YASST: 3 kids + 3 adults dead in latest school shooting...

[Muse]

Yes, me not caring about the opinions of gun nutters regarding their AR-15s is exactly the same as mass shooters not caring about whatever it is they don’t care about.

Shouldn’t have broken my own rule and read a Moonbeam post.

There you go. Most are to be avoided.

 

[Moonbeam]

There you go. Most are to be avoided.

I find this so humorous. Remember, your mental framework and the armor you live behind to protect you from real self knowledge can be threatened by reading a Moonbeam post. You don't see that your projection of me missing some screws is your fear of yours falling out.

I promise, you have nothing to fear. There's not a thing of earth that can force you to confront yourself, not even the threat of extinction. Truth is for seekers, You might not be one. Truth requires the death of the ego. People who lack ego aren't the first up to advise others who is crazy and who is not. But those who are threatened by truth certainly will. Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.

 

[Moonbeam]

Don’t really care about that kind of reasoning as long as those people stay out of my home state. We have one of the lowest rates of gun ownership and, surprise, the single lowest rate in the country of death by firearm.

Speaking as one of the 8% or whatever it is of people who own a gun here

edit: Hawaii is now slightly lower.

What state and why are you a gun owner? And surely you realize that what you don't care about has no relationship to what others do care about or even that what you don't care about should suggest other's shouldn't care either. It is just all feels like any good conservative will have, or any who equate passion of opinion with force of evidence.

Seems to me that our forefathers believed with their experience with the British that an armed citizenry would be a perquisite for community self defense. But that was when there was abundant evidence of an external threat and a deep suspicion of government centralized power. Today you're more afraid of your neighbor and want to threaten this old old wisdom of the practice of self defense. You are all to happy to jump out of the frying pan and disarm with no idea of what that will mean to where we afterward land.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here is an educational opinion piece in my opinion:

Crack down on guns for the Nashville school shooting, not trans people

A 28-year-old transgender man named Audrey Hale appears responsible for the Nashville shooting. That’s a tragedy, but no excuse to crack down on trans rights.

www.sfchronicle.com

Of course the logical conclusion is the same one that authoritarian liberals and conservatives make, that we need More Guns to protect ourselves against guns because guns are as good a tool for ending violence as they are for causing it. The hypocrisy would be amazing if it didn't make such good sense.

 

[Viper1j]

I'll just park this here for a while for consideration...

 

[EduCat]

It is strange to me to see people wanting to ban tik-tok but not guns lol. Seems to me it is simply easier to ban guns vs the complexities of the human mind.

 

[shortylickens]

AR-15 is perfect for killing the maximum number of people in the least amount of time

Sounds like an offensive weapon to me

No, it isnt.
Go read the reports by Dr Martin Fackler.
Or if you want it laid out for you:

Terminal Ballistics: How Bullets Wound and Kill

In this article, we're digging into terminal ballistics: the science of what happens when the bullet impacts a target. In particular, we're going over the history of the research and what we know today about how bullets wound and kill a target.

www.everydaymarksman.co

We have AR-15's cuz the air force wanted a light-weight, relatively simple rifle. Thats the only reason.
That nut in Vegas shot well over a thousand bullets, but only hit 413 people and only killed 60. Thats a shitty rifle. The real issue here is theres no red flag laws in most of the nation, and a nut job with a single shot .22 is still dangerous and should not be allowed access to anything.
But as Kyle Rittenhouse proved, that doesn't matter. If you are 17 and your friend illegally gives you a rifle and you illegally carry it and illegally shoot people, you will still get a trial by jury and a shit-hot lawyer can still get you acquitted.
Zimmerman too.

So yeah, THOSE kinds of arguments would be a good tactic in trying to get congress to enact real change. But aside from Jon Stewart, not many people are really fighting this battle intelligently.

 

[shortylickens]

It is strange to me to see people wanting to ban tik-tok but not guns lol. Seems to me it is simply easier to ban guns vs the complexities of the human mind.

