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Rogue

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I think what most of you fail to realize is that an officer, with good cause can articulate just about anything in a case and go the whole 9 yards with it. The law is really a guideline to go by. If this officer felt that this guy was a menace in his intoxicated state, she could have easily written up her report and gone for the gusto on this guy. He'd have to go to court with a lawyer and everything to defend himself regardless of whether or not he exceeded the legal limit that night. I tell my junior officers all the time, it's all about action vs. articulation. If you do it, or someone else does it, you had damn well better be able to articulate it and make a case for it, otherwise you'll lose every time. She proved in her SFST on scene that he was impaired. She then used breath test(s) to guage his level of intoxication which showed that he was very near the legal limit. She could have easily charged him with DUI that night, pure and simple. Instead, she didn't. She saved him countless hours and untold thousands of dollars by simply taking him in and denying him his vehicle in his state and now someone's bitching about a $30-$50 impound fee? I remember an incident where we left a DUI subject's car parked on the shoulder and sure enough, it got hit by another car that very same night. Oh, wait, I remember another time a DUI subject's car got broken into on a dark shoulder of the road and his CDs and stereo stolen out of it. Any number of other terrible things could have happened to your brother or whoever he is. Like I said previously. Chock it up to experience, shut his pie hole and tell him to get over it. There's no arguing this one. It's like telling the lottery commission that your jackpot isn't large enough.
 

IamElectro

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Millennium - so you are saying that a cop can impound cars at their discretion without allowing alternate plans to be made if they take someone off the road even when a crime hasn't been committed?

CkG

In a word... yes. The car was impounded because your brother was intoxicated and not safe to drive a motor vehicle. When a car is impounded they are typically searched and inventoried, but not always. How do you know the officer has searched it? Your brother could have been taken to jail for DUI regardless of what he blew that night. If she felt he failed the field sobriety and was a danger it is pretty much a cut and dry case for reckless driving or DUI. The fact that he blew so close to the limit would have almost certainly resulted in a conviction had he been arrested and charged. You brother is a very lucky guy and you both should count your blessings. As others have stated there are numerous reasons for why they decided to impound the car. They don't have to fvcking sit around and let your brother make arrangements. Here is a strong and cold dose of reality. You brother is VERY fvcking lucky he wasn't arrested anyway, and I find it appalling that you or him would bitch about having the car impounded. If I was the officer in question, and he failed a significant portion of the field tests, I would have used the Breathalyzer evidence, my training, and knowledge(if I was an officer) in court, because I would have certainly arrested him. Not only would I arrested him, but I would have impounded his car, searched it, and made him stay in the cell until someone came to got him.

Now... that would only happen if I sensed even the slightest attitude that you just gave. Otherwise I would impound the car and drop him off like the officer did. You are lucky your brother wasn't stupid enough to have an attitude and ruin the good will and LUCK that he was already getting.

I think you need to understand that you don't have a leg to stand on, and should really just forget about the whole incident. Everything the police officer did was well within their powers(99.9% sure) in 99.9% of all states.


Amen to that Millennium as the link I posted above stated .08% means you are getting arrested in most states and in most states if you blow above .05 its at the officers discretion how to handle it within the law arrest ride home etc.

His brother need to face the facts pay the fine and consider him self very very lucky.
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
OK, what you people seem to be dwelling on is the drinking factor but that isn't my question. I understand a cop can "take someone off the road for safety reasons" and even approve of what she did by doing so but what is wrong is that they can IMPOUND a vehicle and thus search it. Search and seizure without a crime being committed. He had no chance or option of calling someone(me) to come pick up his car. She just impounded it. He WAS NOT charged with a crime and only received a traffic ticket. My beef isn't with her taking him off the road - it's that she impounded the car when a crime was not committed. He was never "arrested" and he was never asked for his consent to have his vehicle searched. And in-fact, she didn't search his car until after she was ready to bring him to my place and the tow truck had shown up. What I am looking for is proof that a cop can seize your car(impound) it when no criminal charges were leveled against you.

Understand my question then respond.

Millennium - so you are saying that a cop can impound cars at their discretion without allowing alternate plans to be made if they take someone off the road even when a crime hasn't been committed?

