YAWoW thread

[NeoV]

I go into the game last night - and I'm in Ogrimmar at the AH....I'm a level 44 Tauren Druid, and I play pretty much every night...

a guy sends me a wisper - a lvl 50 Warrior that I've done a bunch of quests with, and he asks me if I want to go to Mauradon, that they need some help as the group was down to 3 people...so I say sure, I'll heal since I'm a bit low leveled for that place...I had been there a few days before as a healer in a group, so I knew what to expect....

I also check with a guy in my guild to see if he is interested - he's a lvl 53 hunter, and he says sure, so we get him in the group as our 5th...

so the group is a lvl 54 Shaman, a 50 warrior, a 53 hunter, a 46 warrior, and a 44 druid....when we finally get together, I ask what path we are taking, and the 50 says to the princess...then I ask what the rolling 'deal' is...he mentions that he would like to get the mace from the princess...and the Shaman says that the warrior can also use the mace, and I add that I can use a mace as well - though this mace in particular is a lvl 49 - after several back and forths, the general consensus was that rolling should be based on items you can use, and not something you are going to sell that you can't use..fine by me...we go on in.......we get beat a few times...once a patrol caught us off guard, the next time the princess got the best of us.....at this point it's been at least an hour and a half in....the 46 warrior says he has to go.....so after 15 minutes or so, a 53 warrior shows up....we get to the princess in a about 10 minutes, and with a better tank, she goes down rather easily...so the mace comes up for rolling - the hunter passed, the shaman rolls like a 16, the 50 rolls a 25, then the new guy rolls a 36 or something close to that....now I had considered not rolling if the 50 guy was going to win it, but since I can definetly use that mace when I get to lvl 49, and the guy who is in the lead now has been in the group for all of 15 minutes, I'm rolling...sure enough, I get a 72 and win the mace...and the 50 guy goes nuts..what are you doing, you can't use it, you don't even use a weapon, you are just going to sell it, etc, etc, etc...then the new guys chips in with "I've been trying to get that thing for a month"....

Now this is my first MMORPG, and maybe I'm not as well schooled in this type of situation, but was I that wrong to roll on it?

It is in the bank right now, and I fully plan on using it when I get to that level, hopefully late this weekend...I'm using a 2 hand staff right now, and I highly doubt I'll be able to get a better weapon by then

 

[Malladine]

Tough call...usually i'd say someone who's within a couple lvls of being able to use something should roll, no problem. But 5 lvls might be pushing it.

If you'd cleared a lot of stuff out of the way, the new guy has no reasonable cause to complain. It rides on that. If the 53 warrior helped you clear all the creeps leading up to Theradas, he earned the right to roll and imo you were in the wrong. If your group rolled up with little to no resistance because you'd already cleared the way, it could be argued you made the right choice.

grats on the win though, and remember that you'll usually have complainers, the little green monster you understand

 

[torpid]

How much time did you have? I would have asked the 50 whether I should roll or not since the new guy who just came in was winning. Either way the 50 loses so he would be able to give a better opinion.

 

[Quixfire]

It's not unusual for someone to be upset when losing a roll like that. My wife and I play a lot together and we use the same system. If one of us can use the item the other passes but if not we roll. I do the same with pickup groups and I don't jump the guy who won it even if he can't use it. I will ask if I could have something I lost a roll on if I can use right then but otherwise it's the luck of the draw or roll.

BTW, we also take turns on looting chest and the other night she got Skeletal Club out of a chest and she gave it to me.

 

[ggnl]

I don't think you were wrong to roll on it. The situation is tricky sometimes for classes like druids and priests that are primarily casting classes but still use weapons. Most people just don't realize that they do indeed spend a significant amount of time in melee, especially when soloing. Whenever you feel guilty about rolling on something just take consolation in the fact that the healer gets shafted most of the time.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: ggnl
I don't think you were wrong to roll on it. The situation is tricky sometimes for classes like druids and priests that are primarily casting classes but still use weapons. Most people just don't realize that they do indeed spend a significant amount of time in melee, especially when soloing. Whenever you feel guilty about rolling on something just take consolation in the fact that the healer gets shafted most of the time.

