YASST: 3 kids + 3 adults dead in latest school shooting...

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Moonbeam

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Looks to me like anybody can buy guns and ammunition in Kentucky so long as it is federally legal. Sounds like I could go their and buy ammo but it would not be California legal to bring it into the state without registering it.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I like the somewhat morbid idea of starting to publicize the aftermath of these shootings. Still too abstract and sterile for a lot of people. Oh, someone died, oh some kids died, people die all the time whatever.

I noticed a lot of people on Reddit were having a more visceral reaction to the dead woman in pink from the released police shoulder cam footage, even with the blocky blurring. Like there is a dead teacher/student (?) on the ground right there as they approach the shooter.

It's a small blip of the released footage, a lot of people probably missed it, but if you didn't it hits hard.

No one gave a shit about black civil rights until they saw them on TV getting hosed down. No one cared about the gays until they knew one. It's needs to be made personal and brought into people's homes and shoved in their faces.

If everyone saw a classroom full of dead first graders after Sandy Hook, SOMETHING would have happened.
 

Muse

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Well, BANNING guns would be easy. Just pass a law.

Do you honestly think that will make a difference? Do you think uncle Jimbo is gonna hand over his rifle or his anything to the ATF when they knock on his door?
No.
A shitload of feds will probably be killed trying to enforce such a law. And even though congress is filled with cold, heartless individuals, they are at least practical. They know it would be almost impossible to get a ban passed thru the House and Senate. They also know it would cost billions to actually enforce it, and for the first few years it would be a god damn nightmare.

I still think we need to address this as a mental health issue and the same congress critters who block any and all firearm reforms are the same people who block any and all health care reforms. I'm not seeing any solution except release the stranglehold Fox News has on America, and get those people voting for Democrats or Reform Republicans.
Do you honestly think it won't make a difference to pass that law??? You have no imagination. You pass the fucking law making it a felony to knowingly own an assault rifle. You don't spend 50 billion dollars enforcing it. You just wait. WTF are people going to do with their AR's? They are a ticket to long stretches in the pen. Plenty of people will just turn them in for a $100 rebate (IIRC there's 12 million in the country. 1.2 billion $$s should be plenty to cover the buy-backs at $100). The others can stew on theirs until they get sick and tired of it. They will be useless. Yes, some will be used to kill innocent children, but fewer and fewer. And don't forget, the ammo won't be sold OTC. What are people going to do with the ammo? Sit on it like their AR's. Dude, your flag decal or AR won't get you into heaven anymore.
 

Muse

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Ahem....
This is the United States
That would result in the taking away of property and as we all know, property is more important than life.
You for example are worth less than 32 inch TV.
Many gun owners have clearly stated that the value of their firearm is worth more than the life of law enforcement officer.
If someone is willing to murder a civil servant who shows up to confiscate banned items, you are definitely worth less than a Vizio.
You need your head examined, it don't work too good. You haven't noticed? Cops don't take kindly to people who shoot cops. The judges don't either. Prison guards, ditto.
 

gothuevos

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I like the somewhat morbid idea of starting to publicize the aftermath of these shootings. Still too abstract and sterile for a lot of people. Oh, someone died, oh some kids died, people die all the time whatever.

I noticed a lot of people on Reddit were having a more visceral reaction to the dead woman in pink from the released police shoulder cam footage, even with the blocky blurring. Like there is a dead teacher/student (?) on the ground right there as they approach the shooter.

It's a small blip of the released footage, a lot of people probably missed it, but if you didn't it hits hard.

No one gave a shit about black civil rights until they saw them on TV getting hosed down. No one cared about the gays until they knew one. It's needs to be made personal and brought into people's homes and shoved in their faces.

If everyone saw a classroom full of dead first graders after Sandy Hook, SOMETHING would have happened.

It's too late for our lifetimes.

Just let schools have a cop on campus if they can afford it. An imperfect solution but better than doing absolutely nothing. Will it work? I have no fucking clue. Do it for 5 years and see what happens.

The rest of you talking about an assault weapons ban and AR buyback are not living in reality LOL. Trump couldn't even get bump stocks banned.
 
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Zor Prime

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The banning guns stuff is great and all. Y'all have fun going in circles with that. How about something practical and easier to put into motion.

Where I'm from in WV this past year a loaded clip was found on school grounds and some kid was packing on a bus.

That jump started a program where deputies randomly patrol schools in the county. Cost per year: $25K.
 

Fenixgoon

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The banning guns stuff is great and all. Y'all have fun going in circles with that. How about something practical and easier to put into motion.

Where I'm from in WV this past year a loaded clip was found on school grounds and some kid was packing on a bus.

That jump started a program where deputies randomly patrol schools in the county. Cost per year: $25K.
Seems like an excellent use of tax payer dollars. /S
If only there were some way to remove guns from the equation altogether......
 

Viper1j

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Well, BANNING guns would be easy. Just pass a law.

Do you honestly think that will make a difference? Do you think uncle Jimbo is gonna hand over his rifle or his anything to the ATF when they knock on his door?
No.
A shitload of feds will probably be killed trying to enforce such a law. And even though congress is filled with cold, heartless individuals, they are at least practical. They know it would be almost impossible to get a ban passed thru the House and Senate. They also know it would cost billions to actually enforce it, and for the first few years it would be a god damn nightmare.

I still think we need to address this as a mental health issue and the same congress critters who block any and all firearm reforms are the same people who block any and all health care reforms. I'm not seeing any solution except release the stranglehold Fox News has on America, and get those people voting for Democrats or Reform Republicans.

I say let uncle Jimbo leep his gun(s). Just charge $5000.00 a box for ammo. Jimbo will have to sell his trailer and his boat to shoot someone, and he won't do that.

