YASST: 3 kids + 3 adults dead in latest school shooting...

[Indus]

Conservaterrorism is a mental disease but no they don't want healthcare!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640512268927418368

 

[Indus]

This is now the 4th trans mass shooter recently. Not saying there is pattern here or anything.

This was also a hate crime.

I hope there are more victims of trans shooters.. every single felixdecat who picks on trans needs to pay for their actions in BLOOD!

 

[eelw]

I hope there are more victims of trans shooters.. every single felixdecat who picks on trans needs to pay for their actions in BLOOD!

And to be frank, most of us won’t shed a tear

 

[Indus]

And to be frank, most of us won’t shed a tear

hear hear

 

[gothuevos]

I hope there are more victims of trans shooters.. every single felixdecat who picks on trans needs to pay for their actions in BLOOD!

Not helpful.

 

[nakedfrog]

I hope there are more victims of trans shooters.. every single felixdecat who picks on trans needs to pay for their actions in BLOOD!

Let's not become the thing we hate.

 

[Indus]

Not helpful.

sure it is.. lets twist their twisted logic and shove it right down their throats and see how they like it.

They always think we're weak and they're strong with the guns. Time they learned life isn't all unicorns and rainbows and people do fight back if pushed and prodded enough!



And as for the not helpful talk.. how many people's minds have you changed in the last 10 year from that kind of hateful rhetoric talk?

I mean really.. how many people were killed in America last year from drag queens in heels vs guns?

And then how many laws were made to address guns vs people who wear high heels?

And you the gall to say I'm being hateful.. REALLY???

 

[eelw]

Latest briefing. She was receiving medical mental care. Her parents had thought she didn’t have anymore weapons. But red flag laws should be mandatory

 

[FelixDeCat]

Latest briefing. She was receiving medical mental care. Her parents had thought she didn’t have anymore weapons. But red flag laws should be mandatory

So much this. I believe people should get mental care. But we need that to be part of the gun check data base.

 

[nakedfrog]

sure it is.. lets twist their twisted logic and shove it right down their throats and see how they like it.

They always think we're weak and they're strong with the guns. Time they learned life isn't all unicorns and rainbows and people do fight back if pushed and prodded enough!



And as for the not helpful talk.. how many people's minds have you changed in the last 10 year from that kind of hateful rhetoric talk?

I mean really.. how many people were killed in America last year from drag queens in heels vs guns?

And then how many laws were made to address guns vs people who wear high heels?

And you the gall to say I'm being hateful.. REALLY???

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

 

[gothuevos]

Latest briefing. She was receiving medical mental care. Her parents had thought she didn’t have anymore weapons. But red flag laws should be mandatory

As soon as you open the door to "red flag laws," you are at the complete mercy of what the state deems to be "unacceptable."

Red flaw gun laws for being trans? What about for being Muslim? I guess whatever the state or controlling party at the time deems "mental health."

And if you can put red flag laws in place for guns, why stop there? Why not red flag laws for suspending your right to vote? Or suspending due process? It can be abused. And when the GOP has complete control of the government again one day, you can bet they will not hesitate to use it fully.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I hope there are more victims of trans shooters.. every single felixdecat who picks on trans needs to pay for their actions in BLOOD!

I know you don't mean that. I know your partner is trans so I can understand the defensiveness on your part. Violence is the solution to nothing. Let's keep the conversation peaceful.

If there is a pattern of trans school shooters don't you think that is worth noting? I think so because this particular person messaged someone just before the incident indicating they were about to do something horrible and would die in the process. That person contacted authorities but it was too late.

 

[Perknose]

So much this. I believe people should get mental care. But we need that to be part of the gun check data base.

I confess Mr. Cat, that I saw your name as the latest respondent here and braced myself for what I might read. So it is with great relief that I can say I agree with your post 100%.

There has been a couple of absolutely inhuman and unacceptable responses here from one particular poster. That poster should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Indus]

I know you don't mean that. I know your partner is trans so I can understand the defensiveness on your part. Violence is the solution to nothing. Let's keep the conversation peaceful.

If there is a pattern of trans school shooters don't you think that is worth noting? I think so because this particular person messaged someone just before the incident indicating they were about to do something horrible and would die in the process. That person contacted authorities but it was too late.

Thank you for at least understanding that not every trans person is coocoo.

And yeah obviously something wrong with this person and I believe that taking guns out of the mentally unstable ought to be done with red flag laws.

We're a population of 300+ million.

5% are criminals
but 0.2% are mentally unstable and they're the ones who commit mass shootings.

We don't give criminals guns but the mentally unstable get access to everything and they shouldn't.

But I guess I run into 2A nutty opposition there who blame it all on trans folks.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I confess Mr. Cat, that I saw your name as the latest respondent here and braced myself for what I might read. So it is with great relief that I can say I agree with your post 100%.

There has been a couple of absolutely inhuman and unacceptable responses here from one particular poster. That poster should be ashamed of themselves.

I've known people with mental health issues, some of which went on to take their own lives. It's very sad. One was a beautiful 15 year old girl. At the time I was 18 and did not understand how someone so pretty could have any problems. I heard later that she killed herself.

