YATT: $15 minimum wage = the end of tipping right?

[Ns1]

2) You don't understand or don't have the imagination to anticipate the consequences of raising everyone's pay. $15 in the future won't be anything like your idea of $15 now.

The consequence is I'm going to start stiffing all these peeps making $15/hr.

 

[It's Not Lupus]

Waiters will still feel entitled for tips.

 

[Larnz]

I 100% believe this.

People honestly think that owners/investors are going to take a profit hit and just say "Don't worry, you can take it out of my pocket". NEVER going to happen.

Why? There is no tipping here (NZ) or Australia or practically anywhere outside of North America and nothing is over inflated. The only result is that wait staff etc get an absolute known wage each week/month.

It works for nearly every other country why wouldn't it work in the US? This to me is similar to gun control discussions, It works nearly everywhere else yet US citizenry seem to think that the US is so vastly unique that of course it can't work there so whats the point in trying it, when in reality the US isn't really that different.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

I don't particularly care what minimum wage rises to (a rising tide raises all boats and all that) however I am annoyed with the entitlement that I see in current wait staff. You are there to serve me (literally serve) so do a good job and I'll give you a good tip. I don't feel the need to tip well for average service, especially if I know the staff is making good money to begin with.

What does bum me out is jobs being replaced by robots/automation - only because those entry level crap jobs are a good "welcome to the world" for teenagers. How are they going to learn without those jobs being available?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Well with the TPP passing, most jobs in America will end up being McJobs

 

[highland145]

Why? There is no tipping here (NZ) or Australia or practically anywhere outside of North America and nothing is over inflated. The only result is that wait staff etc get an absolute known wage each week/month.

It works for nearly every other country why wouldn't it work in the US? This to me is similar to gun control discussions, It works nearly everywhere else yet US citizenry seem to think that the US is so vastly unique that of course it can't work there so whats the point in trying it, when in reality the US isn't really that different.

BS the owner isn't eating the difference. The customer is still paying.


And the difference with guns....Hitler, Stalin, Mao, USSR, Chins, Idi Amin, Uganda, PolPot. Eff that. What are you going to do when they come for your neighbor? Not a damned thing, sheep.

We live in a civilized society until we don't.

 

[crashtech]

Why? There is no tipping here (NZ) or Australia or practically anywhere outside of North America and nothing is over inflated. The only result is that wait staff etc get an absolute known wage each week/month.

It works for nearly every other country why wouldn't it work in the US? This to me is similar to gun control discussions, It works nearly everywhere else yet US citizenry seem to think that the US is so vastly unique that of course it can't work there so whats the point in trying it, when in reality the US isn't really that different.

It's the custom in Canada most of Europe too, don't know why you would single out the US. Tipping is a fairly minor social issue; comparing it to gun control seems pretty odd.

 

[feralkid]

It's the custom in Canada most of Europe too, don't know why you would single out the US. Tipping is a fairly minor social issue; comparing it to gun control seems pretty odd.

Not so much in Europe. Maybe for exceptional service, and then maybe 10% at most.

You should never feel obliged to tip in Europe. Wait staff are generally salaried employees.



If I were from another country, reading these forums, I would probably come to the conclusion the great tipping debate was right up there with the great gun debate and who makes the best burgers.





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[crashtech]

Regardless of the "rightness" of a particular custom, if something that costs 15% or so is customary amongst one's contemporaries, then those who seek to avoid it are just being cheapskates. That's fine, but to couch it in some kind of faux-principled protest is hogwash.

 

[Ns1]

Regardless of the "rightness" of a particular custom, if something that costs 15% or so is customary amongst one's contemporaries, then those who seek to avoid it are just being cheapskates. That's fine, but to couch it in some kind of faux-principled protest is hogwash.

The question is, why is it a custom?


Peeps don't throw money at me for doing my job.

 

[highland145]

The question is, why is it a custom?


Peeps don't throw money at me for doing my job.

You suck at your job?



j/k

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Everyone be realistic you're acting like you're tipping everyone. I'd bet its a handful of times per month. I don't go out as much as when I was younger, I tip about two or three times a month. That does not count the change jar at ice cream stands or coffee shops but that's just spare change.

 

[crashtech]

Everyone be realistic you're acting like you're tipping everyone. I'd bet its a handful of times per month. I don't go out as much as when I was younger, I tip about two or three times a month. That does not count the change jar at ice cream stands or coffee shops but that's just spare change.

People get really weird about it. It just comes off as a base desire to put oneself ahead of others. If we want to change the custom then let's change it, after all we successfully switched to the metric system... oh, wait...

 

[Ns1]

You suck at your job?

Correct, which is why I deserve 10% extra.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

People get really weird about it. It just comes off as a base desire to put oneself ahead of others. If we want to change the custom then let's change it, after all we successfully switched to the metric system... oh, wait...

Haha good one. Reminds me of some European girls I used to know. They were constantly tipping weird too small, too big, people that don't need tips like toll booth collectors. I understand Europe tips differently but screwing up the 15% and our money used to drive me nuts. Our money is fucking metric.

