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John

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Ross, I have (2) 256MB Samsung SoDimms right next to me.
 

FatDragonn

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dell forces you to buy a complete system with expensive memory and hard drive. i want one that's sans memory and hard drive so i can stick my cheaply gotten warez in the system. i remember at one point, i guess about 3 yrs ago, you had the option to not get a hard drive.
 

ElFenix

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i think thats why we're mostly looking at lappies instead of desktops. still, with 20% off a desktop they come out pretty good
 

John

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moks, nope...as soon as I get the i8000 I will yank the 64MB stick out and drop the (2) 256MB SoDimms in it's place.
 

Heifetz

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Whats the deal with Notebook Harddrives? Should I get the biggest harddrive possible with the Dell (30 gig) or opt for a smaller size and upgrade later? Are Dell ripping you off on harddrives, or do they really cost that much for the extra gigs?


Heifetz
 

zeppelin

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GET A FREE SCANNER, ON TOP OF THE 20% OFF, DVD-ROM AND $100 OFF NOTEBOOKS !!!!!

AmEx is running a promo (don't know if you actually have to use an AmEx card). Here's how:
1)Go here AmEx offerzone. Go to &quot;Office and Electronics&quot;. Then go to the Dell site which offers the free scanner.
2)Create the computer you want (limited to only the Inspirons 3800 and 5000e OR Dimension L733, XPS 4100 and XPS B866) and add it to your cart.
3)Go to msn eshop and go to the dell site there.
4)(Get's tricky here: you can't immediately go to &quot;My Cart&quot; and checkout) Click on a system (just one click .. you don't need to add anything), any system (i.e. &quot;Choose Inspiron 5000e&quot. Then go to &quot;my cart&quot; and checkout ... the MSN wallet button will show up and there you go ... free scanner.

 

Braxus

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Hee hee... I should work for Dell... Probably know more about their notebooks than some of their CSRs.

For the Insprion 4000 series, there are a few reasons to choose it over the 3800 series. Main reason for most users is probably because it's the lightest out of the 3800, 5000e, and 8000 series. The video included is also quite a bit better than the 3800. 4000 series uses a ATI Mobility RAGE 128 which suprisingly has great performace for a notebook when using the 128-bit memory bus (beats the TNT2 in some tests).

For choosing a 5000e, main reason for most users will be the option for a larger 15&quot; screen compared to the 4000s 14.1&quot; XGA. The 5000e series is also the only one that offers the Ultra XGA screens which can support a massive 1600x1200 resolution. For most users, I don't think they can stand 1600x1200 on a 15&quot; screen as it's just a bit too tiny. For those that argue about higher resolutions give better quality, to some extent it is true... but you have to remember the &quot;dot pitch&quot; on notebook screens are inferior to those on a standard CRT. Perhaps if you increase all the default icon sizes, buttons, etc. it might be worthwhile to use.

For the 8000 series, it's basically a whole new different type of machine in a way. Instead of using the 440BX chipset like the 3800, 4000, and the 5000e series do, the 8000 uses a slightly modified i815E chipset. This allows support for 266MBps I/O bandwidth compared to 133MBps offered by the others. Support for AGP 4X is there which Dell also takes advantage of by using the dual-pipeline ATI mobile RAGE chipset. For some people the most important feature of the 8000, being it using the i815E chipset is the support for the 133MHz bus (remember Dell is using a desktop i815E chipset not the mobile i815EM). This allows the adventurous [H]ard user to overclock the CPU without overclocking the rest of the system provided if Dell is also using a compatible clock generator. Support for IEEE1394 (firewire) is included, 2 USB ports, dual touchpad/&quot;ereaser head&quot; mouse, better speakers, hard docked CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive with 2x battery support are some of the other features offered by the 8000 that makes some people choose it. Downside is with all these features you also get the dreadful extra weight carried by the notebook. Also since speedstep is controlled by the BIOS instead of the chipset, you sorta have to &quot;tell&quot; the notebook to use the lower multiplier in the BIOS. One thing is for sure though... I woulnd't mind playing Q3A or UT on the 8000.

Need to know more? Post and I'll answer what I can!

This is the notebook I got.

