Yep, $1,200 for a Sony Walkman!!!

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GagHalfrunt

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Lol. I saw that and face palmed. Sony's claiming that it generates lower electrical noise. However, that doesn't make sense. Digital systems aren't really affected by noise. You either get a signal or you don't. They're pulling some Monster shenanigans there.

You have to give Sony credit, they understand their consumers. When you're marketing to audiophiles that's what you have to do. You're selling to the dumbest, most gullible, most pretentious people on earth, you can't make ordinary claims about reliability or transfer speeds. You have to invent some magical nonsense about "headspace" or "listening fatigue" or "electronic noise" and not only will they believe it, they'll claim to be about to distinguish it. The more idiotic and the more untestable the claim the better.

Hell, if I was a crook I'd not only be marketing snake oil to audiophiles, I'd be marketing to the 1% audiophiles because every audiophile believes that they're the 1%. Don't sell a SD card that claims to reduce electronic noise, sell one that claims to reduce electronic noise in a part of the audible spectrum so tiny that only one audiophile in a billion has the hearing perception necessary to be able to tell the difference. Every audiophile on the planet would buy it and claim to be able to hear the improvement.
 
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Hugo Drax

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You want that 10,000 dollar audiophile Ethernet cable to download those files.
 

BUTCH1

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Some idiots will buy them, idiots buy Monster cable's HDMI's @ $200 every day LOL.
 

MagickMan

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Not sure why it bothers some people that others buy luxury $1200 MP3 players, you probably gripe about Ferraris too.
 

Gunbuster

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Not sure why it bothers some people that others buy luxury $1200 MP3 players, you probably gripe about Ferraris too.



Because a Ferrari has crazy horsepower and gets you laid. While the Sony does no better than products costing way less and does not get you laid.
 

mmntech

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Not sure why it bothers some people that others buy luxury $1200 MP3 players, you probably gripe about Ferraris too.

Well, for starters a Ferrari has a pretty large and measurable advantage over say a Toyota Camry. You can't say the same with pricey audiophile gear. Especially the memory cards Sony is selling for it. It's also considerably more expensive than Neil Young's Pono player, which is also aimed at audiophiles.
 

MagickMan

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Well, for starters a Ferrari has a pretty large and measurable advantage over say a Toyota Camry. You can't say the same with pricey audiophile gear. Especially the memory cards Sony is selling for it. It's also considerably more expensive than Neil Young's Pono player, which is also aimed at audiophiles.

Because a Ferrari has crazy horsepower and gets you laid. While the Sony does no better than products costing way less and does not get you laid.

Still doesn't answer why you give a shit about what other people spend their money on. That's just weird. Are you jealous that they have $1200 to blow on such a thing, just because it's exclusive and feels expensive? That's like bitching at Rolex buyers.
 
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Thump553

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There is a limited (but growing) market for lossless/"HD" audio. While it is certainly a niche device there is some precedent for releasing halo devices that sell in small numbers. Certainly, Sony has done this for decades with home audio/video components. I mean, how many $5k DVD players did they (expect to) sell?


I use a $30 Sansa Clip which plays lossless FLAC files perfectly.
 

Imp

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I have gone through 2 of these in the past 6 or so years. Just broke my last one by dropping a dumbbell on it. Oh well. I'll just buy another for $20!

I was planning to get a Sansa, but the newest version they stocked locally didn't have reviews as good as the older model. Settled on a Sony Walkman for $80. Easy to load songs with Windows Media Player and battery is over 20 hours. Not bad.
 
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Both of these things are accurate.

Er, weren't you arguing with people about vinyl sounding sooooooo much better in a thread not very long ago? And that you could supposedly easily tell the difference in even MP3 bitrates, let alone lossy compared to lossless?

Lol. I saw that and face palmed. Sony's claiming that it generates lower electrical noise. However, that doesn't make sense. Digital systems aren't really affected by noise. You either get a signal or you don't. They're pulling some Monster shenanigans there.

My theory is that Sony's repackaging all their overpriced Class 6 NAND from the Vita in order to cut their losses on that hunk-of-junk console. It's genius really. Audiophiles will buy anything.