 

[highland145]

Correct, which is why I deserve 10% extra.

:\

O.K. Here's a buck ....$$.... because I like you.

 

[3chordcharlie]

The consequence is I'm going to start stiffing all these peeps making $15/hr.

You really have a problem. I strongly suspect you are stiffing them already.

Stop going to restaurants, stick to Arby's or maybe see about a Ruth's Chris takeout menu.

Minimum wage has virtually nothing to do with the convention that servers are paid by the people they serve.

 

[Ns1]

You really have a problem. I strongly suspect you are stiffing them already.

Nope, but thanks for playing!



I never tip a tip cup though.

Minimum wage has virtually nothing to do with the convention that servers are paid by the people they serve.

Of course they're paid by the people the serve. I pay the restaurant, the restaurant pays their staff. Here's what one restaurateur had to say regarding the subject:

Todd Schwartz, owner of a Dickey's Barbecue Pit franchise in Northridge, raised prices roughly 25 cents on average after California's minimum wage rose a dollar to $9 last year.

The wage hike in Los Angeles, combined with tight margins, will probably force him to sell his sandwiches, baked potatoes and brisket for more, possibly as much as an extra dollar or two in five years, he said.

"Autopilot" inflation adjustments will exacerbate price increases across the board at his restaurant, Schwartz said. The higher prices would in turn push up inflation measures, resulting in a "never-ending spiral" of wage increases, he said.

"Wages don't come from me; they come from the customer," he said. "What is the most you are willing to pay for a barbecue sandwich?"

 

[Imp]

The question is, why is it a custom?


Peeps don't throw money at me for doing my job.

Don't you know? If you don't tip, there's no incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job.

Obviously, I've been tipping my doctor, my dentist, all the customer service reps I call in India, all the Best Buy employees, and government workers who process all my ID things. How else would I get them to meet expectations?

And it's legal to pay them less than minimum wage in some places, so you have to or they starve.

 

[Cuda1447]

I 100% believe this.

People honestly think that owners/investors are going to take a profit hit and just say "Don't worry, you can take it out of my pocket". NEVER going to happen.

I think what would happen is jobs where people make 13-18 an hour now, will be forced to pay more. The competition for those jobs will increase, as you can go virtually anywhere to earn that much, you don't have to be in a more advanced or skilled position. As a result, they will get paid more and this trend should continue to move upward throughout the low/middle income hourly wages in the U.S. Hopefully it'll lead to lower profits for companies.

 

[Jeff7]

Most people will. We are replaceable.

Someone will have to build, maintain, and fix these point of sale and burger making machines. Jobs are never really lost, they are transferred. The issue is almost always a lack of economic agility in shifting workers to new fields.
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Short-term, yes, economic agility is an issue.

Long-term, machines and computers will continue increasing in capability.
At some point, they'll be smart enough to do most jobs. Even if a computer or machine isn't necessarily intelligent about doing something, you can always brute-force a solution. It works for computer processors.
Not enough computing power? Increase the clock speed. Still not enough? Add more processor cores. Still not enough? Add more processors.
Even if you're using the same architecture, you can make the overall process more efficient by spamming more transistors at the problem.
That kind of progression will lead to the ability to supplant quite a few jobs that were thought "untouchable" by technology.

I'm sure that skilled craftsmen were once thought irreplaceable by machines. Now we have CNC machining centers that can do the work of a building full of workers, and do a better job of it.


Then of course, once computers exceed humans in intelligence, then any job is potentially replaceable.

I'm surprised it took this long.

 

[alcoholbob]

No but likely it means more of the workforce will be illegal immigrants making below minimum wage, and less citizens at work.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Are waiters & waitresses covered by the new minimum?

OP thinks so. Must be a 1%er.

 

[Safeway]

If you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to eat at a full-service restaurant.

I tip based on performance, and will continue to do so even if a higher minimum wage applies to restaurant staff.

If the service and attentiveness is horrible, if they are rude, etc., I'll zero out the tip blank on my credit card receipt and leave a nominal tip in cash, such as $0.27, so that they know I specifically gave thought to the tip and intentionally chose to leave them a miserable tip for their miserable service.

If they are attentive, I do 20%, 25%, 30%, whatever. They eventually recognize me and go out of their way to provide a pleasant dining experience.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Nope, but thanks for playing!



I never tip a tip cup though.



Of course they're paid by the people the serve. I pay the restaurant, the restaurant pays their staff. Here's what one restaurateur had to say regarding the subject:

Good business people will evaluate the cost of the wage increase, and raise prices to compensate. It's the same thing they do when the price of pork increases. This is not shocking. When costs change for an entire industry, the results tend not to cause any big shifts.

As for your passionate hatred of tipping, we all get it. There are many things that *could* be different, but are not.

Any decent server or bartender at a mid- to high-end bar or restaurant is earning far more than minimum wage.

These are talented, hard-working people who choose to be where they are. People like that do not work odd hours, and short shifts, for minimum wage. I for one would rather have a great server for $100+25 on a meal out than a lousy one for $100+0.

Minimum wage is simply not relevant to the discussion of tipping.