Red Sox's of the league. They're supposed to be able to rebuild through their high draft picks as a "reward" for their bad record, but then the Yankees or Sox just come in and poach all of their best players anyway, so what's the point?

 

[BeauJangles]

That list is pretty condemning for anyone who tries to claim that "things are fine in baseball stop whining" or that "there is great parity in the MLB...more than in the NFL and the NBA!"

What's even worse is that the Yankees have threatened to sue if any sort of salary cap was ever instituted. Hmm...sounds like the Yankees have a vested interest in keeping the playing field uneven! :hmm:

Of course, the only people who ever say "baseball is fine" are Yankees or Red Sox fans. Everyone else realizes there is a reason that baseball is #3 in America and falling fast...I used to get a kick out of watching ESPN highlights and seeing them replay baseball highlights of people hitting home runs into empty stands all the time...except in NY and Boston, of course.

Hyperbole and over-reaction. Does baseball need a system that more equitably distributes resources? Yes, and I don't know many people who disagree.

To say, however, that baseball is falling apart is ridiculous. League-wide attendance has continued to climb every year since the '94 strike. Baseball is continuing to grow in popularity and even cities like Boston recognize the need for some sort of increased parity. Nobody is arguing that teams like Toronto get absolutely fucked by playing in the AL East against three teams with (potentially) very high payrolls -- New York, Boston, and Baltimore.

I don't know why you single Boston out as some huge offender, they're just one of a number of teams on the 2nd tier of payroll (behind the Yankees).

Anyway, I'd like to see some sort of cap or better market-sharing. I'd like to see an international draft or, even better, the draft entirely replaced with a bidding system. Depending on how you finish, you get X amount of dollars to spend on amateur players. Teams that finish lower get more money and, hence, can either sign more players or sign higher quality players. Teams like the Yankees would consistently have less money and, because this system would include ALL amateur players, no team could bail themselves out by signing international FAs.

I am opposed to a salary floor in MLB, simply because bad teams would be hurt by a floor. While there are teams that would exploit such a system to simply line the pockets of the owners (cough Marlins cough), most teams are better serviced pumping money into scouting and player development rather than buying overpriced FAs to meet some meaningless salary floor.