Well, BANNING guns would be easy. Just pass a law.

Do you honestly think that will make a difference? Do you think uncle Jimbo is gonna hand over his rifle or his anything to the ATF when they knock on his door?
No.
A shitload of feds will probably be killed trying to enforce such a law. And even though congress is filled with cold, heartless individuals, they are at least practical. They know it would be almost impossible to get a ban passed thru the House and Senate. They also know it would cost billions to actually enforce it, and for the first few years it would be a god damn nightmare.

I still think we need to address this as a mental health issue and the same congress critters who block any and all firearm reforms are the same people who block any and all health care reforms. I'm not seeing any solution except release the stranglehold Fox News has on America, and get those people voting for Democrats or Reform Republicans.

 

[HomerJS]

No, it isnt.
Go read the reports by Dr Martin Fackler.
Or if you want it laid out for you:

Terminal Ballistics: How Bullets Wound and Kill

In this article, we're digging into terminal ballistics: the science of what happens when the bullet impacts a target. In particular, we're going over the history of the research and what we know today about how bullets wound and kill a target.

www.everydaymarksman.co

We have AR-15's cuz the air force wanted a light-weight, relatively simple rifle. Thats the only reason.
That nut in Vegas shot well over a thousand bullets, but only hit 413 people and only killed 60. Thats a shitty rifle. The real issue here is theres no red flag laws in most of the nation, and a nut job with a single shot .22 is still dangerous and should not be allowed access to anything.
But as Kyle Rittenhouse proved, that doesn't matter. If you are 17 and your friend illegally gives you a rifle and you illegally carry it and illegally shoot people, you will still get a trial by jury and a shit-hot lawyer can still get you acquitted.
Zimmerman too.

So yeah, THOSE kinds of arguments would be a good tactic in trying to get congress to enact real change. But aside from Jon Stewart, not many people are really fighting this battle intelligently.

I'm not talking about the actual bullet. A well trained person can defend themselves with a handgun. Can you give me the scenario where you need a 100 round mag for defense?

I heard a hunter on the radio today. It's about marksmanship not spraying out 40 bullets in <45 sec.

If the magazine size can be limited to a max of 6 I might be ok with AR-15s

 

[nOOky]

I live and work where there is a strong gun culture. We have a lot of hunting and fishing and shooting sports, and a lot of gun nuts. I work with probably a dozen crazies that would not give up their guns over their dead body. They literally think Obama or now Biden would personally knock on their door and take all their guns away.

Anyway this morning I got into it with one of them. He was literally shaking with anger at the prospect of him having to surrender any gun. I have never, ever seen one of these idiots shaking with anger over the thought of a dead child. They claim that they give a shit, but they don't. If it came down to handing over their penis extensions, or having someone three states away lose a child to gun violence, I guess too bad for the kid. Most of us have known this for some time.

I really think that Democrats need to start hitting them over the head with it come election time. Do you want dead kids in schools, or more guns in circulation? Use it as a single issue vote like abortion, and hammer these conservative idiots that don't want to do anything about the deaths of innocent children.

 

[pauldun170]

I live and work where there is a strong gun culture. We have a lot of hunting and fishing and shooting sports, and a lot of gun nuts. I work with probably a dozen crazies that would not give up their guns over their dead body. They literally think Obama or now Biden would personally knock on their door and take all their guns away.

Anyway this morning I got into it with one of them. He was literally shaking with anger at the prospect of him having to surrender any gun. I have never, ever seen one of these idiots shaking with anger over the thought of a dead child. They claim that they give a shit, but they don't. If it came down to handing over their penis extensions, or having someone three states away lose a child to gun violence, I guess too bad for the kid. Most of us have known this for some time.

I really think that Democrats need to start hitting them over the head with it come election time. Do you want dead kids in schools, or more guns in circulation? Use it as a single issue vote like abortion, and hammer these conservative idiots that don't want to do anything about the deaths of innocent children.