 

brycejones

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The banning guns stuff is great and all. Y'all have fun going in circles with that. How about something practical and easier to put into motion.

Where I'm from in WV this past year a loaded clip was found on school grounds and some kid was packing on a bus.

That jump started a program where deputies randomly patrol schools in the county. Cost per year: $25K.
So $25k for security theatre.

Lol
 
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purbeast0

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Any politician who won't support some sort of gun ban is a fucking coward.

I mean in this country, we used to have segregated bathrooms, women couldn't vote, black people were slaves, the list could go on...

But guess what? We made big changes for the better of the country and well being of the whole country. Sure some people were made about it (probably a very large overlap of the gun nutters) but who cares, fuck them. In the end it was for the better.

So yeah, buncha cowards running this god damn country. The solution IS SO FUCKING EASY and we have literal world examples of it solving the problem with nearly every other developed nation solving it VERY FUCKING EASILY.
 

Zor Prime

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So $25k for security theatre.

Lol
Sort of. But it makes it known there is a police presence and somewhat hardens an otherwise soft target. Cowards tend to go after soft targets, as you know. For example, supposing this atrocity was politically motivated and it's not beyond a stretch that it was, they could have rolled into a church on Sunday and gotten larger results but this is where cowardice comes into play. They could have gotten larger results, but picked a known soft target so they could defer dying as long as possible and extend their rampage ... unless they had a personal beef with an administrator at the school, but why go after kids if that's all it was.

$25k for any extra layer of security even if it's smoke and mirrors part of the time for 13 schools is ridiculously cheap and I don't think anyone here would dispute that.

edit: 13 schools, not 10.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Sort of. But it makes it known there is a police presence and somewhat hardens an otherwise soft target. Cowards tend to go after soft targets, as you know. For example, supposing this atrocity was politically motivated and it's not beyond a stretch that it was, they could have rolled into a church on Sunday and gotten larger results but this is where cowardice comes into play. They could have gotten larger results, but picked a known soft target so they could defer dying as long as possible and extend their rampage ... unless they had a personal beef with an administrator at the school, but why go after kids if that's all it was.

$25k for any extra layer of security even if it's smoke and mirrors part of the time for 10 schools is ridiculously cheap and I don't think anyone here would dispute that.
$25k for something that does nothing is very expensive.
So let's say these school are now non-ideal targets.. why not just shift to a softer target then? A mall, grocery store, church, etc. The opportunities for mass casualties are infinitely greater than society's ability to provide "hard" defense.

The only logical option left is to remove the tools that make such events possible in the first place.
 

Zor Prime

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$25k for something that does nothing is very expensive.
So let's say these school are now non-ideal targets.. why not just shift to a softer target then? A mall, grocery store, church, etc. The opportunities for mass casualties are infinitely greater than society's ability to provide "hard" defense.

The only logical option left is to remove the tools that make such events possible in the first place.
Read my post again, I already explained. Well, excuse me, I guess. Let me spell it out. Schools typically don't have people running around with guns because they're, I hate to say this, "gun-free zones," but it's true. However cops are authorized to carry, we know this. The malls, grocery stores and churches you mentioned likely have people carrying, they're inherently more hardened than your typical school.

I do not agree that the random police presence does nothing. That's fine you think it doesn't. If I were to put on an evil dipshit hat and contemplate massacre, knowing that my school of choice has a random police presence throws an extra equation into my plans to account for, thus it does provide an additional layer of security. Especially if the police happen to be on patrol, and I wouldn't know, because it's random.
 

eelw

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It's too late for our lifetimes.

Just let schools have a cop on campus if they can afford it. An imperfect solution but better than doing absolutely nothing. Will it work? I have no fucking clue. Do it for 5 years and see what happens.

The rest of you talking about an assault weapons ban and AR buyback are not living in reality LOL. Trump couldn't even get bump stocks banned.
Uvalde proves it doesn’t work. And don’t pretend that was the exception. The reaction from this Nashville team is the exception. Of all shootings these past several years, there’s less than 20 where a good guy with a gun did stop the bad guy. And over half of those were off duty officers.

Unlike if AR15 were banned, none of the past several school shootings would have been as bad. Yeah the shooter would have just used a handgun instead but far less would have been killed.
 
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Especially if the police happen to be on patrol, and I wouldn't know, because it's random.
That's not going to deter these suicidal maniacs. Do they really care if they get killed before managing to shoot a single bullet? These retards want to die with a bang in stark contrast to their worthless miserable lives. A showdown with a cop or security guard won't look too bad in their minds. As long as they have a gun, they think they have a chance to be something.
 

HomerJS

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It's too late for our lifetimes.

Just let schools have a cop on campus if they can afford it. An imperfect solution but better than doing absolutely nothing. Will it work? I have no fucking clue. Do it for 5 years and see what happens.
We know the answer to that question. Majorie Stillman Douglass had an armed guard on campus.
 
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brycejones

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Sort of. But it makes it known there is a police presence and somewhat hardens an otherwise soft target. Cowards tend to go after soft targets, as you know. For example, supposing this atrocity was politically motivated and it's not beyond a stretch that it was, they could have rolled into a church on Sunday and gotten larger results but this is where cowardice comes into play. They could have gotten larger results, but picked a known soft target so they could defer dying as long as possible and extend their rampage ... unless they had a personal beef with an administrator at the school, but why go after kids if that's all it was.

$25k for any extra layer of security even if it's smoke and mirrors part of the time for 13 schools is ridiculously cheap and I don't think anyone here would dispute that.

edit: 13 schools, not 10.
That this qualifies as security is laughable.
 
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