Ye Shiwen(girl) sets 400m medley record. "Disturbing" says U.S. coach.

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Pr0d1gy

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Because they can't believe someone else can be better than they are..

if Ye was on Aussie or USA team, all of the haters would be making excuses to defend Ye.

Truth.

People were saying Liu Xiang was dopin in Athens cause they never saw an asian guy beat the US before. Since then Liu has been getting 1-3 place in every event since and the doping accusations have stopped.

Untrue. I have stated openly that most high level athletes are doping. Nowhere did I state America is the exception, and have actually pointed out that we have had a problem with it for decades.
 

123sillyboy123

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You're right, in the US, we don't tell teachers to scrutinize their students for athletic talent and ask them to report these children to the State after which they will be taken from their families and put in training facilities where they are pretty much slaves.

Atleast here in the US, if a 6 year old girl wants to be a Gymnast, she can join a gym and train of her own free will..she doesn't have to be ripped away from her family and forced to do anything with the only goal in her life being "GOLD".

I know how it is in USA, as I am in Canada for the past 18 yrs.
I just want to point out that China is a different country undergoing a different system. You dont have to like their system, but because there is a country like that, your country has the iphone and ipad at such a price. Your apple products are produced by tons of chinese who have been ripped away from her family for just getting $10 a day.

At one point, americans are taking advantage of chinese system, at the other point, americans is criticizing chinese system. Anyway, it's getting so much off topic.. Ye just won another gold, sorry but her blood test will turn out to be fine, and you guys can keep saying she is mutated.
 

123sillyboy123

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Not true, Micheal Phelps had been gradually reaching the Gold Medal time over a number of years. There is a natural progression to anything, you can't just get in the pool and do what he did on a whim. He was training for that and worked towards that time.
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what so surprise for a 16yrs old to beat 5 seconds of her own record that was made in 14yrs old? is that really that hard to believe?
Phelps, Rice, Yannick, Lochte all like that.. only different is they didnt good enough to be at world stage at 16yrs old..
 

OutHouse

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Because they can't believe someone else can be better than they are..

if Ye was on Aussie or USA team, all of the haters would be making excuses to defend Ye.

Truth.

People were saying Liu Xiang was dopin in Athens cause they never saw an asian guy beat the US before. Since then Liu has been getting 1-3 place in every event since and the doping accusations have stopped.

and the racist comes out.

bigot alert!
 

OutHouse

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I know how it is in USA, as I am in Canada for the past 18 yrs.
I just want to point out that China is a different country undergoing a different system. You dont have to like their system, but because there is a country like that, your country has the iphone and ipad at such a price. Your apple products are produced by tons of chinese who have been ripped away from her family for just getting $10 a day.

At one point, americans are taking advantage of chinese system, at the other point, americans is criticizing chinese system. Anyway, it's getting so much off topic.. Ye just won another gold, sorry but her blood test will turn out to be fine, and you guys can keep saying she is mutated.

how much is the commie government paying you to defend the corrupt system in china??
 

Pr0d1gy

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I know how it is in USA, as I am in Canada for the past 18 yrs.
I just want to point out that China is a different country undergoing a different system. You dont have to like their system, but because there is a country like that, your country has the iphone and ipad at such a price. Your apple products are produced by tons of chinese who have been ripped away from her family for just getting $10 a day.

Yes, we call that slavery. And yes, our leaders show a history of taking advantage of your government sponsored slavery. Most of us strongly disagree with it.
 

skagen5555

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They wanted to be the best team and the best players. Should I have encouraged them otherwise?

Doesn't that fly against your reasoning that they were "pushed" into it? They had a desire to want to be the best as oppose to....

China.. Best chooses you!
 

sunzt

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how much is the commie government paying you to defend the corrupt system in china??

they pay me 0.2 yuan per post per day, but i get extra for posting replies to you!

Thanks for paying for my lice!
 

felang

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You're right, in the US, we don't tell teachers to scrutinize their students for athletic talent and ask them to report these children to the State after which they will be taken from their families and put in training facilities where they are pretty much slaves.

Atleast here in the US, if a 6 year old girl wants to be a Gymnast, she can join a gym and train of her own free will..she doesn't have to be ripped away from her family and forced to do anything with the only goal in her life being "GOLD".