Certain people - "If you take away guns from law abiding gun owners, only criminals will have guns!!"

Normal people- "if they confiscate it door to door, what will you do"

Certain people- "Over my dead body"

Normal people - "You going to murder the people that come to collect the guns and become the criminal in your cute little fucking cliche?"

(Points to every accusation is an admission thread)

 

[EduCat]

Well, BANNING guns would be easy. Just pass a law.

Do you honestly think that will make a difference? Do you think uncle Jimbo is gonna hand over his rifle or his anything to the ATF when they knock on his door?
No.
A shitload of feds will probably be killed trying to enforce such a law. And even though congress is filled with cold, heartless individuals, they are at least practical. They know it would be almost impossible to get a ban passed thru the House and Senate. They also know it would cost billions to actually enforce it, and for the first few years it would be a god damn nightmare.

I still think we need to address this as a mental health issue and the same congress critters who block any and all firearm reforms are the same people who block any and all health care reforms. I'm not seeing any solution except release the stranglehold Fox News has on America, and get those people voting for Democrats or Reform Republicans.

It should be pretty easy. Uncle Jimbo and co. are patriots and law abiding citizens, so if it was against the law and an order was placed to turn them in I am sure they would insist on being on the right side of the law. Everyone would just gladly turn them in.

 

[sandorski]

No, it isnt.
Go read the reports by Dr Martin Fackler.
Or if you want it laid out for you:

Terminal Ballistics: How Bullets Wound and Kill

In this article, we're digging into terminal ballistics: the science of what happens when the bullet impacts a target. In particular, we're going over the history of the research and what we know today about how bullets wound and kill a target.

www.everydaymarksman.co

We have AR-15's cuz the air force wanted a light-weight, relatively simple rifle. Thats the only reason.
That nut in Vegas shot well over a thousand bullets, but only hit 413 people and only killed 60. Thats a shitty rifle. The real issue here is theres no red flag laws in most of the nation, and a nut job with a single shot .22 is still dangerous and should not be allowed access to anything.
But as Kyle Rittenhouse proved, that doesn't matter. If you are 17 and your friend illegally gives you a rifle and you illegally carry it and illegally shoot people, you will still get a trial by jury and a shit-hot lawyer can still get you acquitted.
Zimmerman too.

So yeah, THOSE kinds of arguments would be a good tactic in trying to get congress to enact real change. But aside from Jon Stewart, not many people are really fighting this battle intelligently.

That's a 40+% Hit rate. Seems pretty high.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am an avid gun user and 2nd amendment supporter. I got my first gun 22 LR bolt action rifle at the ripe old age of 13. Killed many squirrels with that weapon.

I would support meaningful nation wide gun control laws such as:

Real Background checks before the purchase of any firearm.
Limiting magazine capacities on semiautomatic rifles and pistols.
Real "Red Flag" laws that are enforced and allow the confiscation of weapons.
Start up mental Health facilities again.

Just banning the mythical "Assault Weapon" is meaningless. A real national uniform definition is required. Unless this happens they are just pissing in the wind.

Like Joe the other day doesn't know the difference between an AK47 and an AR15.

 

[Indus]

I am an avid gun user and 2nd amendment supporter. I got my first gun 22 LR bolt action rifle at the ripe old age of 13. Killed many squirrels with that weapon.

I would support meaningful nation wide gun control laws such as:

Real Background checks before the purchase of any firearm.
Limiting magazine capacities on semiautomatic rifles and pistols.
Real "Red Flag" laws that are enforced and allow the confiscation of weapons.
Start up mental Health facilities again.

Just banning the mythical "Assault Weapon" is meaningless. A real national uniform definition is required. Unless this happens they are just pissing in the wind.

Like Joe the other day doesn't know the difference between an AK47 and an AR15.

But but but.. SQUIRREL LIVES MATTER!!!

LOL.