 

[Indus]

I've known people with mental health issues, some of which went on to take their own lives. It's very sad. One was a beautiful 15 year old girl. At the time I was 18 and did not understand how someone so pretty could have any problems. I heard later that she killed herself.

we forget root causes

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640470308938301440

 

[Pens1566]

Sounds like this one would have been stopped with some common sense laws that aren't on the books in TN. Red flag for one ...

 

[interchange]

This is now the 4th trans mass shooter recently.

Define recently. I did find a newsmax article on the topic referencing a viral tweet including 3 trans shooters since 2018 and the Colorado Springs shooter whose lawyers state identifies as non-binary (this is apparently in some dispute). So that's really 3 in 5 years. I wouldn't call 5 years "recently", but that's subjective.

Not saying there is pattern here or anything.

You are implying there is by posting this.

This was also a hate crime.

Possibly. It's way too premature to make the call. My inclination is that the shooter's personal connection to the school would mean hate crime charges would not be made.


It is difficult to get a clear sense of the numbers here. The newsweek article stated 2861 mass shootings in the US since 2018, though I'm not sure the source or the specific criteria. They do note that some shootings have more than one shooter. Of course we also don't know for sure that the 3 identified trans shooters above comprises all of them. If this is accurate, 3 / 2861 shootings would be 0.1% of mass shootings. Also hard to know what percentage of US adults are trans. What I could find was as of 2016 estimated 0.5-0.6% of US adults. This would argue that being trans is protective against risk of being a mass shooter. But that is certainly not a conclusion that could be drawn without a much more significant analysis. It's worth pointing out only to dispel the suggestion of the opposite.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let's not become the thing we hate.

That was the crux of my message following 2016. In not so few words.
It was soundly rejected.

But honestly... if they are "coming for us", and we must resist, what choice do we have?
In the acts of violence that follow, we will almost certainly lose ourselves and our nation. If / when civil pretense yields to violent outburst, the value of life in this country will fall to that of Russian meat on the killing fields of Ukraine. All those we think to save will be lost in the madness.

 

[nakedfrog]

That was the crux of my message following 2016. In not so few words.
It was soundly rejected.

But honestly... if they are "coming for us", and we must resist, what choice do we have?
In the acts of violence that follow, we will almost certainly lose ourselves and our nation. If / when civil pretense yields to violent outburst, the value of life in this country will fall to that of Russian meat on the killing fields of Ukraine. All those we think to save will be lost in the madness.

I approve of resistance, but that's not what I took out of Indus' post.

 

[MrSquished]

That was the crux of my message following 2016. In not so few words.
It was soundly rejected.

But honestly... if they are "coming for us", and we must resist, what choice do we have?
In the acts of violence that follow, we will almost certainly lose ourselves and our nation. If / when civil pretense yields to violent outburst, the value of life in this country will fall to that of Russian meat on the killing fields of Ukraine. All those we think to save will be lost in the madness.

This is it. I have never advocated for pre-emptive violence. I am just saying recognize the enemy and be prepared. These psychos are coming for decency and our way of life. It's time to know this, arm ourselves and start to form communities that recognize this, and encourage our politicians to have emergency plans ready for when these fascist evil scum come knocking again.

 

[Indus]

I approve of resistance, but that's not what I took out of Indus' post.

And how exactly do you resist bullying without fighting back?

Curious to know the answer because I haven't found a way to get rid of a bully other than fighting back.. ignoring them just pushes them to do more damage to you.

 

[nakedfrog]

I know you don't mean that. I know your partner is trans so I can understand the defensiveness on your part. Violence is the solution to nothing. Let's keep the conversation peaceful.

If there is a pattern of trans school shooters don't you think that is worth noting? I think so because this particular person messaged someone just before the incident indicating they were about to do something horrible and would die in the process. That person contacted authorities but it was too late.

So you're suggesting perhaps we could analyze the data from mass shootings, look for patterns, and act upon them? And restrict gun access in some way based on those findings? Please contact your representatives with your feelings on this and see how they respond.

 

[Jaskalas]

I approve of resistance, but that's not what I took out of Indus' post.

Thus the part about losing ourselves.
If one side wants action, the other has no choice. The damage will be done, body and soul. Thus the cycle of violence continues. Even the haters were victims of something.

No, wanting more people to shoot up schools is horrific. But horror is coming whether we will it or not. Our government is divided and thus powerless to act. And Americans will refuse to be disarmed peacefully. There is neither a will nor a way to protect our people from a monster of our own creation. I do not approve of what Indus said, but I will lament the sad reality that is our broken home.

 

[nakedfrog]

And how exactly do you resist bullying without fighting back?

Curious to know the answer because I haven't found a way to get rid of a bully other than fighting back.. ignoring them just pushes them to do more damage to you.

I don't think fighting back with a "blood for blood" approach is going to go the way you suggest it will. Fight back, sure, but not with more killing. They're not going to leave trans people alone if we respond with violence, that will only fuel their hate further.