CkG

I'm thinking we have a Constitutional Amendment against unlawful search & seizure, but i could be wrong.
A buddy of mine used to constantly get pulled over(especially out West) for supposed speeding or whatever minor infraction the cops said & would search his car right there on the road.
This was several years ago so i don't remember any particulars.
I'm sure it's not any better now that they can play the "national security" card if they want.

 

LunarRay

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Cad,
If in the judgment of the officer the impounding of the vehicle is in any persons best interest then impounding is a reasonable judgment for the officer to make. The more factual information may alter this opinion. My kid would impound in a moment if a someone was at .67 because they are impaired. Not illegally drunk but the privilege ends at impairment.. the impoundment occurs at the option of the officer. He may feel the person may try to drive again. There is the experience that may save a life down the road too... So I'm told.
 

falconx80

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it sucks having to pay two fees but hey no harm done right? just have to spend more money to get everything in order.

Next time, should avoid drinking and driving for the safety of your brother, yourself, me, and everyone else that are driving.

Consider very lucky he didnt goto jail.
 

MeanMeosh

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if it really were a small town, i really don't see why the officer couldn't just let him park on the side of the road AND give him a ride home. the impound really wasn't required, IMO. its not like he's gonna hike all the way out to his car to drive it back again.
 

Cyberian

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Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
if it really were a small town, i really don't see why the officer couldn't just let him park on the side of the road AND give him a ride home. the impound really wasn't required, IMO. its not like he's gonna hike all the way out to his car to drive it back again.
Incredible!

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Cad,
If in the judgment of the officer the impounding of the vehicle is in any persons best interest then impounding is a reasonable judgment for the officer to make. The more factual information may alter this opinion. My kid would impound in a moment if a someone was at .67 because they are impaired. Not illegally drunk but the privilege ends at impairment.. the impoundment occurs at the option of the officer. He may feel the person may try to drive again. There is the experience that may save a life down the road too... So I'm told.

So the cops get to decide when they can seize property? Nice, real nice.:|

That is my whole point - you people are all hung up on the drinking - get over that and look at the underlying issue. An officer searched and seized property when no crime was commited and no arrest was made. THAT is what is important. The drinking has nothing to do with it because she knew she couldn't get him for DUI because he was under the limit.
Oh and I don't give a Flying monkey's ass about what happens to my brother - what I'm concerned about is the searching and seizure that happened.

Hope the cops take your guy's stuff someday.:| You looking past the law because you think he was lucky is utterly disgusting. Cops have no right to search my property let alone seize it without there being a crime or a warrant. PERIOD.

CkG
 

Rogue

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Again, what you are failing to realize is that he was impaired and operating a potentially deadly vehicle!!! You're really starting to piss me off. Let's put this in a different perspective for a moment. You see a kid with a gun, waving it around carelessly in a crowd. Now you tell me, do you take the gun away, tell the kid that what he's doing is wrong, test his aiming skills and just fvcking give the gun back???? WTF is wrong with you? Your brother was obviously carelessly operating a deadly machine and you don't expect the officer to take away his ability to do so in his impaired state? By your standards, a kid should have to shoot someone to be able to take the gun away. Think about it.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Cad,
If in the judgment of the officer the impounding of the vehicle is in any persons best interest then impounding is a reasonable judgment for the officer to make. The more factual information may alter this opinion. My kid would impound in a moment if a someone was at .67 because they are impaired. Not illegally drunk but the privilege ends at impairment.. the impoundment occurs at the option of the officer. He may feel the person may try to drive again. There is the experience that may save a life down the road too... So I'm told.

So the cops get to decide when they can seize property? Nice, real nice.:|

That is my whole point - you people are all hung up on the drinking - get over that and look at the underlying issue. An officer searched and seized property when no crime was commited and no arrest was made. THAT is what is important. The drinking has nothing to do with it because she knew she couldn't get him for DUI because he was under the limit.
Oh and I don't give a Flying monkey's ass about what happens to my brother - what I'm concerned about is the searching and seizure that happened.

Hope the cops take your guy's stuff someday.:| You looking past the law because you think he was lucky is utterly disgusting. Cops have no right to search my property let alone seize it without there being a crime or a warrant. PERIOD.

