Yelp worker writes open letter to her CEO saying her pays too low. She get fired

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Exophase

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I don't see how you could justify anything less without enjoying paying to support them through taxes. What would you rather have do, pay people a living wage to support people living through welfare? I'd rather have people have incentives to work and incentives to live off the government.

Can we lay down some definitions for living wage? If you can do it with a roommate/room in a house, public transportation, and an overall modest lifestyle that includes cheap food and a minimal amount spent on things like phone, internet, and cable that should still qualify as living IMO. That's still enough to be safe, nourished, healthy (especially with the health plan she got) and have enough resources available to keep yourself mentally occupied and content. I'm not seeing this as the image of poverty and despair, certainly not like the lifestyle she describes where she can't eat and any expense is a disaster.

If people like Talia Jane went to college and never had to have a roommate then they were already very privileged. And that usually involves sharing an actual room with someone; having an apartment with a room to your self is much better. Unless you end up stuck with complete jerks the roommate situation should really not be such a huge deal with young, single, childless adults just getting started professionally.
 

Phoenix86

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This chart is NOT the minimum to live.

Minimum to live above poverty, which is fair considering it isn't a minimum wage job. There's a scale on there for 2 adults, so roommate, which she obviously should have (like I said she's making terrible choices). That being said I was fucking up net and gross, she's making enough gross to live within that chart.

I bring great shame upon my family.
 

Stopsignhank

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I like this reply to her second open letter (Where she shows that she just did all this for the attention so she could get paid to be a blogger). Sorry it so long, but read the first couple of paragraphs.

Now you’re the poster child for the Bay Area’s anti-poverty movement?


You know, Talia Jane, I’ve worked in the nonprofit sector here in the Bay Area for 20 years. All of my past employers served people who were veritably poor and lived in the kind of conditions I doubt you’ve seen up close. In fact, many of my colleagues themselves were low-income earners who came to work day after day to serve along with the rest of us.


My co-workers earned a lot less than you, and they weren’t getting fancy snacks at work. Some of them were even raising kids. How did they do it? They did things you probably never considered. They bought clothing from thrift stores, worked second jobs or side hustles, and drove beater cars, if they had them at all. One or two even lived in a trailer. What’s funny is that not once did I hear them whine about being poor, even though all of them were striving to better themselves.


The fact that you’ve decided to publicly turn yourself into Mother Theresa in the span of, what, four days is, frankly, an insult to everyone who has devoted their careers and lives to fighting poverty and inequality. Even though “poverty” may be a new concept to you, you’re not the first to realize that extreme economic inequality exists in the Bay Area. Believe it or not, a multitude of policy institutions, NGOs, local municipalities, and philanthropic foundations started the conversation a long time ago. You’re welcome to join the fight, but please don’t think that your ideas are novel or that you’re going to singlehandedly level the playing field overnight.


Now let me change tracks for a moment.


A couple things really bother me about your Open Letters, and I want to bring them up because you’ve glided by some of these points without addressing them. First, while I don’t begrudge you for actually eating, you did lead readers to believe that you subsisted for months on nothing but work snacks and ten pounds of rice. That’s dishonest. It’s especially so because thousands of people in the Bay Area, including lots of children, go to bed with empty stomachs every single night. In light of this, I don’t understand how you can look at yourself in the mirror while asking for handouts and awaiting severance.


Second, your lack of inward reflection and resourcefulness are concerning and make me question your financial future. Anyone can clearly see that the lifestyle that you portrayed (i.e. own apartment, car, cell phone, cable TV, Netflix, fancy alcohol) far exceeded your earning power. While living in the Bay Area on minimum wage is definitely a challenge, you could have cut back your expenses in so many ways, like sharing an apartment in SF, taking MUNI to work, turning down the heat, etc. Many people have pointed this out to you, yet I have yet to see you address it. Maybe you’re intentionally trying to skate past this point, but it’s definitely important for you to realize your role in this whole rigmarole. Your next job might come with better pay or it might not, but if you don’t have the skills to manage your money and live within your means, it doesn’t really matter what you earn.


Finally, I say this as someone who was once 25 and did my share of stupid things. Please turn off your computer and step away. Between applauding Stephanie William’s (most excellent) rebuttal and promising to pay back the GoFundMe contributions, you’re all over the place. It’s making me embarrassed for your future self. It’s great that you want to contribute to the world, but you’ve got to have something to give before you can give back. My suggestion would be to work on securing the means to support yourself, stop asking for handouts, and get your financial house in order. Put in some hard labor and build your chops, then you can worry about winning the Humanitarian of the Year Award
 

Phoenix86

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Can we lay down some definitions for living wage? If you can do it with a roommate/room in a house, public transportation, and an overall modest lifestyle that includes cheap food and a minimal amount spent on things like phone, internet, and cable that should still qualify as living IMO. That's still enough to be safe, nourished, healthy (especially with the health plan she got) and have enough resources available to keep yourself mentally occupied and content. I'm not seeing this as the image of poverty and despair, certainly not like the lifestyle she describes where she can't eat and any expense is a disaster.

