Yankees win! Yankees win!

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Toasthead

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Fairly defensive, eh?

I just feel that winning when you have the best talent/pool of money/attention/etc. should be expected. There's no reason for the Yankees NOT to win the WS. It's just not any fun to watch the Yankees win because they SHOULD win.

Exactly. When you spend 70 MILLION MORE ( thats the payroll of some entire teams!) than the next team ( also a NY Team) you shold expect nothing less than a WS victory. I would argue that this is the expected outcome and all the other years were just poor execution on their part.

Its the same thing as when a natioanlly ranked College team beats an unranked team...do you seriously celebrate winning a game you SHOULD win?

Anyways..congrats to the yanks... the best team money can buy...
 

destrekor

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YAY...baseball is finally over. Now we can actually watch real sports on the television for another 6 months without any more of this uncapped unskilled steroid ridden filth where payroll buys nearly every championsip. 1994 was the best season of baseball ever.

Its hockey + football time!!!

both good sports. but baseball is a real sport too, and highly enjoyable.
Though I often have a difficult time watching baseball on TV, or really any sport for that matter. I need to be there to really enjoy, otherwise the temptations from ADD easily win over my mind.

Unlike a lot of sports, steroids really don't bring much benefit to baseball and I don't understand why some players make use of them.
All it might do is help crank out some more power hits, but for a power hit, you still have to have a lot of batting skill. You have to hit a ball dead on, with the right motion of the bat to get the ball traveling in the appropriate direction and correct loft, have to get the timing right, and locate the ball.
If you don't have that skill, steroids don't do shit.

And even then, I'm tempted to say steroids don't offer much more than a mental conditioning bonus, because even small framed guys can crank out home runs. If you can locate and make perfect contact with a ball, the opportunity is there for a power hit. Big ass muscles don't necessarily create faster arm motion. I really think it's just a mental bonus in that they think they can hit better, so their arm swing is better.

The finance situation is where the problems are. I really like seeing good baseball and some years you can get that without insanely high salaries.

I'm an Indians fan, but occasionally root for the Tigers (blasphemy right?) because I am a fan of players. The club has their AAA team in Toledo, and the Toledo Mudhens had a few years of absolutely excellency, and quite a few of those players have made a good name for themselves in Detroit. I like rooting for the local teams, and it just so happens that Detroit Jr happens to have their local teams affiliated with the Detroit teams.

I'm starting to follow the Columbus Blue Jackets more, but I'll always have a place in my heart to root for the Red Wings, as Toledo's hockey team is the ECHL team for Detroit.
If we had basketball I'd probably root for them, but actually probably not, because I don't think that would change my opinion on how boring and retarded basketball is as a sport. Really cannot even bring myself to enjoy college basketball, not even my own school's team. Though I root for them.
 

Miramonti

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Aug 26, 2000
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Yankees are an embarrassment.

A $200m payroll and they finally eek out a world series for the first time in 9 years. How heroic.
 

Sinsear

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WAY TO GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!


Never mind the asshats trying to ruin it because their team sucks ass and doesn't care enough about the fans to put a winning team on the field.
 

chalmers

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WAY TO GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!


Never mind the asshats trying to ruin it because their team sucks ass and doesn't care enough about the fans to put a winning team on the field.

I don't have a team I root for. There's nothing they're 'going' for. Go Rays last year maybe...they had a home grown team that actually deserved respect. The Yankees do what they do and win after massively outspending everyone else. That's like USC fans celebrating winning a football tournament against division III football teams.
 

ZippyDan

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baseball is absolutely pointless and stupid until all the teams are on a level-playing-field. salary caps and profit sharing are absolutely necessary to generate long-term interest in the game in more than just the few baseball-dominant cities.

i love new york, i love the yankee's storied history, and i absolutely want to care that they won a world series, but considering how unfair the competition is, i can't bring myself to care

there is a reason the nfl is so successful.

of course, if i was in charge of any sport, i would make sure that the city/state names actually meant something: only New Yorkers could play for the Yankees. then it would be like the Olympics!

i can only be interested in two kinds of sports: geographical/ethnic divisions, or arbitrary divisions that encourage competitive games.
 

oznerol

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I don't have a team I root for. There's nothing they're 'going' for. Go Rays last year maybe...they had a home grown team that actually deserved respect. The Yankees do what they do and win after massively outspending everyone else. That's like USC fans celebrating winning a football tournament against division III football teams.

It's really not. At all.

The Yankees beat the best National league team in baseball. And the 2nd best American league team. They didn't play the Nationals or Pirates.

They lost to the Phillies over the course of the season - as well as the Angels. They are not unbeatable.

The money argument is a pathetic one. There is more parity in baseball championships than most sports with salary caps.

Do teams who can pay top players have an advantage? Definitely. But don't belittle the game by saying teams can buy wins.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Wow, so the team with numerous players who individually make more money than many entire teams' payroll won the championship?

Major League Baseball: The Only Major Sport Where Buying Championships Actually Happens

I also wonder if the Yankees got a dose of whatever A-Roid's "cousin" was "prescribing"...
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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I'm quoting this from another forum:

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for a child molester rather than the child"
 

nageov3t

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Wow, so the team with numerous players who individually make more money than many entire teams' payroll won the championship?

Major League Baseball: The Only Major Sport Where Buying Championships Actually Happens

I also wonder if the Yankees got a dose of whatever A-Roid's "cousin" was "prescribing"...

is there something preventing other teams from paying for top talent?
 

Phokus

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Wow, so the team with numerous players who individually make more money than many entire teams' payroll won the championship?