I guess you´ve never seen Toddlers & Tiaras...
 

skagen5555

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I guess you´ve never seen Toddlers & Tiaras...

parents are different than the government. There's bad parenting everywhere, no one denies that. But a government program pulling kids away != parents pushing their kids into something.
 

bfdd

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Doesn't that fly against your reasoning that they were "pushed" into it? They had a desire to want to be the best as oppose to....

China.. Best chooses you!
They were "pushed" into it by their parents. Most of them at least. Just because they took a "liking" to it doesn't change that fact. Also, their parents wanted the team to win games.

well since you never took 1st looks like you failed.
We tried hard, both times we got 2nd we played the same team. Arizona has slightly different rules for their league(s) than some of the other states so they allowed over/unders. Which are kids who are 1 year older, but under a certain weight(usually like 5 or 10 lbs less than a kid a year younger than them could weigh). That year of experience makes a big difference.

Also, you guys saying "parents are different than government" doesn't change the fact that these things are institutions in the USA, just not government sponsored. Nor does it change the fact that many children are indoctrinated into sports by their parents. The only difference is we substituted parents for government and USA for China. It's a very similar system and sure ours leans more towards liberty and freedom, but whatever I think you guys are overreacting. I don't like that kids are turned into athletic slaves either, but to act like it only goes on in China is beyond retarded. How many people down on their luck today hope their kid strikes it rich in some sport or art or whatever? A whole damn lot of them and they'll encourage their kids to do so.
 
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Fausto

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what so surprise for a 16yrs old to beat 5 seconds of her own record that was made in 14yrs old? is that really that hard to believe?
Phelps, Rice, Yannick, Lochte all like that.. only different is they didnt good enough to be at world stage at 16yrs old..
No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

UMM HOW i word this... ok u take 20 lbs no lifting for 30lb if guy, so divide 2 u dont sit, u get 10 but for guy it no 30, so 20 would be for guy if u werent a girl ?
 

Destiny

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The thing is about Michael Phelps, according to his team members, he could be ALOT better but is not training as hard as his other team member...
 
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parents are different than the government. There's bad parenting everywhere, no one denies that. But a government program pulling kids away != parents pushing their kids into something.

I thought this was a pretty obvious point, but people don't seem to get it.
 

Dumac

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I love how no matter what proof comes out, even if they killed the girl and did a full autopsy, people would still be 100% convinced she cheated because she's chinese and china is evil while America is a shining paragon of legitimacy and truth.
 

Pr0d1gy

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I love how no matter what proof comes out, even if they killed the girl and did a full autopsy, people would still be 100% convinced she cheated because she's chinese and china is evil while America is a shining paragon of legitimacy and truth.

You should read the thread. Some of us have stated the FACT that most of these athletes do this so we might as well just make it allowed.
 

Phoenix86

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No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

UMM HOW i word this... ok u take 20 lbs no lifting for 30lb if guy, so divide 2 u dont sit, u get 10 but for guy it no 30, so 20 would be for guy if u werent a girl ?
That was unnecessary. I actually tried to read that. You know what it's like trying to read that, so why would you do that to me? Have I offended your ancestry or something? D:
 

Phoenix86

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I love how no matter what proof comes out, even if they killed the girl and did a full autopsy, people would still be 100% convinced she cheated because she's chinese and china is evil while America is a shining paragon of legitimacy and truth.
You know how I know you're fanatical about this?
 

Meghan54

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The simple answer is the girl's clean......right now.

There's a reason they hold the blood samples for 8 years. Sometimes it takes testing tech a while to catch up to the doping tech. So, they save the samples for a period of time they think appropriate for the testing to catch up, hopefully, to the designer doping going on today.

It's happened before.....athlete wins and tests clean, but a few years later a new test is developed and said athlete suddenly tests positive.
 

Lash444

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I don't know about the rest of you, but when I saw this girl the first thing I said was:

"Is that a man or woman?"

All the rest of the swimmers had what I would consider a more female look to them. The chinese swimmer had the upside down triangle from the shoulders to her waist.

She looked unnatural to me.
 

Fausto

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The simple answer is the girl's clean......right now.

There's a reason they hold the blood samples for 8 years. Sometimes it takes testing tech a while to catch up to the doping tech. So, they save the samples for a period of time they think appropriate for the testing to catch up, hopefully, to the designer doping going on today.

It's happened before.....athlete wins and tests clean, but a few years later a new test is developed and said athlete suddenly tests positive.
Correct. Google "CERA" and you should find stories about a few cyclists who were winning left and right, testing clean, and then retroactively tested positive once the tests caught up with the doping.
 
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