Living wage is fairly well defined, you pretty much hit the main points. Food, shelter, health. I won't begin to touch her actual decisions, because she makes window licking bad ones.

If people like Talia Jane went to college and never had to have a roommate then they were already very privileged. And that usually involves sharing an actual room with someone; having an apartment with a room to your self is much better. Unless you end up stuck with complete jerks the roommate situation should really not be such a huge deal with young, single, childless adults just getting started professionally.

On top of all the other terrible choices she has made, she's under employed. If she gets a "requires college degree" job she could probably afford her lifestyle.
 

Exophase

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Minimum to live above poverty, which is fair considering it isn't a minimum wage job. There's a scale on there for 2 adults, so roommate, which she obviously should have (like I said she's making terrible choices).

She is making minimum wage though. I mean, not federal minimum wage, but minimum wage for San Francisco. They actually have an ordinance to increase minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2018.

If she had a roommate that would have been an extra $620 monthly in her pocket.. then she could have held tight a little longer while the minimum wage went up giving her an automatic raise of another ~$350 a month. So that's nearly $1k extra a month which would have easily taken care of all her complaints and much more.

As far as I'm concerned SF already took enough of a plunge to make it possible for anyone working full time to manage (so long as the rent hikes vs commute times don't get too much worse) but that's not good enough for her. I doubt she'd be happy unless she was making at least $25/hour doing this job.

Small businesses in SF are already saying they can't operate with $15 minimum wage. I know people are calling for $15 across the country but I doubt that's actually going to happen and the situation in SF pretty much proves that that's way too high of a minimum for locations that have drastically lower cost of living.

The real trouble is for people who can't manage to find anywhere close to full time work and/or have a lot of obligatory expenses like children.

EDIT: Sorry, guess I got you pre-edit.. not really sure I can fit this to your post now in a way that still makes sense but I'm leaving it up anyway
 

K1052

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Why? The company has probably done cost calculations of paying the higher minimum wage in SF versus opening up a new satellite office elsewhere. The costs might be marginally higher but seeing as how they give their entry level people full healthcare benefits and even snacks I doubt that they mind.

The reply to the letter was spot on, it's friggen retarded to move to SF, one of the most expensive places in the country to live, for a minimum wage job. The rest of her drivel is irrelevant, if you don't like making minimum wage then don't get a job in which you can be replaced by an 18 year old OR don't publicly piss your boss off so that you can move up the ladder. Who the hell finishes college and then purposefully moves across the country for a minimum wage job??? She needs to write a letter to her school demanding a refund because they obviously didn't do a very good job at educating her.

It makes so much sense they're transitioning those functions to PHX (among other places that I know about).

I'm not defending her poor life decisions but somebody at that company didn't think too much about what they were doing and that they could easily hire better people for less or equal money in a job that doesn't actually care where you sit your butt in the country so your CSRs aren't miserable. A lot of companies have remote customer service presences, either in call centers or employees at home, for this reason.

Increasingly it's not just the min wage folks that are confronting cost of living and quality of life issues in the bay area. I know a number of people working good jobs at tech companies that are itching to light out for Portland/Seattle/Austin/Chicago/NYC if they haven't done so already. If you don't have a pile of equity or are a rich asian guy looking to stash money in the US you can basically forget about owning a home. As a result pretty much everybody is at the mercy of a punishing rental market. Our household makes more money than I ever thought possible and I feel poorer than when we were making half what we do now. We are definitely not alone in that feeling and thus the decision to get while the getting is good.
 
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It makes so much sense they're transitioning those functions to PHX (among other places that I know about).

I'm not defending her poor life decisions but somebody at that company didn't think too much about what they were doing and that they could easily hire better people for less or equal money in a job that doesn't actually care where you sit your butt in the country so your CSRs aren't miserable. A lot of companies have remote customer service presences, either in call centers or employees at home, for this reason.

Increasingly it's not just the min wage folks that are confronting cost of living and quality of life issues in the bay area. I know a number of people working good jobs at tech companies that are itching to light out for Portland/Seattle/Austin/Chicago/NYC if they haven't done so already. If you don't have a pile of equity or are a rich asian guy looking to stash money in the US you can basically forget about owning a home. As a result pretty much everybody is at the mercy of a punishing rental market. Our household makes more money than I ever thought possible and I feel poorer than when we were making half what we do now. We are definitely not alone in that feeling and thus the decision to get while the getting is good.

I hear moving is useful. Especially NOT moving to places that are prime for overcrowded housing and an extreme market for high prices. You know..... if you do that whole thinking thing in life.

