I think that will play a factor in why the cop that shot did what he did.
Saw this on Cops once:
Cop - (as he is handcuffing bg) "why did you run?"
Bg - "cause you was chasing me!"
How do you know the backup officer had no idea about the situation? They invented this thing called radios which cops tend to use.
So, 1/2 the people think the officers were in the right, and the other half think that you're not allowed to shoot out the tires of a vehicle belonging to a second-time-fleeing, resisting arrest, officer-assaulting mother, UNLESS she pulls a gun and shoots at you first. And if they do shoot out the tires, it wasn't in an attempt to stop a vehicle from starting a high speed chase, putting her own family and who knows how many others in danger, but rather to pop off a few rounds for funzies.
Sure, got it.
Cops can be bad, but this time? Ya'll grasping at straws about this situation. Cops = right.
Unokitty is the man, for succinctly spelling it out for us. :thumbsup:
Frightening how many support the shooting, or aggressive escalation of force. It's as if half is us have no respect for life, or human rights.
Source?
Using lethal force against an unarmed mother with a minivan full of kids is just sad.
When I was at the MP Academy, my instructors were very clear that unless I was sure I was going to die to never draw my weapon when civilians were around. Our policy was to first maneuver the perps away from any civilians, then take appropriate action.
The woman violated a traffic law and then panicked. At no point did it appear that any police were in danger.
Appropriate action was to call the DMV, get her address, and meet her at her house. That is, a professional would have deescalated the situation.
If a person can't handle a traffic stop with a mother in a minivan without resorting to lethal force, that person shouldn't be part of the police force.
Uno
Man, you're right! After fleeing twice, refusing arrest, re-entering the vehicle (potentially for a weapon), having her son exit the vehicle twice to assault the officer, how dare that other officer shoot at the tires of the vehicle so that she couldn't take off and endanger OTHERS, all because of that simple traffic law stop (never mind she had illegal drugs on her, probably the real reason she took off).Using lethal force against an unarmed mother with a minivan full of kids is just sad.
When I was at the MP Academy, my instructors were very clear that unless I was sure I was going to die to never draw my weapon when civilians were around. Our policy was to first maneuver the perps away from any civilians, then take appropriate action.
The woman violated a traffic law and then panicked. At no point did it appear that any police were in danger.
Appropriate action was to call the DMV, get her address, and meet her at her house. That is, a professional would have deescalated the situation.
If a person can't handle a traffic stop with a mother in a minivan without resorting to lethal force, that person shouldn't be part of the police force.
Uno
Unokitty is the man, for succinctly spelling it out for us. :thumbsup:
Frightening how many support the shooting, or aggressive escalation of force. It's as if half is us have no respect for life, or human rights.
So you would support rather that the cops let the family lead them on a high speed chase on a busy highway. Maybe the family during the chase messes up and hits a 18 wheeler. The truck jack knifes and is carrying a very dangerous cargo of materials. The lives of hundreds perish because the cops let someone that shows they are willing to use violence and have a complete disregard for the law to speed away. In doing so they pose a potential threat to the general public as well as to the cops themselves.
If that had happened instead, everyone on these boards would be crying, "Why didn't the cops shoot the tires out!!" instead of this stupidity being cried out now.
The big question is will it be a high speed or slow speed chase? The family is unarmed. I don't agree with the mother but if you are on your last dime and then handed a $400 ticket that will set some people over the edge.
The big question is will it be a high speed or slow speed chase? The family is unarmed. I don't agree with the mother but if you are on your last dime and then handed a $400 ticket that will set some people over the edge.
I think that will play a factor in why the cop that shot did what he did.
Saw this on Cops once:
Cop - (as he is handcuffing bg) "why did you run?"
Bg - "cause you was chasing me!"
Simple question. Does a vehicle from a fleeing perpetrator constitute a potentially dangerous threat to the general public during a high speed chase? Answer yes or no.
You don't know the family is unarmed until AFTER they are apprehended. They are running from the police for a speeding ticket. What makes you feel people okay with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer are unarmed?
There are so many dynamics regarding high speed chase or vehicle pursuit. Imagine this mother started the whole thing by not accepting a ticket and goes downhill from there by resisting arrest. I would just keep adding the fine but to lose a life over it is not acceptable. On top of that her vehicle can get damage from the pursuit such as going over a spike strip. The mother will never forget this incident.
So fleeing from the cops is fine with you as long as they send a ticket to the registered vehicle owner?
Remind me of that the next time I am using a stolen vehicle with 100 pounds of cocaine and a dead hooker in the backseat. :biggrin:
Clearly the mother was upset because she will get a citation. She felt that if she left the citation will magically disappear. No its not okay to resist arrest but should someone die over it?
There are so many dynamics regarding high speed chase or vehicle pursuit. Imagine this mother started the whole thing by not accepting a ticket and goes downhill from there by resisting arrest. I would just keep adding the fine but to lose a life over it is not acceptable. On top of that her vehicle can get damage from the pursuit such as going over a spike strip. The mother will never forget this incident.
Should someone with no involvement in breaking the law die over it? Because her resisting arrest and fleeing at high speeds has a good chance that will happen. Roughly 1/3rd of the fatalities in high speed chases were of people in the fleeing vehicle in a study I read.
Again, she was upset she BROKE THE LAW and was getting at ticket for it? She might have gotten a warning. But, she acted as if she was entitled to break the law and then assaulted an officer, another occupant of her vehicle attempted to assault the officer AND THEN she fled from police on a high speed chase.
I guess we can just chalk it up to "being upset" and everything is okay! The police were obviously in the wrong for pulling over a black woman. I bet they are white, racist pigs!
How do you know it will be a high speed chase? Should someone be shot over a citation or resisting arrest? Only time you use force is if you know that your life is in danger none of it happened here.