Dell Insprion 8000 ($2,254.06 - 20% = $1,803.25)

- Intel Pentium III Processor 600MHz (plan to o/c to 800 - 133x6.0)
- 15.0&quot; SXGA+ Display (15&quot; a must. Doubt I'll be using 1400x1050 though)
- 64MB SDRAM x1 DIMM (plan to get another 128MB stick)
- ATI Mobility M4 4x AGP 32MB (16MB a must for 128-bit memory bus! 32MB for future games w/larger textures)
- Int. Mini PCI v.90 + 10/100 NIC (only $30 for the int. NIC!)
- 10GB HDD (By the time I fill it up, better/cheaper ATA/100 notebook drives should be avail)
- Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Hoping to get that refunded)
- 8X DVD-ROM Drive (Gotta love that freebie!)
- Microsoft Works Suite 2001 plus Money 2001 (Refund this sucker too if I can)
- Norton AntiVirus 2000 for WinME (Although free, doubt I'll be using it)
- Additional 59WHR Lithium Ion Battery (mmmm... ~5 hour power time)


Now anyone know where to get some hot deals on SODIMMs? Cheapest I've found for 128MB is 79 bucks on Pricewatch or 98 bucks for Corsair CAS2 PC-100 (micron -8E chips?).
 

Braxus

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Oh spiffy... I could use a new scanner. Then again... on the terms it reads:

Offer not valid on sale items or in conjunction with any other offer or promotion. Limit one per Cardmember. Offer only valid for online purchases through Dell Home Systems Co.

Let us know if the deal does come through though!
 

RossMAN

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Ok I'm thinking about buying an Inspiron 4000 or 5000e I'd like to get it for under $1700 shipped, also there is no sales tax in Oregon.

Can you guys help me choose the best system? I JUST hate you people for making me spend so much!

I'd like at least:
14&quot; LCD
Intel Celeron 600 MHz
64MB RAM
10GB HD
16MB ATI RAGE Mobility 128? 3D Video, 2X AGP
56k &amp; 10/100 NIC combo
8x DVD
59WHR Lithium Ion Battery

Ok now for my questions:
1) I would be paying for this with my existing financing through Dell so this may not be possible. I may just have to use a CC. Can any of you lurking Dell employees either post here or e-mail me if I'd still be able to place my Dell Inspiron 4000 or 5000e order online taking advantage of the MSN Passport 20% off but paying for it with my Dell financed loan?

2) Why would I want the 5000e instead of the 4000? What are the benefits that would warrant the extra cost? This will not be a desktop replacement I'd probably use the laptop about 1-2 hours a day.

3) If I purchase the Dell Inspiron 5000e I would of course like the best 15&quot; NEW! Ultra XGA TFT Display. But if I cannot afford that then what is the next best step saving me about $200 or so? Here are all four of the choices:
15&quot; NEW! Ultra XGA TFT Display
15&quot; Super XGA+ TFT Display
15&quot; XGA TFT Display
14.1&quot; Super XGA+ TFT Display

4) On the Inspiron 5000e it appears that the Celeron 600 is only compatible with the 15&quot; XGA TFT Display and14.1&quot; Super XGA+ TFT Display.

5) I intend on adding wireless Ethernet at a later time, when I can afford it that is.

6) On the 5000e for only $49 more I can get the 16MB ATI RAGE Mobility 128? 3D Video, 2X AGP card. I don't intend on using my notebook as a full fledged gaming machine but I might play a game or two like The Sims or some racing games. Even if I did not play any games, how much of a difference will I notice with the 16MB ATI vs. the 8MB ATI? Is $49 more a lot or very reasonable? Is this is a no brainer?

7) I have heard nothing but bad things about Win ME. Should I opt for Win 98: SE instead? If so, why? I do have a copy of Windows 2000 Pro, if I were to install it onto the laptop would that be my best option? Of course I'd want at least 192MB RAM or is that enough? I am thinking of going with Win 98: SE since it isn't as hardware hungry as Wk2 Pro is. Or maybe I should go with Win ME?

8) By default it seems the 5000e comes with a 9 cell/59w battery which apparently gives you 3 hours of battery life which I think would be fine for me. $99 more for the 2nd 59 WHR Lithium Ion Battery seems steep and would add to the weight of the notebook. So I doubt I'll go for the extra battery. Besides I fly like once a year, if that.

9) I live in Portland, Oregon what are the differences between these two warranty options? I have heard that some people highly suggest getting the optional warranty esp for a laptop. Is it a waste of money?
3 Yrs Next Business Day Parts &amp; Labor with Complete Care [add $169]
3 Yr Next Business Day International On-Site Parts &amp; Labor

Ok I know that I was primarily looking at the 5000e would the 4000 would probably be cheaper but if I can get A LOT more power and a better screen for say $400-$500 more then I think I would go for that.