You especially don't have dick for an excuse if you're fresh out of college. You don't have shit to move. It's not a hard concept. No, your family/friends is not an excuse to live a life of misery trying to scrape by. One of the two is a WEE bit more painful (well, for most people that aren't stupid).
 

takeru

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On top of all the other terrible choices she has made, she's under employed. If she gets a "requires college degree" job she could probably afford her lifestyle.

i don't think she ever finished college. so she got exactly the job for her level, entry level no college degree with no experience, and got fed up with the pay only after 3 months of working there, because waiting for at least the one year mark for a promo consideration was too long of a wait. so no, she is not under employed, she is in dreamland.

I left college, having majored in English literature...

left college, not finished college...
 

Paladin3

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left college, not finished college...

I love her reasoning for getting into the situation she did, like she had no other choice:

"I left college, having majored in English literature, with a dream to work in media. It was either that or go to law school. Or become a teacher. But I didn’t want to become a cliche or drown in student loans, see. I also desperately needed to leave where I was living — I could get into the details of why, but to sum up: I wanted to die every single day of my life and it took me several years to realize it was because of the environment I was in. So, I picked the next best place: somewhere close to my dad, since we’ve never gotten to have much of a relationship and I like the weather up here. I found a job (I was hired the same day as my interview, in fact) and I put a bunch of debt on a shiny new credit card to afford the move."

The drama is strong is this one. She just *had* to move to SF to save her life.
 

Exterous

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Minimum to live above poverty, which is fair considering it isn't a minimum wage job.

Minimum to live above poverty is a much different statement than your earlier minimum to live statement.

That still seems like an odd thing to say given the data that website uses. Being able to afford living alone, $1600 a year on apparel, and that level of FDA food budget are not things I would consider as the minimum above poverty either.
 

TheVrolok

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Could only get about a third of the way through. Entitled with an excessive ego. It is absolutely no surprise she's in the place that she is. She's earned it.
 

clamum

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The girls public twitter is a hot mess. On there 24/7 complaining or posting about the load she just dumped in the toilet. I would have fired her too.
It's really good I wasn't sipping my coffee when I read that. LOOOOL. Oh man I gotta check this garbage out when I get home later. It's kinda like a watching the results of a car wreck while driving by. :whiste: D:
 

stlc8tr

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As with Yeezy, this was a PR move.

It worked pretty well. A few days ago, no one had any idea who this person was. Now she's gotten notoriety as well as a job offer.
 

Exophase

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I know a number of people working good jobs at tech companies that are itching to light out for Portland/Seattle/Austin/Chicago/NYC if they haven't done so already.

Indeed, there are now tons of news stories about skilled workers in tech fields fleeing San Francisco because of the extreme rent hikes.

Then there's the secondary effect of an ever-increasing property tax.
 
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RockinZ28

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Flew into SFO this morning. First stop, In N Out of course. Sign on the door said Now Hiring: $12.50/hr. So there ya go, she could get a higher paying job to flip burgers.
 

Sooon

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I love her reasoning for getting into the situation she did, like she had no other choice:

"I left college, having majored in English literature, with a dream to work in media. It was either that or go to law school. Or become a teacher. But I didn’t want to become a cliche or drown in student loans, see. I also desperately needed to leave where I was living — I could get into the details of why, but to sum up: I wanted to die every single day of my life and it took me several years to realize it was because of the environment I was in. So, I picked the next best place: somewhere close to my dad, since we’ve never gotten to have much of a relationship and I like the weather up here. I found a job (I was hired the same day as my interview, in fact) and I put a bunch of debt on a shiny new credit card to afford the move."

The drama is strong is this one. She just *had* to move to SF to save her life.

Sounds like a certain froot loop loving ATOT member.
 

Mai72

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It's everyone's fault but my own. Society owes me a $1m job, new car, and a huge home. It's not fair.

 

gorcorps

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Flew into SFO this morning. First stop, In N Out of course. Sign on the door said Now Hiring: $12.50/hr. So there ya go, she could get a higher paying job to flip burgers.

Min wage in SF is $12.25, so certainly not that much better
 

PliotronX

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As with Yeezy, this was a PR move.

It worked pretty well. A few days ago, no one had any idea who this person was. Now she's gotten notoriety as well as a job offer.
Right? The interweb has both improved and also made humanity worse in some areas. This kind of stunt seems to work every time thanks to the interweb.

 

SP33Demon

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Why put it on renters either? Why don't we put it on the real issue: the morons who refuse to allow cheaper housing to be built and continue to fuel an artificial housing shortage in an already high cost of living area?


And, for what it's worth, anyone with a twitter account doesn't know what it's like to be poor. Poor people have far more important things to do than post on twitter, like wonder where their next meal is actually going to come from or decide between having water or electricity this month.

I do find it rather humorous that those that cry about need a raise the loudest are generally those lacking the necessary skills to obtain one.

Yep, until you've lived months without electricity or hot water then you have no idea what poverty is like. It sucks and it's stressful.
 

ponyo

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Feb 14, 2002
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Yep, until you've lived months without electricity or hot water then you have no idea what poverty is like. It sucks and it's stressful.

I know what it is like to be poor. I get stressed when my checking account balance falls below $30K.
 
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