YAStarTrekT: What's the point of having the transporter room/pad?

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Narse

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Site to site costs double the energy and transporters use a shitton of power. Starships have to manage the use of energy, if you have ever paid attention during a battle you have seen how weapons etc can drain the auxiarlly power quickly. If everyone site to site transported everywhere the ship would drain the power in no time. also as others have stated they have been used as weapons many many times.
 

Childs

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I dont see why anyone would be transported. You are killed and copied each time you do it.

Come to that, why isn't everyone in the ST universe clinically obese?

Look at how people now drive everywhere they possibly can. If they invented a transporter, people would beam everywhere, including from the couch to the kitchen or the bathroom. The Enterprise would be crewed by a team of 300lb gelatanous blobs, barely able to support their own weight.

They seem to encourage physical activity. In TNG you see them doing weird sports, and there is the holodeck, which I would have installed in my quarters to make it seem like a mansion overlooking the ocean. In TOS, many times Kirk looked he just finished working out...or having sex. Pretty much everyone in TOS was getting some. Either way, you can stay in shape that way.

In both cases these are idealized futures, where there is no money and people generally do the right things, like no greed, eat right, exercise, etc.
 

DCal430

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Another plot hole issue: The transporter can beam people through matter, right through the hull of a starship. That would seem to make it extremely useful as a weapon. Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them. Or beam out a chunk of their shield generator. A transporter could severely cripple another ship. Even if there's no "lock" on a target - ok, fine. Just fire it up and start beaming out random swaths of whatever you can get.

Because you can transport anything through a shield, even your own. To do what you said a ship would need to lower its own shield and leave its self vulnerable.
 

Train

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You've got a power source capable of Warp 10 while maintaining shields, weapons, life support, holodecks, replicators, computers, communications, artificial gravity and sexbots (assuming on that last one) and transporting to a the bridge rather than a pad is going to cause a brown-out? Nope, not buying it.

Most of those are either passive, off most of the time, or very low power compared to transporting a person point to point. Multiply it by the thousands of people on the ship, transporting several times per day. I still think it would be quite a large amount of power.
 

Childs

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Because you can transport anything through a shield, even your own. To do what you said a ship would need to lower its own shield and leave its self vulnerable.

In order to bypass that limitation they could sync up the shields frequency with the transporter.
 

AlienCraft

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Because you can transport anything through a shield, even your own. To do what you said a ship would need to lower its own shield and leave its self vulnerable.
The word you want is can't a contraction of the words,"can" & "not".

Failure to communicate effectively is a common trait among humans. Perhaps this explains the large number of wars they find themselves in. /Spock
 

Merad

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I loves me some Star Trek but the transporter is hardly the biggest plot hole in the show/universe. Human society would basically cease to function after holosuites were invented.
 

Dr. Zaus

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I dont see why anyone would be transported. You are killed and copied each time you do it.
This!!

Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.

When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.
 

waggy

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This!!

Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.

When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.

so then couldn't the boot up a backup and you be immortal?
 

Merad

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This!!

Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.

When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.

I don't think so? I mean, there have been episodes showing that you stay fully conscious and aware throughout the transport.
 

mmntech

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I could imagine key components would be hardened against being transported, but yea that still leaves people which since they semi-regularly do teleportations to random parts of ships are clearly not protected.

I seem to remember some episode where they beamed the warp core. So that negates that theory, since you'd think the main reactor would be the most guarded.

Seems to me you could easily use the transporter to beam a photon torpedo right into a ship's bridge or engine room. No need to surgically remove parts. Heck, they're often shown beaming onto Borg ships. Why didn't anyone think of that?!
 

pmv

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This!!

Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.

When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.

I think the 'tortured' bit isn't hard to get around - it happens so fast you dont' have time to feel anything.

But the wider point is quite valid - there's a very troubling aspect to the transporter - how can you possibly know that someone's consciousness jumps from one version of their body (the disintegrated one) to the new one (the reassembled one)?

They could indeed be killing the old you and just creating a perfect copy, with your memories, that _thinks_ its you, but actually, from the subjective poitn of view of the original you, you are now dead and a perfect clone has taken your place. Given that I'm sure there have been episodes where the transporter created two of someone, it seems quite possible that's what it really does.

If such a thing existed there's no way I'd get into it.

Mind you, once I start thinking about it, it gets even more worrying. Even without a transporter, how do I know the 'me' I am now isn't just a copy of the previous me, say the 'me' who went to sleep last night? I might be "dying" everytime I go to sleep and the 'me' that makes up is a kind of copy, that has my memories and thinks its continuous with the old me, but actually isn't.

How do we know consciousness is truly continuous? In the midst of life we may be in death.
 

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I seem to remember some episode where they beamed the warp core. So that negates that theory, since you'd think the main reactor would be the most guarded.

Seems to me you could easily use the transporter to beam a photon torpedo right into a ship's bridge or engine room. No need to surgically remove parts. Heck, they're often shown beaming onto Borg ships. Why didn't anyone think of that?!