CkG

You are missing the whole point. A crime was committed, but the officer decided not to arrest your brother. He was lucky.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Cad,
If in the judgment of the officer the impounding of the vehicle is in any persons best interest then impounding is a reasonable judgment for the officer to make. The more factual information may alter this opinion. My kid would impound in a moment if a someone was at .67 because they are impaired. Not illegally drunk but the privilege ends at impairment.. the impoundment occurs at the option of the officer. He may feel the person may try to drive again. There is the experience that may save a life down the road too... So I'm told.

So the cops get to decide when they can seize property? Nice, real nice.:|

That is my whole point - you people are all hung up on the drinking - get over that and look at the underlying issue. An officer searched and seized property when no crime was commited and no arrest was made. THAT is what is important. The drinking has nothing to do with it because she knew she couldn't get him for DUI because he was under the limit.
Oh and I don't give a Flying monkey's ass about what happens to my brother - what I'm concerned about is the searching and seizure that happened.

Hope the cops take your guy's stuff someday.:| You looking past the law because you think he was lucky is utterly disgusting. Cops have no right to search my property let alone seize it without there being a crime or a warrant. PERIOD.

CkG

CAD,
The central issue is : Can an officer order an individual to cease diving their vehicle. Impounding the vehicle must be see as a consequence of the ability aforementioned. If in the judgment of the officer the individual or citizenry at large are in jeopardy as a result of the individual's incapacity to safely operate the vehicle the officer has a duty to eliminate that condition. He could not arrest the individual beyond the ticket so the next best thing is to eliminate the object of the condition from the picture... on a temp basis.. and the officer did this and perhaps someone or some property was saved.. perhaps not... but, that is not the question.. is it.

 

tnitsuj

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CadKindofGuy,
Police are not generally in the habit of letting drunks make other arrangements for thier cars. I saw a training officer once make the mistake of letting a DWI leave his car rather than calling for a wrecker. 1 hour later, the car was in a MVA with injuries as his drunk friends had gone back and gotten it. How was the police officer to know he wasn't going to come back in twenty minutes and get the car? Police officers will often tow a car even if it is legally parked after a DWI. Would you let a bank robber keep his gun? You just aren't getting it. It is the police officers discretion, and thier duty to remove an unsafe driver from the road. Taking the car is a damn good way to do that. Your BROTHER IS VERY VERY LUCKY.

I think perhaps a DWI, 2k in court costs, raised or dropped insurance, and only being able to drive to work and back for 6 months might have been a better lesson. Get over it, and learn from it.

BTW, inventory searches and search incident to arrest have been upheld in much case law. Look it up.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Rogue
Again, what you are failing to realize is that he was impaired and operating a potentially deadly vehicle!!! You're really starting to piss me off. Let's put this in a different perspective for a moment. You see a kid with a gun, waving it around carelessly in a crowd. Now you tell me, do you take the gun away, tell the kid that what he's doing is wrong, test his aiming skills and just fvcking give the gun back???? WTF is wrong with you? Your brother was obviously carelessly operating a deadly machine and you don't expect the officer to take away his ability to do so in his impaired state? By your standards, a kid should have to shoot someone to be able to take the gun away. Think about it.

No - YOU are missing the point. I don't have a problem with the officer not letting him drive. Get that through your head. What I have a problem with is that when NO crime has been commited that an officer can search and seize property. Iowa law doesn't prohibit driving as long as you are under the "limit". The gun analogy doesn't work because we have gun laws that address public possesion of firearms and their use. We also have laws about driving and intoxication.

Millennium - a crime was not commited. A traffic violation was commited but under Iowa state law driving at the level my brother was - is NOT a crime, but again - that isn't my point.

tnitsuj - YOU aren't getting it - he didn't commit the crime of DUI according to Iowa law. Iowa law was changed from .1 to .08 to keep "dangerous drunks" off the road
. He wasn't at that PREDETERMINED ACCEPTABLE LEGAL limit and therefore commited NO crime.

Luny- like the rest of the nanny staters you miss the point. Removing him from the road isn't in question. SEIZING the property is. There was no chance for him to get someone to remove the vehicle - she just took it. She dropped him off at my house - who's to say that he couldn't have taken one of my cars(or one of his other cars) and gone back out on the road? Hmmm...