As for vinyl sounding better... well yes, it does. Only vintage vinyl though pressed before the Loudness War started. Some time in the late 80s / early 90s, recording engineers started using dynamic range compression to boost the overall loudness of a track. However, it clips out sharper sounds, making the music sound muddy and less realistic. New vinyl is made from these masters, so it's not going to sound much different from the CD version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Well actually it is affected by noise (ever had your speakers pick up someone's phone call? But even basically at some point it converts it to analog which is impacted by noise, although an SD card is not going to make a lot of difference unless the player has some dysfunction).

It very well could be. I don't think the Vita is junk, but it's yet another instance of Sony seemingly learning from their past mistakes only to just replace it with another stupid one. It could have been quite good but it wasn't. Maybe Sony will realize before Nintendo that their best bet for making a portable game system is to make a quality controller case for iPhones and then work on porting their older games to it and integrating cross-play and the like for newer games.

Yes and no. It depends on subjective opinion, personally even quality vinyl doesn't always sound that good to me and it's because it can lack in the low end due to the EQ of the medium. But yes the masters, transfers, and mixing matter the most, and with the way that's handled right now it's just not good. And it's stupid because most people that are at all interested in quality know this, including the studios, but there's just no real effort to change it.

Interesting article about Young's Pono player in which the reviewer does an A/B test playing the same files with an Iphone, seems the Pono is mostly hype and then one has to buy the albums at the Poo store for a whopping $24 a pop!
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/it-was-one-of-kickstarters-most-successful-109496883039.html

This isn't surprising. With the right headphones you can probably tell the difference in the players (although that doesn't necessarily mean the more expensive audiophile stuff will sound better), but the Pono player apparently straight up sucks to use (horrible interface) so that alone would make me not want anything to do with it. Also I'm not at all surprised about the stuff they're selling on the Pono store not really sounding better. There's been some talk of pushing for going back to original recordings (the high quality studio tapes for instance, and then doing modern transfers), but that's still too little, and if they still muck it up in the transfer then it's mostly pointless anyway.

They're also doing a profoundly stupid way of trying to sell it to people, him saying that an iPhone only is 3% of the music that Pono offers (speaking of relative quality) is so absurdly bullshit that it's ridiculous.

It's annoying because it's a lot of marketing bullshit to basically sell a high-res capable version of MP3 players that failed a decade ago. They're trying to sell the 24/96 aspect when that matters about the least of anything they could have done. The player itself is supposedly decent quality (enough so that compared to other "audiophile" DAPs it's pretty good), but that's definitely not enough for me to drop $500 on Toblerone MP3 player.

To me it's hardly any different from Beats by Dre, this is just more marketing crap just with Neil Young pushing it. Now maybe he can actually do something to get quality masters/mixes/transfers, and improve the software (both on the player and the Pono store). Beats after all has improved their headphones so they're not total ripoffs but we'll see.

Best thing would be for them to drop Pono as a service/device, and use it as a label to indicate a quality recording (for new ones the whole chain from the recording onward, and for older recordings the transfer, mixing/mastering) and then push for Amazon and Apple to support losses digital files. But don't let it turn into a meaningless "certification" (there's some "Hi-Res" label that they've been pushing around recently and brands have been slapping that on everything they can, I noticed Audio-Technica was putting it on headphones even though that's fairly silly and meaningless).
 
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Gunbuster

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I'm looking at the Pono site tring to figure it out. Do you need a Pono device to play the files? So it's like HDTracks but completely sucky and locked into a junky single device?
 

MongGrel

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Dave from EEVBlog doesn't have a lot of nice things to say about Sony's audiophile memory cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-vbzLPwSc


:awe:

I'd think something like these make a bigger difference, haven't spent too much on IEM's.

I even still think I prefer the BrainWavz over the TTPODs most of the time.

TTPOD T1-E High Definition Dual Dynamic


http://www.amazon.com/TTPOD-Definiti...pr_product_top


Brainwavz M2 In-Ear Headphones


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Apparently they've went up a little anyways.
 
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