Actually I agree with you.. mental health checks are important and it ought to be like getting a driving license where you get your vision checked every so often with a driving record.

Ability to use guns should be regulated rather than a right.

And health care (including mental health) should be a right!

 

[pcgeek11]

But but but.. SQUIRREL LIVES MATTER!!!

Let one eat the wiring in your car or get into your attic and you'll change your mind quickly.

LOL

Plus they are delicious with biscuits and gravy.

Fried Squirrel with Biscuits and Gravy

Fried squirrel makes a tasty meal, breakfast, lunch or dinner. Anywhere you'd enjoy fried chicken is a great place to serve chicken of the trees. Let's face it, most things taste amazing fried, and fried squirrel

practicalselfreliance.com

 

[MrSquished]

I am an avid gun user and 2nd amendment supporter. I got my first gun 22 LR bolt action rifle at the ripe old age of 13. Killed many squirrels with that weapon.

I would support meaningful nation wide gun control laws such as:

Real Background checks before the purchase of any firearm.
Limiting magazine capacities on semiautomatic rifles and pistols.
Real "Red Flag" laws that are enforced and allow the confiscation of weapons.
Start up mental Health facilities again.

Just banning the mythical "Assault Weapon" is meaningless. A real national uniform definition is required. Unless this happens they are just pissing in the wind.

Like Joe the other day doesn't know the difference between an AK47 and an AR15.

Should ban all semiautomatic rifles really. Handguns, shotguns and bolt action rifles should cover any gun nuts needs.

Mandatory waiting periods. Reduce the amount of places that can sell guns. They fucking sell guns like candy at any kind of store in the crazy regressive deep south.

 

[Meghan54]

Should ban all semiautomatic rifles really. Handguns, shotguns and bolt action rifles should cover any gun nuts needs.

Mandatory waiting periods. Reduce the amount of places that can sell guns. They fucking sell guns like candy at any kind of store in the crazy regressive deep south.

Come on. That last part is just stupid hyperbole on your part, makes you look foolish and uninformed, and about completely disqualifies the rest of your rant.

 

[pcgeek11]

Should ban all semiautomatic rifles really. Handguns, shotguns and bolt action rifles should cover any gun nuts needs.

Mandatory waiting periods. Reduce the amount of places that can sell guns. They fucking sell guns like candy at any kind of store in the crazy regressive deep south.

How about semiautomatic hand guns and shotguns?

They don't sell guns at any kind of store in the south. That is a ignorant statement at best. They all have to meet the same requirements to obtain a Federal Firearms License, Plus whatever the State Requires on top of that.

Federal Requirements for an FFL​

The federal requirements are the same in every state, which we cover here: Getting an FFL.


Federal requirements to get an FFL include:

• Being at least 21 years of age
• Being a US Citizen or legal permanent resident
• Being legally permitted to possess firearms and ammunition (no felony convictions, have not been a psychological patient or controlled substance user, etc.)
• Having a predetermined location for conducting FFL activities (this includes home-based FFLs)
• Having never violated the Gun Control Act (GCA) or related regulations
• Not making any false statements/claims on your FFL application

Once you submit all the forms required by the ATF and have paid for the license with your credit card, they will start the process by completing a NICS background check on all “responsible persons” for the business. A responsible person (RP) can be the sole proprietor or any partner in the corporation who will influence the business’s practices and policies.


Once all application paperwork is verified as correct, and all NICS background checks come back clean, the application goes to a local ATF field office.


An industry operations investigator (IOI) will set up an in-person interview set during their hours of operation. This interview will determine whether or not you are following all South Carolina state and local laws and if you can receive your FFL.


The IOI will make a recommendation to either approve or deny your FFL application after the interview. The ATF field office supervisor would send the approved application to the Federal Firearms Licensing Center (FFLC) if you passed. The FFLC will assign you an FFL number, which will be sent to you through the mail.


According to the ATF website, it takes only 60 days from submitting a completed application to receiving your FFL number. However, in some states, the state requires additional forms and more complicated steps beyond the ATF’s during this process.