Yes people, I understand he was "lucky" and that the cop could have been a bigger ass in this situation, but the fact is that she impounded a person's vehicle who had not commited a CRIME. "public safety" doesn't work in this argument because, like I said - I am not disputing her taking him off the road - the problem is the siezure without a crime. Provided carrying a loaded gun in public was legal(without a permit) I would support the cop removing the potential harm, but siezing the property without an option to voluntarily remove it is wrong unless a crime was commited.

CkG
 

Mill

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Jesus christ you are dense. He did commit a crime in my eyes, but he officer used discretion and didn't arrest him. I have no doubt that he was DUI if he failed the field sobriety test. Just because he wasn't technically arrested doesn't give you the right to think his property was "seized." The car was impounded for the safety of all(the public, the officer, and your brother) and you can go get it out of impound the next day. You may not like it, but the officer has the power to do something in the best interests of society.

You are still missing the point that your car can be impounded by the police for tons of things. Reckless driving and some ticketable offenses(such as street racing) can result in the car being impounded as well. Driving drunk(your brother was driving drunk) is as good a reason as I would need. Cops don't make or interpret the law. They enforce it and use their discretion to decide whether or not they want to make an arrest. If you really have a problem with it file a complaint, but don't ever expect your brother to get another break from that department.

You just can't admit he was wrong and the officer was right. If she wanted to fvck him over she could have given him the DUI. The police are under NO obligation to make other arrangements for moving a motor vehicle. Their only obligation is public safety, and they did what they saw fit. Everything was done by the book and you are proving to be a whining bitch.
 

LunarRay

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CADdyWumpus,
Luny- like the rest of the nanny staters you miss the point. Removing him from the road isn't in question. SEIZING the property is. There was no chance for him to get someone to remove the vehicle - she just took it. She dropped him off at my house - who's to say that he couldn't have taken one of my cars(or one of his other cars) and gone back out on the road? Hmmm
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Well it seems reason is out of the picture. The officer did do what the officer did do... file a complaint. If this was a judgment call then that is what the officer is paid for to make; judgments! If it turns out he/she was proper in application of his/her judgment in this case then there it is. Or alternatively, there it is...
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Jesus christ you are dense. He did commit a crime in my eyes, but he officer used discretion and didn't arrest him. I have no doubt that he was DUI if he failed the field sobriety test. Just because he wasn't technically arrested doesn't give you the right to think his property was "seized." The car was impounded for the safety of all(the public, the officer, and your brother) and you can go get it out of impound the next day. You may not like it, but the officer has the power to do something in the best interests of society.

You are still missing the point that your car can be impounded by the police for tons of things. Reckless driving and some ticketable offenses(such as street racing) can result in the car being impounded as well. Driving drunk(your brother was driving drunk) is as good a reason as I would need. Cops don't make or interpret the law. They enforce it and use their discretion to decide whether or not they want to make an arrest. If you really have a problem with it file a complaint, but don't ever expect your brother to get another break from that department.

You just can't admit he was wrong and the officer was right. If she wanted to fvck him over she could have given him the DUI. The police are under NO obligation to make other arrangements for moving a motor vehicle. Their only obligation is public safety, and they did what they saw fit. Everything was done by the book and you are proving to be a whining bitch.

No - you are the whining bitch. If you wish to have things siezed without you commiting a crime then go ahead and keep "feeling" the way you do. If the cop truely was looking of for "public" safety she would have tried to take him downtown and book him for DUI to keep him off the street. You are right - cops don't make of interpret the law - so why did they impound(seize) the car? If someone can show me where it says that a cop can impound a vehicle when only a minor traffic violation has occured then I will accept that and will go through the proper proceedures to get that law changed, but up to this point all that is getting spewed here is nanny-state BS. My brother wasn't "kept off" the streets - infact, as I said, he could have just hopped into a different vehicle and been a "danger to society"


You people are amazing.

CkG
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Millennium
Jesus christ you are dense. He did commit a crime in my eyes, but he officer used discretion and didn't arrest him. I have no doubt that he was DUI if he failed the field sobriety test. Just because he wasn't technically arrested doesn't give you the right to think his property was "seized." The car was impounded for the safety of all(the public, the officer, and your brother) and you can go get it out of impound the next day. You may not like it, but the officer has the power to do something in the best interests of society.

