YaTT: got chewed out by chinese restaurant owner for not tipping on 4$ meal

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Nov 8, 2012
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Awesome statement considering it is absolute bullshit.

Actually - I'm not an expert - However, when I did go to France there was certainly no tip line to give to your credit card. The only thing ever done by ourselves and others was to leave a euro or 2 on the table after the meal was paid.

Cant say it's the same for every country in Europe... but it was there...
 
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You are clearly confused in a restaurant's large party policy and the tipping standard.

Some restaurants have gone with mandatory tips for any size party to defuse the confusion

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html

And you would be retarded to do that - because plenty of people such as my self wouldn't go to it on that principle alone. That is absolutely barbaric - and I am someone who tips more than the usual. However I reserve my right to give a big "Fuck you" if you sucked.
 

alkemyst

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And you would be retarded to do that - because plenty of people such as my self wouldn't go to it on that principle alone. That is absolutely barbaric - and I am someone who tips more than the usual. However I reserve my right to give a big "Fuck you" if you sucked.

That's your right. However; 15% is expected for basic service. If you haven't talked to the manager less than that is not right.

This is why (especially down here with all the dumbass Canadians) many restaurants are posting "15% Tip Mandatory" (or more commonly 18%).
 

nixium

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The problem is fortunately enough people tip to make sure they at least hit minimum wage. If they don't sure they can ask the boss for the difference, good luck getting hours the next week.

What happens is for every good night they have, a couple jokers like yourself ruin it by sometimes even under paying like backing an included tip out as if taxes were applied to it.

So basically the owner exploits them, potentially doing something illegal, and we are the ones who are supposed to save them from it?

And what about the people who claim they get paid only $2 an hour if no one leaves a tip? Leave this BS unchallenged?

Perhaps you should move to those other places and leave America?

I don't get the latter part of #2. In most places it would be hard (and rude) to shout out for your waiter.

So according to your logic nothing people don't like should ever be changed. Instead, they should just move to a place that already has the change implemented. Good thing no reformer followed that logic, like ever.

By call out I didn't mean shout for the waiter, but attract their attention in some way.

Most wait staff don't see this as a problem but as their way to do better to earn more. That is the essence of our tipping system. The food cost is much much lower as the wages of the staff are more or less bore by the patrons.

The patrons that are unhappy will likely complain or just tip the standard 15% for basic service (or in today's idiotic society think that the 15% is the maximum tip allowed and basic service is more like 5%).

People mistakeningly think that without tips, food costs would be just 15% higher. They are very wrong.

Pure nonsense. This tipping subject is one of the #1 topics in ATOT and every once in a while you hear service staff talking about how they were wronged in the news, an apparently unique happening in the USA.

The economic argument is BS too. What's the point of lower food costs if you have a minimum tip of 15% regardless of service, as many argue - a minimum that constantly is increasing?

Food in a restaurant costs as much as the patrons are willing to pay - it's like any other business. It doesn't necessarily mean restaurants are going to amp up costs by more than 15% if the system were changed to be like the rest of the world.

Grossly inefficient. Everyone except the restaurant owner gets shafted in this system.
 
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You are clearly confused in a restaurant's large party policy and the tipping standard.

Some restaurants have gone with mandatory tips for any size party to defuse the confusion

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html

Also, after reading the article:

1) Why were they arrested? They should have left the scene, if you sit there and argue you're simply a dumbass.
2) It was a PARTY OF 6. Not a party of 2 - I have seen menu's saying for party of 6+ it requires gratiuity. This isn't out of the ordinary
3) Charges were dropped
 

alkemyst

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So basically the owner exploits them, potentially doing something illegal, and we are the ones who are supposed to save them from it?

exploits them? WTF?!?

And what about the people who claim they get paid only $2 an hour if no one leaves a tip? Leave this BS unchallenged?

That is entirely true. They only make $2/hr if no one tips and the restaurant must right size the wage. Their wage is exactly $2/hr. The thing is no waiter is saying all he is going to make is that. They are saying every table that stiffs them is taking their earnings down.

A server unless incompetent (and if so would not last long at any restaurant and if not true the patron would stop going to that restaurant) deserves 15% minimum. At a TGIF or popular cattle car type place on a Friday night expect to wait for drinks and food (fuck if the 60 min wait for just a table didn't clue you in).

If you want to be waited on beck and call, up your per plate costs to the $40-50 mark.


So according to your logic nothing people don't like should ever be changed. Instead, they should just move to a place that already has the change implemented. Good thing no reformer followed that logic, like ever.

By call out I didn't mean shout for the waiter, but attract their attention in some way.