Sorry for all the nitpicking questions but if I go through with this I want to buy the perfect notebook for my needs.

Thanks!
 

RossMAN

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Ok I just now priced a Dell Inspiron 4000 for $1617 - 20% off = $1293.60

Celeron Processor, 600 MHz, 14.1&quot; XGA TFT Display
$100 Special Offer
Tahoe Blue QuickSnap Color Insert
Tahoe Blue QuickSnap Color Insert [$19]
64MB, SDRAM, 1 DIMM
10GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
53 WHr Lithium-Ion Battery with ExpressCharge?
Free! 8X Max Variable DVD-ROM Drive
Internal 56K Capable V.90 + 10/100 Mini-PCI Combo
1 Yr. Next Business Day On-Site Parts&amp;Labor
No Network Adapter
Microsoft® Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Norton Antivirus® 2000 for Windows Millennium
AOL 1-Year Internet Access Service
New Microsoft TM Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001 Standard
Resolution Assistant
Dell Inspiron 4000 Setup Video

It would be nice to have the bigger, badder, faster Inspiron 5000e faster CPU, bigger LCD and better graphics but $1293.60 is an AWESOME PRICE! Not to mention if I can successfully go through eBates for 1% and get the free scanner as well. I also believe shipping is free for now? and best of all Oregon has NO SALES TAX !!!
 

RossMAN

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Ok I just now priced a Dell Inspiron 5000e for $2326 - 20% off = $1860.80

Although it would be nice to have the 15.0&quot; Ultra XGA TFT Display I don't think it warrants an extra $200.

I would be using the 56k modem a few times a month but mostly connecting via my DSL LAN at home. So did I choose the correct modem and 10/100 NIC? I wanted a good modem, not a Win modem.

Pentium III® processor,700MHz,Featuring SpeedStep? 15.0&quot; Super XGA+ TFT display
$100 Special Offer
64MB, SDRAM, 1 DIMM
10GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
16MB ATI RAGE Mobility 128? 3D Video, 2X AGP
??? Deluxe Nylon Case ??? I wish I could see a picture of this. I still have my free Kensington laptop case I got thanks to this forum. Would that suffice?
No Additional Battery
Free! 8X Max Variable DVD-ROM Drive
56K Capable V.90 Gold Card Global Modem
Xircom® CardBus Ethernet II 10/100 PC Card
3 Yr Next Business Day International On-Site Parts &amp; Labor
Microsoft® Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Norton Antivirus® 2000 for Windows Millennium
New Microsoft TM Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001 Standard
AOL 1-Year Internet Access Service
Dell Proactive Support by Attune
Resolution Assistant

I think I might visit my local Best Buy, Office Depot, etc. and compare different laptops with Celeron 600 and P3 CPU's to see if I notice a huge improvement or not.

I wonder if the extra cost of this 5000e is worth it, should I have gotten a different modem, NIC, etc?
 

Braxus

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I'll answer what I can..

1. You're gonna have to ask a Dell CSR about this one.

2. Gonna reverse your question to why a 4000 instead of a 5000e here . For your uses, I'd say the 4000 should suit you fine. You said you'd like a 14&quot; screen... The 4000 meets that requirement. The 4000 also weighs in at 5.2 lbs. to 6.2 lbs. and is 1.47&quot; thin. 5000 is 7.2 to 7.5 and is 1.6&quot;. Also if you look closely at the 4000 series, you'll notice it has that dual touchpad/&quot;ereaser head&quot; mouse. The 5000 doesn't. As for style, the 4000 has some of those quick acess multimedia keys on top. The 5000 is just your standard more &quot;professional looking&quot; notebook.

3. As you already have somewhat stated, The 5000e does offer a 15 inch display. As posted in my previous post. Ask yourself this question... &quot;Will I be actually using 1600x1200 on a 15 inch screen?&quot; Take the dot-pitch into consideration too. I myself will probably most likely be using 1024x768 on my lappy. For reference, SXGA+ can support up to 1400x1050. XGA supports up to 1024x768. I say go with SXGA+ gives that extra 87% pixel space for those just in case moments (ie web design).