In addition, druids are not entirely healers as even in humanoid form they wear leather and therefore can take more damage than a priest, for example, and can usually quick shift to bear form if the situation gets hairy.

 

[NeoV]

Tauren form!

Thanks for the replies - it's not like it was a big deal (it's just a game!), but I was wondering if I broke some game 'ethics', if that matters.

I've been in quite a few groups where I'm the high lvl guy, and I don't sit in the back and heal, so I'm sure I'll get plenty of use from it.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Tauren form!

hu·man·oid
adj.
Having human characteristics or form.

Two arms and two legs = human form = humanoid

 

[MrBond]

In cases like that where you know an item may drop that's above your level, but you'll be able to use it eventually, it's best to say that you'll be rolling outright. You had discussed this with your group already, so it sounds like had planned on rolling on it anyway.

I don't see anything wrong with what you did - those other guys are just whiners. You all discussed you could use the mace beforehand.

As a mage, I carry a staff but almost never use it. The staff has stats that are useful to me (+int and +stam). If a better staff drops, but it's something like +strength or +agility on it with no intellect, I won't roll on it, because those stats are useless to me.

The take home messege here is "Don't roll on an item you can use, but with stats that would benefit another party member more than yourself". For example, the boss of Gnomeregan drops this awesome looking cloth hat - it's got an orbiting dish on it. It also has like +12 intellect. A warrior can wear cloth, but if he rolled on it I'd be pissed because A)intellect does him no good other than raising weapon skills and B)He can get a plate helm that's WAY more armor.

Now as a druid, if that mace has +int and +stam, you had every right to roll on it. The 50 warrior shouldn't be complaining

 

[torpid]

Do you know whether the others would actually have USED the mace? I don't know what the mace is and can't go to thottbot.

 

[b0red]

Princess Theradras' Scepter <- this mace?

pickup groups are bleh.

 

[gsaldivar]

IMHO you were too low to roll on that item, unless you agreed beforehand that you we're in on the roll for for that specific item if it dropped.

But yea, pickup groups are just wierd like that.

I wouldn't worry too much about it - it's banked and you'll use it, and didn't roll on it maliciously (just to turn around and vendor it).

Looting in WoW is a touchy subject. Make your mistakes early in the game, and learn from them quickly.

:beer:

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
IMHO you were too low to roll on that item, unless you agreed beforehand that you we're in on the roll for for that specific item if it dropped.

But yea, pickup groups are just wierd like that.

I wouldn't worry too much about it - it's banked and you'll use it, and didn't roll on it maliciously (just to turn around and vendor it).

Looting in WoW is a touchy subject. Make your mistakes early in the game, and learn from them quickly.

:beer:

ya, in uo if someone looted something you thought might be good or behaved like an ass, you'd kill em and take whatever you wanted.

 

[abaez]

If that guy had just joined after 1.5 hours he should not be whining.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

what i prefer -
for bind on pickup items, only roll if you can and will immediately use the item. if this doesnt apply, then anyone that can and will eventually use (like you in your case) should roll.

for all other items, everyone roll and if something comes up that some one can verifiably use, just give it to them

just because you CAN use an item, (ex. leather for most classes) if you arent going to wear it, you should be treated like anyone else - because you are goign to do the same thing with it they are (sell it). this is a sore spot for me as a cloth only wearer... if a piece of mail drops that no one is going to equip, i should be able to roll and sell it if i win.

 

[Tremulant]

I only roll if I can use the item. But if I see someone rolling on every item that drops, or if they're in the place just for loot, then I'll roll on stuff too.

I rolled a 100 once.

