YART: Should public schools be allowed to have a Bible studies class?

[LordMagnusKain]

I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
BIBLE STUDY IS NOT OBJECTIVE STUDY OF CHRISTIANITY!!!!! It's a completely different thing from a class that studies Islam, or studies Christianity, or studies Hinduism.

I agree, and this is why I do not support the idea. A "Bible study" is not objective; the people involved promote Christianity along with "studying" it. I also believe that most highschool age kids are not capable of objectively studying the Bible as a work of literature, such as you would find at the college level, and I also believe that high schools aren't capable of teaching the course as such. In addition, parents and the local community would get involved to push their own agendas.

Bad idea.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
BIBLE STUDY IS NOT OBJECTIVE STUDY OF CHRISTIANITY!!!!! It's a completely different thing from a class that studies Islam, or studies Christianity, or studies Hinduism.

I agree, and this is why I do not support the idea. A "Bible study" is not objective; the people involved promote Christianity along with "studying" it. I also believe that most highschool age kids are not capable of objectively studying the Bible as a work of literature, such as you would find at the college level, and I also believe that high schools aren't capable of teaching the course as such. In addition, parents and the local community would get involved to push their own agendas.

Bad idea.

I'd agree that it would probably be a bad idea, for the reasons you gave, but not because of something inherently wrong with studying the bible, which I think has some merit. I voted 'yes' though, because the question, as phrased, doesn't ask if public schools *should* have a bible studies class, but *should they be allowed to*. If it asked if they should, I'd have voted 'no'.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

How the hell can you say one religion is better/worse than another?

Don't you see why religious classes are pointless?

 

[Netopia]

Which is completely fine with me!

I don't want my children having to endure narrow-minded views and Creationism.

Yet I'm sure you look at yourself and think that you're very open minded even though it's totally closed to the things which are taught as truth by Christianity. Time to wake up and realize that ALL of us are closed minded if we're willing to honestly examine our thoughts.

Since you live in glass house... you probably shouldn't be throwing those stones.

Joe

 

[RabidMongoose]

I remember when I was in a Latin language class and the teacher would spend about 2-3 weeks talking about the Greek/Roman gods and such...but then one day some crazy mother heard about it and thought that the teacher was trying to convert us all and the school cancelled the sections on the mythology.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: MAME
yes if they include all 999 other religions

This argument is so useless why even bother posting it, do you learn every language when you go to school? Every piece of history? Every book in English? Or just the most influential ones, the bible is the most printed book ever, no one said anything about learning about religion.

that's because languages aren't offensive you retard

I can't believe I'm the retard when after 3 pages you still can't see the purpose of the course. I think you just don't like christianity/ bible for whatever reason, and you try to come up with some pointless arguments like if we studied all religions it would be ok, wow good job. You do realize the bible is the basis for more than one religion, and you can actually learn about more than one religion from the bible. Also, there is plenty of historical and cultural content in the bible that can be studied without even touching religion. But I guess I just could have thrown the word retard out because my reading comprehension isn't at the 4th grade level yet.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: lirion
As long as it's an elective class, and it deals with the bible as literature, or bible history, then sure. I wouldn't agree with having a class that deals with the spiritual end of it in public school though.

Agreed. Learning is learning, as long as it is taken in the proper academic context.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

How the hell can you say one religion is better/worse than another?

you didn't catch me, I'm sorry.

I particularly dislike some sects that call themselves Christian, lyeing about what they belive, changing the definitions of words to make it sound like the rest of us when in fact they are talking about completely different things. no, ploy theism is not judeo-christian.

that having been said: i recognize that we'd have to allow all points of view, including ones i adamantly disagree with, this is not something that tax-payers should be paying for. as such having classes in-school payed for by school funds would be wrong.

but, as i said, if it's an extracurricular thing, such as during lunch or after school, then it's a violation of the students freedom of religion to keep them from congregating in school.

Don't you see why religious classes are pointless?

nope.

I can name, a great number of people who i went to highschool with that would have much better lives today if they didn't get caught up with drinking and pot at an early age; a strong relegious backing would have helped greatly in avoiding this.

 

[Extrarius]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
THe Bible, especially the Old Testament, would be too racy for children. There is more adultry, incest, murder and mayhem than in most books banned from public schools.

Have you looked at some of the books that are required reading? Some of them have lots of sex, violence, etc. The bible might have more, but its nothing they haven't read in lesser amounts in other required reading.