4. If you know how to fiddle with the URL, you can have any type of system. If you notice on URL. Dell basically gives you your notebook options via the &quot;e-value&quot; code. Here is an example.

http://commerce.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.asp?customer_id=19&amp;keycode=6v918&amp;order_code=5000rl&amp;x=0&amp;y=0&amp;dgvsite_id=msn-promo

Notice when you visit Dell's page via the MSN promo link, only SXGA+ displays are available. Change that to:

http://commerce.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.asp?customer_id=19&amp;keycode=6v920&amp;order_code=5000rh&amp;x=0&amp;y=0&amp;dgvsite_id=msn-promo

Now you have the UXGA displays available! The e-value codes are genrally next to the &quot;printable summary&quot; tab. Find the codes you want and enter them to get your desired system. Just keep the selections in the Home &amp; Home Office section to make your 20% valid. Although it is possible to buy systems at the lower acedemic price and have the MSN Promo text still visible by fiddling with the URL, keep in mind in the terms of the 20% rebate promo, it says it only applies to the Home section.

As for your selection of a Celeron 600, I'd get a Pentium III 600 instead. The PIIIs have speedstep which will preserve your battery life (drops to 1.35 volts in speedstep). The Celeron 600 doesn't have this feature so it sticks at a constant 1.6v.

5. Hopefully Bluetooth will come on to be the standard. If that's the case, I'll be getting one too.

You might want to just consider getting an aftermarket NIC PC Card as it's probably cheaper than what Dell is charging if you get the 5000e. You already have a internal 56K modem there... Although it's probably a winmodem/softmodem.

For the 4000 model might as well get the integrated one as it is for a reasonable price... Saves you a PC Card slot too.

6. Go with 16MB. You said you plan to play some racing games and most current ones at least use some sort of 3D API. If you stick with 8MB, you'll be limited to a 64-bit memory bus bandwidth. Not a pretty sight for gaming. With 16MB, you get the full 128-bit memory bandwidth. Desktop should be fine however even with 8MB.

7. Since you have a copy of Win2K Pro. Why not ask Dell if you can have the system without an OS? Might not happen but doesn't hurt to try!

For WinME, there are some troubles with it... Some Dell users have said that ACPI doesn't work properly in WinME. If ACPI is important to you, stick with W98SE.

On my desktop system W2K usually eats around 140MB of memory, I'd go with at least 192MB if you plan to use that OS. Drivers and utilities for Win9x/ME/2K can be found on Dell's site.

8. Since you said you'll be only using it for about 1-2 hours a day. One battery is more than enough.

9. Complete care is basically a type of insurance for your notebook. Just don't do something stupid with your notebook and you'll be fine. But if you're one of those people that might accidently damage a notebook (e.g. run over it with a car because you forgot to pick it up from the ground), get complete care. Also... from Dell's site:

Complete Care is not available in California, New York, North Carolina, Virginia, Vermont or New Mexico and Florida.

CompleteCare covers all accidental damage except fire damage and also excludes theft, loss and damage due to intentional damage. CompleteCare is currently not available in all states.



Down to the nitty gritty... Will you get a lot more power from the 5000e? probably not too much. The 4000 uses a 53WHr while the 5000e uses a 59WHr. Better screen? hmm... 14.1 inch (max 1024x768 res) on 4000 and 15 inch on 5000e. You decide your resolution needs.
 

hanybanoub

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Wow Braxus I'd like to thank you loads and loads for all the great info Incredible :Q

Btw, you mention that to really take advantage of the Inspiron 4000 for gaming or extra video horsepower, that we should get it with 16 mb of video ram. But all the options I've seen, and believe me I've tried to configure it on Dell's web site, you cannot configure the 4000 model to anything beyond it's apparantly native 8 mb.

Any ideas or suggestions ?

Once again, thanks sooo much

cheers
 

purpleD

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Hey, since we have a Dell employee reading these forums, I have a question. Dell has three cupons out on their inspiron notebooks (free DVD, 100 off, and free shipping). Usually when then have this many cupons out that means in couple of weeks (after they expire) prices go down. Is this going to happen? Is it best to wait a couple weeks before moving in on the 20% off?

-purpleD
 

rootaxs

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WEll that deal ends tomorrow... so even if you buy it today and they lower their price in the next few days/weeks chances are you can still avail of the low price guarantee within 30 days of your purchase so either way you win.