 

[gururu]

the problem is this. with the 46 warrior, u coulda spent another 6 hours trying to take the princess out. With the 53, you took her easily. He made some kind of difference, enough so that he deserved that mace as much as yer level 50. now the question is, who deserved the mace more, you or them? obviously them. you made a bad move. but its the name of the game. peeps in parties are always gonna mess up under the excitement. but you live and you learn and hopefully some newbie wont squeeze a drop out of you.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: gururu
the problem is this. with the 46 warrior, u coulda spent another 6 hours trying to take the princess out. With the 53, you took her easily. He made some kind of difference, enough so that he deserved that mace as much as yer level 50. now the question is, who deserved the mace more, you or them? obviously them. you made a bad move. but its the name of the game. peeps in parties are always gonna mess up under the excitement. but you live and you learn and hopefully some newbie wont squeeze a drop out of you.

"you or them?" huh? Two of "them" stood no chance so the question you're asking is wrong.

 

[BigJimSlade]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
just because you CAN use an item, (ex. leather for most classes) if you arent going to wear it, you should be treated like anyone else - because you are goign to do the same thing with it they are (sell it). this is a sore spot for me as a cloth only wearer... if a piece of mail drops that no one is going to equip, i should be able to roll and sell it if i win.

Unfortunately a lot of people take advantage of Need-Before-Greed and claim items such as mail armor saying they are going to wear it even though their intention is to sell it. I saw this a bunch in EQ almost to the point where I was about to give up on pickup groups all together. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt though and trust that karma will come back to bite them in the @ss if they're being deceitful.

 

[torpid]

This is why I really like the loot master system. Although it seems to be fairly buggy - I remember killing a creep in SM and I definitely contributed (at least 500 damage, in fact I am the one who initiated combat) and when the loot master tried to give it to me, it wouldn't work. He even tried making the corpse lootable, and it said I didn't have permission to loot it.

 

[naddicott]

I had a priest roll against my warrior on the plate leggings that Princess drops. I rolled a 1.

In your place with that particular group, I probably wouldn't have rolled. Yes, druids need weapons too, but preferrably ones with stat boosts for the non-melee skills. If the dagger from Princess drops for instance, most warriors would defer to you because you have better use for the +11 intellect. The flip side of that coin is occasionally passing on weapons that are damage only.

Ultimately, what you pre-arranged before the drop goes, and you clearly stated your intent to roll.

Try to patch up with the 50 warrior though. In WoW (and arguably real life) people are more important than items.

 

[HomerSapien]

I dont even play, but im tempted to try for a month or so. From a person who doesnt play here is a point of view. If rolling dice determined who gets it, then it is chance. It was chance that got you the mace, not the others, its nothing that you had control over. Since people are saying you are kind of far off and it is not right, i say keep it and help them go in again. Next time the roll comes up, dont roll or work out some way to give it away "before" you help at all.

 

[skace]

I'm a level 60 druid and I wouldn't have rolled in your scenario. Likewise I would have been annoyed to someone who rolled after only being there for 15 minutes unless he was the only one who wanted it.

Druids do not need stat-less hammers, they are a waste. We don't proc feral. DPS doesn't affect us in feral. The only thing that affects our feral abilities are stats (+30 str, etc). When you arn't feral, you should most likely be using a staff and getting the most out of your class.

 

[CVSiN]

you could not use the item for 5 levels...
you should have let the higher peeps roll on the item first...

now if you had been the items level then by all means roll..
the scepter is a common drop and you will most likely be in maurdaon again before l60..

rather than burn bridges with your alliance mates...

 

[Cheetah8799]

Best thing to do would have been to re-discuss the whole rolling issue once the new warrior joined the group. Though they shouldn't have gotten so mad because you can use the item in a level or two, and you did spend a lot of time in there with them. If you had won some other good rolls up to that point, you maybe should have passed, but if not, then take it and don't worry. They will get over it eventually...

Basically though, in pickup groups like that, there are always problems...

Just remember that in the future if you are in a group of jackasses who like to complain, you can always just leave the group, hearth out, and they are STUCK til they get another person to join. That might take 15 minutes or more. that'll teach em.