Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
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Hell, you shouldn't even need to get up to use the bathroom.If they can modify genes mid-transport pretty sure they could get rid of dirt.
"Beam pee up, Scotty!"
"Goddammit I hate my job."
Hell, you shouldn't even need to get up to use the bathroom.If they can modify genes mid-transport pretty sure they could get rid of dirt.
Come to that, why isn't everyone in the ST universe clinically obese?
Look at how people now drive everywhere they possibly can. If they invented a transporter, people would beam everywhere, including from the couch to the kitchen or the bathroom. The Enterprise would be crewed by a team of 300lb gelatanous blobs, barely able to support their own weight.
Another plot hole issue: The transporter can beam people through matter, right through the hull of a starship. That would seem to make it extremely useful as a weapon. Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them. Or beam out a chunk of their shield generator. A transporter could severely cripple another ship. Even if there's no "lock" on a target - ok, fine. Just fire it up and start beaming out random swaths of whatever you can get.
You've got a power source capable of Warp 10 while maintaining shields, weapons, life support, holodecks, replicators, computers, communications, artificial gravity and sexbots (assuming on that last one) and transporting to a the bridge rather than a pad is going to cause a brown-out? Nope, not buying it.
Because you can transport anything through a shield, even your own. To do what you said a ship would need to lower its own shield and leave its self vulnerable.
The word you want is can't a contraction of the words,"can" & "not".Because you can transport anything through a shield, even your own. To do what you said a ship would need to lower its own shield and leave its self vulnerable.
This!!I dont see why anyone would be transported. You are killed and copied each time you do it.
This!!
Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.
When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.
This!!
Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.
When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.
I could imagine key components would be hardened against being transported, but yea that still leaves people which since they semi-regularly do teleportations to random parts of ships are clearly not protected.
This!!
Every time you are 'transported' you are copped by a computer; then you are tortured to death by having every molecule in your body turned into energy.
When your energy-based clone is re-assembled on the ground you don't remember being tortured to death: but that doesn't change that an alternate "you" experienced an agonizing death.
I seem to remember some episode where they beamed the warp core. So that negates that theory, since you'd think the main reactor would be the most guarded.
Seems to me you could easily use the transporter to beam a photon torpedo right into a ship's bridge or engine room. No need to surgically remove parts. Heck, they're often shown beaming onto Borg ships. Why didn't anyone think of that?!
I loves me some Star Trek but the transporter is hardly the biggest plot hole in the show/universe. Human society would basically cease to function after holosuites were invented.
I could imagine key components would be hardened against being transported, but yea that still leaves people which since they semi-regularly do teleportations to random parts of ships are clearly not protected.
What is you?I think the 'tortured' bit isn't hard to get around - it happens so fast you dont' have time to feel anything.
But the wider point is quite valid - there's a very troubling aspect to the transporter - how can you possibly know that someone's consciousness jumps from one version of their body (the disintegrated one) to the new one (the reassembled one)?
They could indeed be killing the old you and just creating a perfect copy, with your memories, that _thinks_ its you, but actually, from the subjective poitn of view of the original you, you are now dead and a perfect clone has taken your place. Given that I'm sure there have been episodes where the transporter created two of someone, it seems quite possible that's what it really does.
If such a thing existed there's no way I'd get into it.
Mind you, once I start thinking about it, it gets even more worrying. Even without a transporter, how do I know the 'me' I am now isn't just a copy of the previous me, say the 'me' who went to sleep last night? I might be "dying" everytime I go to sleep and the 'me' that makes up is a kind of copy, that has my memories and thinks its continuous with the old me, but actually isn't.
How do we know consciousness is truly continuous? In the midst of life we may be in death.
Another plot hole issue: The transporter can beam people through matter, right through the hull of a starship. That would seem to make it extremely useful as a weapon. Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them. Or beam out a chunk of their shield generator. A transporter could severely cripple another ship. Even if there's no "lock" on a target - ok, fine. Just fire it up and start beaming out random swaths of whatever you can get.
As someone else said, it's probably more efficient/can get better signal/easier to compute when done pad->pad or pad->random location.
The whole thing seems silly to me. What's stopping them from just making a bunch of the same person? Or if someone dies just recreate a new one from when they were healthy.
Hence the "Pierce a hole in an enemy ship's shields and beam out the bridge crew and never rematerialize them" part.it is well known/documented that shields block transport beams
you have to drop shields to transport
That was fun.It seem their ability to think tactically has diminished in the Star Trek universe.They really should have used that tactic on StarTrek Enterprise since none of their enemies had shields to block the transporter.
On Stargate Atlantis one of the first things they did after the Daedalus arrived was use it's transporter to beam nukes inside of enemy ships.
Atlantis had more fun with beaming technology and shields in general. I think it was S05E01 that had them clearly showcasing the price of lowering your shields for a moment to beam someone up. The Daedalus got beat up pretty badly for that one.That was fun.
I'm sure the writers quickly realized that this would lead to pretty serious carnage, so the Wraith quickly and conveniently found a way to block transporters for the rest of the series. Then came the Asgard beam weapons.
Come to that, why isn't everyone in the ST universe clinically obese?
Look at how people now drive everywhere they possibly can. If they invented a transporter, people would beam everywhere, including from the couch to the kitchen or the bathroom. The Enterprise would be crewed by a team of 300lb gelatanous blobs, barely able to support their own weight.