And a note to everyone else, i talked to a total of 4 sales reps at Dell and all of them had the same answer. If i don't opt for an OS or any of those software they provide there is going to be *NO* deduction in price... so basically all the software is *free*. Too bad though since i know i'm not going to be using these. And selling them on e bay is a big no-no since it's OEM.
 

manly

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yeah, besides Apple Powerbooks, all major notebook purchases incur the infamous Micro$oft tax. However, the M$ end-user license agreement used to stipulate that if you do not agree to its terms (presented the first time you turn on your new PC), you can return the operating system software to the manufacturer for refund. I would suggest reading the agreement carefully, and seeing if you're able to recover the license cost for this software if you truly intend to not use it.

Since the monopolists so far have had little regard for the consumer, I think they tightened up this loophole a bit to prevent any revenue loss.

The sad part is that years ago, M$ consented with the FTC (I believe) to not engage in exclusive licensing practices (i.e. force notebook makers to bundle Windows OS or else refuse to license OEM Office at the preferred rate). While most of the big PC vendors would not say so in open court, they are hamstrung by Microsoft to force this TAX upon consumers.

You can imagine why I don't buy any mickeysoft products anymore. While we don't really have much choice with notebooks, if this situation bothers you, next time you consider buying a desktop, choose against one of the name-brand PC makers that forces you to buy Windows. Generally, a well-built clone PC is at least as attractive as a Dell (and I would say considerally more attractive than most of the cheap retail PCs), usually at a lower relative cost. When shopping a white-box clone, a reputable vendor will not force you to license Windows OS. Just a thought...

edit:
just wanted to add in response to rootaxs that the software is definitely NOT free. Dell/Microsoft force you to pay for it whether you use it or not. There's a significant difference; that's why I label it a tax.
 

Braxus

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For the 4000 series, the most you can get is embedded 8MB which unfortunately limits your memory bandwidth to 64-bits wide. However all hope might not be lost, If Dell uses only a slightly modified PCB between the I4K/I5Ke notebooks you might be able to get a aftermarket video memory upgrade and plug it in an upgrade socket giving you 16MB and a 128-bit memory bus.

As for the Microsoft OS refund thingy... Just got answered....

Benny,

Only Dell servers can be requested without an operating system on them. All other systems (i.e. Opliplex and Dimension) must have an operating system on them when they ship.

Respectfully,

Cathy Hulne


Original Message:

I was wondering if it would be possible to not include an operating system on the Inspiron 8000 I just ordered reducing the cost of the price I recently paid on my notebook.

Reason being is that I plan to use a different operating system on my notebook instead of WindowsME. Therefore I don't need to buy a license for WindowsME.

I've heard many people saying that Dell does allow this and others that say Dell doesn't. Can you clarify this for me? I would think Dell can since the End-User License Agreement (EULA) that comes with every Microsoft OS says:

YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING THE PRODUCT. IF YOU DO NOT AGRREE, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE PRODUCT; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND.

Although Dell might require the use of the operating system to test/burn-in the notebook before shipping, couldn't Dell just remove it before shipment? Reason being that the EULA is refering to the end-user, in this case myself.

Well... as I said before... Wishful thinking.
 

rootaxs

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manly, so that's what it is! thanks for giving the heads up on this. doesn't make sense at least on a consumer's standpoint to pay for something that can't be used <g> *sigh* (p.s. the &quot;free&quot; term i used is quoted directly from the sales rep i spoke to at dell)

hey, anyone heard of Ashton Digital and FOSA notebooks? They go really cheap with more features at the same price of other known notebooks at Egghead but i haven't read nor heard much about them.

Note: Sorry about the multiple posts (and now blank) above this one, must've been a glitch
 

Braxus

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For those that are looking for aftermarket laptop memory here is a link for a 128MB SODIMM stick.

http://www.coastmemory.com/category.asp?pagetoview=1&amp;catid=11&amp;subcatid= (Part No. LGEN128140 - $79.49)

On the pricewatch description it says lifetime warrenty and Major Mfgrs. No idea if the memory is CAS3 or CAS2 though... Someone buy from Coast before?

Now here is one that I know is CAS2 for sure... Corsair RAM... I think it uses Micron -8E chips. Suprisingly, buying direct from Crucial is actually cheaper than from buy.com, onvia, etc. shipping is free too!

http://www.crucial.com/index.asp?imodule=CT16M64S6W8E (Part No. CT16M64S6W8E - $98.99)

For those that plan to attempt on o/cing their I8Ks to 133MHz FSB, make sure you get CAS2 memory! No PC-133 SODIMMs yet...
 
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