Once you satisfy all of the Federal requirements, you can move on to the South Carolina state-specific requirements.

 

[shortylickens]

That's a 40+% Hit rate. Seems pretty high.

I mean, it was literally a crowd of people. All stuck together. So no, his hit rate was terrible.

 

[Indus]

Let one eat the wiring in your car or get into your attic and you'll change your mind quickly.

LOL

Plus they are delicious with biscuits and gravy.

Fried Squirrel with Biscuits and Gravy

Fried squirrel makes a tasty meal, breakfast, lunch or dinner. Anywhere you'd enjoy fried chicken is a great place to serve chicken of the trees. Let's face it, most things taste amazing fried, and fried squirrel

practicalselfreliance.com

Actually I had one that chewed the side of my under roof to make a home for baby squirrels. Had to use a 28 foot ladder to get up there and spray bleach.

I thought I covered it up but it's now back again this season so gotta repeat.

 

[HomerJS]

That's a 40+% Hit rate. Seems pretty high.

That hit rate is higher than trained officers.

 

[FireMarshallBill]

In a video statement released last night (more than a day after the fact), Tennessee governor Bill Lee said "prayer is the first thing we should do."

Guys, I'm beginning to think the prayers might not be working. Perhaps we should be thoughting harder.

In the same video, he said that "every human life has great value ... we must work to find ways to protect against evil."

What about your daughter's life, Bill? The same daughter who tried to commit what you called "violent suicide" (read: by gun) some 21 years ago? I guess it's alright, though, since it wasn't an evil gunman who shot her.

He also stated that "there will come a time to discuss and debate policy," but I guess 21 years wasn't long enough to do any introspection, because - again - the only thing we should be doing is getting on our knees right now, beggin' the magic mystery man above for more mercy and respite from these evil people hurting our children.

"We will act to prevent this from happening again." Bill should probably speak to some of the legislators in his state, such as Tim "We're not gonna fix it" Burchett. If they had, then perhaps an easy solution could've been found: "Pull your bootstraps kids up out of school and homeschool them. If you can't do that, then too bad. We, as leaders and lawmakers of the state, can't do anything further." They could even call this the "Freedom of Youth from G(LBTQ+) Murderers" approach.

Remember, kids - guns made America free. Except the guns used in mass killings, because those guns didn't kill people, people kill people.

 

[HomerJS]

In a video statement released last night (more than a day after the fact), Tennessee governor Bill Lee said "prayer is the first thing we should do."

Guys, I'm beginning to think the prayers might not be working. Perhaps we should be thoughting harder.

In the same video, he said that "every human life has great value ... we must work to find ways to protect against evil."

What about your daughter's life, Bill? The same daughter who tried to commit what you called "violent suicide" (read: by gun) some 21 years ago? I guess it's alright, though, since it wasn't an evil gunman who shot her.

He also stated that "there will come a time to discuss and debate policy," but I guess 21 years wasn't long enough to do any introspection, because - again - the only thing we should be doing is getting on our knees right now, beggin' the magic mystery man above for more mercy and respite from these evil people hurting our children.

"We will act to prevent this from happening again." Bill should probably speak to some of the legislators in his state, such as Tim "We're not gonna fix it" Burchett. If they had, then perhaps an easy solution could've been found: "Pull your bootstraps kids up out of school and homeschool them. If you can't do that, then too bad. We, as leaders and lawmakers of the state, can't do anything further." They could even call this the "Freedom of Youth from G(LBTQ+) Murderers" approach.

Remember, kids - guns made America free. Except the guns used in mass killings, because those guns didn't kill people, people killed people.

Mass shooting: Not the time to discuss

Let time go by

Mass shooting: Not the time to discuss

Rinse and repeat

 

[BoomerD]

I mean, it was literally a crowd of people. All stuck together. So no, his hit rate was terrible.

Better than yours...you only killed a parking lot.