If you want reform, stick to not going to restaurants that require tips.

Pure nonsense. This tipping subject is one of the #1 topics in ATOT and every once in a while you hear service staff talking about how they were wronged in the news, an apparently unique happening in the USA.

The economic argument is BS too. What's the point of lower food costs if you have a minimum tip of 15% regardless of service, as many argue - a minimum that constantly is increasing?

How much do you think a $9.95 burger plate would go up if the restaurant had to begin paying wait staff more than minimum wage? No one would be a server for just that wage when there are much easier jobs out there.

Food in a restaurant costs as much as the patrons are willing to pay - it's like any other business. It doesn't necessarily mean restaurants are going to amp up costs by more than 15% if the system were changed to be like the rest of the world.

Grossly inefficient. Everyone except the restaurant owner gets shafted in this system.

It would be much more than 15% and the patron gets far better service than a straight wage would bring.
 

GundamW

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OP should have tipped (put it on the card.)
Owner shouldn't have yelled at the customer. (OP, was the owner the one who served you? If not, I wonder why she would care. Unless she is the one that actually pockets the tip.)

Everyone should chill out and move on.
 

Keeper

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Just returned from Bermuda. 5 days.
Ate Lunch and dinner at 10 different places. (5 and 5 before comments start) .
Every place adds 15 to 18% automatically. Now I am usually an 18 to 20% tiper...
NOPE.... Not with the AUTO tip...... Screw you for removing my voice for bad service.
I WONDER would is your recourse? Compalin to the manager? And WHAT does he do? Comp you a drink? Anyone have experiance?
 

alkemyst

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Just returned from Bermuda. 5 days.
Ate Lunch and dinner at 10 different places. (5 and 5 before comments start) .
Every place adds 15 to 18% automatically. Now I am usually an 18 to 20% tiper...
NOPE.... Not with the AUTO tip...... Screw you for removing my voice for bad service.
I WONDER would is your recourse? Compalin to the manager? And WHAT does he do? Comp you a drink? Anyone have experiance?

What the manager does is up to them...if you had truly bad service why would you not talk to the manager?
 
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That's your right. However; 15% is expected for basic service. If you haven't talked to the manager less than that is not right.

This is why (especially down here with all the dumbass Canadians) many restaurants are posting "15% Tip Mandatory" (or more commonly 18%).

Down where, exactly? Waitstaff in TX frequently use the term "Canadian" as a euphemism for african americans (whom they accuse of tipping poorly.)

But I grew up in MI, where we have a lot of actual Canadians, who seem to tip normally.

So I'm just looking for a bit of clarification.
 

alkemyst

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Down where, exactly? Waitstaff in TX frequently use the term "Canadian" as a euphemism for african americans (whom they accuse of tipping poorly.)

But I grew up in MI, where we have a lot of actual Canadians, who seem to tip normally.

So I'm just looking for a bit of clarification.

I live in coastal S. Florida. It's a very popular destination for Quebec plates. Many know they have to tip, but will play they speak French only and dart out without a tip.

Now they just add it to all bills whether you are seating 1 or dozens.
 

slag

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jaedaliu

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tipping is ALWAYS voluntary. It's bad form to not tip, but not illegal.

However, a service charge added for large parties is NOT voluntary.

Anyways, shame on you Brian for not putting something down. The chinese waiters work hard to give you marginal/minimal service.
 

angminas

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Yet another person A was wrong, no person B was wrong, when in reality both were wrong thread.
 

gorcorps

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Down where, exactly? Waitstaff in TX frequently use the term "Canadian" as a euphemism for african americans (whom they accuse of tipping poorly.)

But I grew up in MI, where we have a lot of actual Canadians, who seem to tip normally.

So I'm just looking for a bit of clarification.

I knew texans were fucking stupid but I had no idea they were that stupid.
 

Keeper

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What the manager does is up to them...if you had truly bad service why would you not talk to the manager?


Of course what the manager does is up to them. Up to and including doing nothing.
I would talk to them... But really think about it. If the manager does NOTHING. You paid 15% (or more) for something you wouldnt have done, had you had control.

I was looking for any real life experiances. Not rehashing what I wrote or questioning what I would or would not do. But thanks!!!!!

Cheers.
 

gothamhunter

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Tips should be earned, not automatic.

The fact that we now consider 15% norm is ridiculous; can't wait until 20% is "norm". I still tip around 10%, 15% if really good. Sorry, but I'm not giving you $25 for my $20 meal.

I'm fine with banning tips altogether and if it requires an increase in cost of my meal then so be it; I just need to be allowed to tell them the waiter/waitress sucked and expect a discount then.
 
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