Major League Baseball: The Only Major Sport Where Buying Championships Actually Happens

I also wonder if the Yankees got a dose of whatever A-Roid's "cousin" was "prescribing"...

Hmmm, you sound like a communist ^_^
 

BoomerD

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A lot of "sour grapes" and sore losers posting in this thread...

Congrats to the Yankees. It's been a long time since the last WS win...too long.

While I'd certainly support salary caps for all sports, and I DO NOT believe ANY athlete is worth the money most of them get paid, (nor do I believe those in "high finance" are worth the mega-bucks they get paid either) as long as it's legal to pay athletes multi-million dollar salaries...they will get paid multi-million dollar salaries.
Personally, I think they should have a $200K cap on athlete salaries...They play a fucking GAME fer cryin out loud...(although there is something to be said for some compensation for the injuries that many "contact sport" athletes are likely to sustain.)
 

oznerol

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A lot of "sour grapes" and sore losers posting in this thread...

Congrats to the Yankees. It's been a long time since the last WS win...too long.

While I'd certainly support salary caps for all sports, and I DO NOT believe ANY athlete is worth the money most of them get paid, (nor do I believe those in "high finance" are worth the mega-bucks they get paid either) as long as it's legal to pay athletes multi-million dollar salaries...they will get paid multi-million dollar salaries.
Personally, I think they should have a $200K cap on athlete salaries...They play a fucking GAME fer cryin out loud...(although there is something to be said for some compensation for the injuries that many "contact sport" athletes are likely to sustain.)

32 NFL teams. 53 players per team. Out of the millions of athletes in the world, about 1700 are NFL-worthy. MLB has lower odds - 30 teams, 25 players per roster.

Add that to the fact that millions upon millions of people are willing to pay to watch them do what they do - I think they are sufficiently compensated.
 
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What a joke. I don't see how NY can even celebrate this with a straight face. It's basically like this coming up off season in the NBA when Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are free agents one team is able to get all those players. You would expect that team to win the championship. It's so unfair it's not even fun to watch. I am not pissed off because my baseball team sucks because I could give a shit about any baseball team. I'm just stating the obvious. I actually hope this is the beginning of the end of this unfair corrupt game.
 

AstroManLuca

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Congrats to the Yankees. It's been a long time since the last WS win...too long.

Uh, no it hasn't. The Yankees have won 27 WSs (as of last night) and their last one was nine years ago. Congrats to them for fielding a good team, but few teams are lucky or rich enough to get a WS every decade. There are several teams that have never won a single WS, and many others who haven't won one in 20+ years. A few haven't even been to one.

Not saying who should or shouldn't win, but if you're going to say that it's been "too long" since the Yankees won a World Series, I'm going to say it's been far too long since the Mariners, Nationals, Rangers, Cubs, Indians, Giants, Pirates, Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Mets, Dodgers, Athletics, Reds, Twins, Jays, or Braves won one.
 

HopJokey

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I posted this in the MLB thread, I wonder if anyone had any comments about sports leagues in Europe being way more imbalanced:

Do people complain about Man U. or Chelsea or Real Madrid as well when they win the Champions League?

Just wondering what the sentiment over in Europe is when the Soccer/B-ball leagues have a huge disparity in resources among teams, even larger than the MLB.

It's funny how the U.S. is perceived as the champion of capitalism and Europe socialism, but the sports leagues are somewhat opposite. In Europe it's basically free reign on players (I believe) with no caps or the like. The big teams pay the big players big bucks. In the U.S. most leagues have a cap/luxury tax/other balancing restrictions "sharing".

I'm not saying one way is right and one way is wrong, just noting an interesting observation.

Even though I'm all for "may the best man win", I think there should be some competitive balance measures because a sports league is a Co-op. The Yankees for example can't play by themselves, they need other teams to play with.
 

techs

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is there something preventing other teams from paying for top talent?

Yeah, since according to a nameless(don't wanna get banned) ATOT genius teams set ticket prices based on players salaries.

So I guess the Milwaukee Brewers should just go to a 500 million dollar salary structure next year.
And charge 6 thousand a ticket.
 

Meghan54

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I must laugh out loud about the Yankees buying the WS. I hear the same thing over and over any time any "rich" team succeeds.

Unfortunately, it's more like this......while the Yankee organization could and did hire in a few free agents during the off season---CC and Teixeira the two acquisitions that come to mind during the latest off season---the vast majority of the Yankee's lineup is a homegrown lineup. The Yankees farm system provided them Pettite, Jeter, Rivera, and Posada along with Chamberlain, Hughes, Coke, and Robertson in the bull pen.

Fact is, 48% of the Yankees players, or 12 of them, were developed from their farm system while only 24% of the roster, or 6 players, were free agent signings. The other 7 players, or 28% of their 25 player roster, were trades. If you count Andy Pettite as a "home grown" player---remember, the Yankees drafted Pettite in 2001, traded him in 2006 to the Astros, and reacquired him this year in free agency, then the percentages increase for home grown players to 52%.

The fact is that the Yankees, unlike other teams out there, has enough capital to keep the good players they grow within their farm system and not lose them to other teams when the good players come up for contract negotiations.

Also, don't put down the Yankees payroll too much. Remember, the Yankee organization pays a heavy luxury tax that's distributed throughout the smaller market teams that help keep those small market teams in existence.

So, hate the Yankees all you want.....they play by baseball's rules, do exactly what you'd want your team to do....they just do it better.

And, no, I'm no Yankees fan, but neither am I a senseless Yankee-hater-crybaby that cries when the "rich" team wins and my poor, pathetic, loser team finishes last.
 
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