It seem their ability to think tactically has diminished in the Star Trek universe.They really should have used that tactic on StarTrek Enterprise since none of their enemies had shields to block the transporter.

On Stargate Atlantis one of the first things they did after the Daedalus arrived was use it's transporter to beam nukes inside of enemy ships.
 

pmv

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I loves me some Star Trek but the transporter is hardly the biggest plot hole in the show/universe. Human society would basically cease to function after holosuites were invented.

Yeah, given how WoW seems to affect some people already, you are probably right.
 

BladeVenom

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I could imagine key components would be hardened against being transported, but yea that still leaves people which since they semi-regularly do teleportations to random parts of ships are clearly not protected.

They used the transporter to make a person younger, on two occasions, so why isn't everyone young? Why is anyone in the Star Trek universe dying of old age? The transporter could make them almost immortal.
 

Dr. Zaus

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I think the 'tortured' bit isn't hard to get around - it happens so fast you dont' have time to feel anything.

But the wider point is quite valid - there's a very troubling aspect to the transporter - how can you possibly know that someone's consciousness jumps from one version of their body (the disintegrated one) to the new one (the reassembled one)?

They could indeed be killing the old you and just creating a perfect copy, with your memories, that _thinks_ its you, but actually, from the subjective poitn of view of the original you, you are now dead and a perfect clone has taken your place. Given that I'm sure there have been episodes where the transporter created two of someone, it seems quite possible that's what it really does.

If such a thing existed there's no way I'd get into it.

Mind you, once I start thinking about it, it gets even more worrying. Even without a transporter, how do I know the 'me' I am now isn't just a copy of the previous me, say the 'me' who went to sleep last night? I might be "dying" everytime I go to sleep and the 'me' that makes up is a kind of copy, that has my memories and thinks its continuous with the old me, but actually isn't.

How do we know consciousness is truly continuous? In the midst of life we may be in death.
What is you?
 
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Another plot hole issue: The transporter can beam people through matter, right through the hull of a starship. That would seem to make it extremely useful as a weapon. Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them. Or beam out a chunk of their shield generator. A transporter could severely cripple another ship. Even if there's no "lock" on a target - ok, fine. Just fire it up and start beaming out random swaths of whatever you can get.

it is well known/documented that shields block transport beams
you have to drop shields to transport
 

So

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As someone else said, it's probably more efficient/can get better signal/easier to compute when done pad->pad or pad->random location.

The whole thing seems silly to me. What's stopping them from just making a bunch of the same person? Or if someone dies just recreate a new one from when they were healthy.

Because ST refuses, as a franchise to investigate the moral / practical implications of any technology that is not immediately and directly pertinent to the central plot of that particular episode.
 

Jeff7

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it is well known/documented that shields block transport beams
you have to drop shields to transport
Hence the "Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them" part.
I can't imagine that it'd be too terribly tough to poke just a tiny hole in a shield for a short period of time. Sneak the transporter beam through and dematerialize something. Even if it's diffused a bit and only hits part of a shield generator, that should still be enough to disable it.

And you can always fine-tune your own shields to open up a small window to get a transporter beam through.



It seem their ability to think tactically has diminished in the Star Trek universe.They really should have used that tactic on StarTrek Enterprise since none of their enemies had shields to block the transporter.

On Stargate Atlantis one of the first things they did after the Daedalus arrived was use it's transporter to beam nukes inside of enemy ships.
That was fun.
I'm sure the writers quickly realized that this would lead to pretty serious carnage, so the Wraith quickly and conveniently found a way to block transporters for the rest of the series. Then came the Asgard beam weapons.
 
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ViRGE

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That was fun.
I'm sure the writers quickly realized that this would lead to pretty serious carnage, so the Wraith quickly and conveniently found a way to block transporters for the rest of the series. Then came the Asgard beam weapons.
Atlantis had more fun with beaming technology and shields in general. I think it was S05E01 that had them clearly showcasing the price of lowering your shields for a moment to beam someone up. The Daedalus got beat up pretty badly for that one.
 

Jeff7

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The other nice thing about Stargate: The hyperdrive wasn't held together with wet toilet paper and marshmallows. Enterprise's warp drive was usually the first thing to go offline when anything went wrong. Daedalus & Friends could usually take a pounding in a tough situation and still get the hell out of there in a hurry if they had to.
 

MovingTarget

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Come to that, why isn't everyone in the ST universe clinically obese?

Look at how people now drive everywhere they possibly can. If they invented a transporter, people would beam everywhere, including from the couch to the kitchen or the bathroom. The Enterprise would be crewed by a team of 300lb gelatanous blobs, barely able to support their own weight.

You know, they would be able to support their own weight...as long as they were confined to starships/starbases. You can always turn down the gravity nets.

But they always show people walking...everywhere...in the ST universe. Until the reboot, you never saw motorized vehicles of any sort with the exception of trains/trams, or shuttlecraft. Their public transport systems were great, so that may be a reason why obesity wasn't a problem.
 
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