Originally posted by: aircooled
nope.
they can learn religion on their own dime.... our tax dollars have better things to do....

You don't think broadening the mind of students is a worthy way to spend money? I definitely do.

Originally posted by: conjur
Where is the option for HELL NO?
The Bible is the basis for Christianity.[...]

You do realize that the bible is a work of literature and not a religion, right? Do you really expect a church to offer an objective, academic study of the bible?

Originally posted by: Voip
No, you go to a private school for that.

Do you think a religious school would offer an objective, academic study of the bible?

As I said before, I would have loved to be able to take classes on various religions in school. If I only learn what a specific church teaches from them, then my view is going to be narrow and limited. It is much easier to learn about something with an objective teacher of the subject. Even a subjective teacher makes it easier to learn.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

oh, of course, other peoples religions are "cults" while yours is the true faith right?

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

oh, of course, other peoples religions are "cults" while yours is the true faith right?

yeah, pretty much

 

[TuxDave]

I am perfectly fine if a public school offered a 'religions' class that talked about various religions in the world. But as said earlier, bible study is not the same as a religions classs.

 

[Extrarius]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
I am perfectly fine if a public school offered a 'religions' class that talked about various religions in the world. But as said earlier, bible study is not the same as a religions classs.

Yeah, I guess your right. A study of various religions would be a humanities class, while study of the bible would be an english and/or history (while the whole thing might or might not be history, some parts of it definitely are, and studying the literature and history together would be the best way to cover it imo).

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I think Mormonism is a cult that should not be given a platform, so not if it's a class.

now if it's a extra-curricular thing, during lunch, after school, and run by the students, then it's a flat-out violation of freedom of religion not to allow it.

oh, of course, other peoples religions are "cults" while yours is the true faith right?

only if they pretend to be a religion but then create added exclusivity that requires following a modern-day prophet.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: axelfox
In 7th grade our class studied Islam. Why didn't someone throw a fit back then? ~1992

Because you can read and study any religious writing you'd like in school as long as it has nothing to do with Christianity. We must be tolerant of all religions. Except Christianity of course. The hypocrisy is incredible. *sigh*

oh please, when has objective study of christianity been challenged?

I guess you didn't read much of this thread did you? Quite a few of the children here have clearly stated that it shouldn't be in school at all regardless of what context.

Also, when I was in high school we glossed over parts of the Koran but never even mentioned the Bible at all.

 

[Czesia]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
of course they should. Studying religion should be an elective, perhaps a religion class.

I agree entirely. There's no reason why a religion class cannot be available to those interested in learning about it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Extrarius

Originally posted by: conjur
Where is the option for HELL NO?
The Bible is the basis for Christianity.[...]

You do realize that the bible is a work of literature and not a religion, right? Do you really expect a church to offer an objective, academic study of the bible?

And...for my whole post:

The Bible is the basis for Christianity. Teaching a Bible studies course would be tantamount to the "establishment of a religion" which is strictly forbidden by the Federal Constitution.

If someone wants their children to have a Bible studies course, there are plenty of FREE Sunday School sessions or they could put their child in a private school. Or, wow, imagine this, they could teach their children themselves! Of course, in that case though, we'd have Fund A Mental Case wackos spreading distorted views of the Bible.

What other religion is based upon the Bible (the whole Bible...not just the Old Testament)? Hmmm???

None!

What I highlighted in bold is sufficient for those wishing their children to take a Bible Studies course.

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: BladeWalker
No. Separation of church and state.

What church would be involved in this class? Your answer makes no sense.

 

[arcenite]

no

 

[Extrarius]

If there was a religion that studied history for enlightenment would you support a banning history studies in public schools?

 

[microphobia]

Originally posted by: Extrarius
If there was a religion that studied history for enlightenment would you support a banning history studies in public schools?

useless, ban this guy

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Extrarius
If there was a religion that studied history for enlightenment would you support a banning history studies in public schools?

I don't know where to go with this. It's just that retarded. :disgust:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Theology classes should be allowed into schools.

Otherwise these kids will come out of school as closedminded and stupid as other religious zealots.

 

[JackBurton]

Seriously guys, I'll volunteer to teach the class. I'd be more than happy to teach the Bible. I especially like the part where they kill Jesus, but then he turns transparent and then flies to his home in the clouds.

Also, is it completely psychotic to drink human blood, but ok as long as it is Jesus' human blood? I just want to clear things up here.