You are still missing the point that your car can be impounded by the police for tons of things. Reckless driving and some ticketable offenses(such as street racing) can result in the car being impounded as well. Driving drunk(your brother was driving drunk) is as good a reason as I would need. Cops don't make or interpret the law. They enforce it and use their discretion to decide whether or not they want to make an arrest. If you really have a problem with it file a complaint, but don't ever expect your brother to get another break from that department.

You just can't admit he was wrong and the officer was right. If she wanted to fvck him over she could have given him the DUI. The police are under NO obligation to make other arrangements for moving a motor vehicle. Their only obligation is public safety, and they did what they saw fit. Everything was done by the book and you are proving to be a whining bitch.

No - you are the whining bitch. If you wish to have things siezed without you commiting a crime then go ahead and keep "feeling" the way you do. If the cop truely was looking of for "public" safety she would have tried to take him downtown and book him for DUI to keep him off the street. You are right - cops don't make of interpret the law - so why did they impound(seize) the car? If someone can show me where it says that a cop can impound a vehicle when only a minor traffic violation has occured then I will accept that and will go through the proper proceedures to get that law changed, but up to this point all that is getting spewed here is nanny-state BS. My brother wasn't "kept off" the streets - infact, as I said, he could have just hopped into a different vehicle and been a "danger to society"


You people are amazing.

CkG

You are right. If the officer felt she should take way the car, she should have locked him up. But what you don't get is that we have given our police officers discretion, as well as the power to impound vehicles if that is in the interest of public safety. An actual crime does not have to be committed or in you rinterpretation chrages filed. Police do things like that all the time. I don't know the laws in your state, municipality but I am sure thier is something in the criminal or traffic code giving the officer the authority to take such action.

Why don't you file a complaint and see how far your argument gets you? I would be interested to hear the results.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Millennium
Jesus christ you are dense. He did commit a crime in my eyes, but he officer used discretion and didn't arrest him. I have no doubt that he was DUI if he failed the field sobriety test. Just because he wasn't technically arrested doesn't give you the right to think his property was "seized." The car was impounded for the safety of all(the public, the officer, and your brother) and you can go get it out of impound the next day. You may not like it, but the officer has the power to do something in the best interests of society.

You are still missing the point that your car can be impounded by the police for tons of things. Reckless driving and some ticketable offenses(such as street racing) can result in the car being impounded as well. Driving drunk(your brother was driving drunk) is as good a reason as I would need. Cops don't make or interpret the law. They enforce it and use their discretion to decide whether or not they want to make an arrest. If you really have a problem with it file a complaint, but don't ever expect your brother to get another break from that department.

You just can't admit he was wrong and the officer was right. If she wanted to fvck him over she could have given him the DUI. The police are under NO obligation to make other arrangements for moving a motor vehicle. Their only obligation is public safety, and they did what they saw fit. Everything was done by the book and you are proving to be a whining bitch.

No - you are the whining bitch. If you wish to have things siezed without you commiting a crime then go ahead and keep "feeling" the way you do. If the cop truely was looking of for "public" safety she would have tried to take him downtown and book him for DUI to keep him off the street. You are right - cops don't make of interpret the law - so why did they impound(seize) the car? If someone can show me where it says that a cop can impound a vehicle when only a minor traffic violation has occured then I will accept that and will go through the proper proceedures to get that law changed, but up to this point all that is getting spewed here is nanny-state BS. My brother wasn't "kept off" the streets - infact, as I said, he could have just hopped into a different vehicle and been a "danger to society"


You people are amazing.

CkG

You are right. If the officer felt she should take way the car, she should have locked him up. But what you don't get is that we have given our police officers discretion, as well as the power to impound vehicles if that is in the interest of public safety. An actual crime does not have to be committed. Police do things like that all the time. I don't know the laws in your state, municipality but I am sure thier is something in the criminal or traffic code giving the officer the authority to take such action.

Why don't you file a complaint and see how far your argument gets you? I would be interested to hear the results.

What I highlighted was exactly the point of this thread. Where did this cop get her "right" to sieze my brother's car when only a minor traffic violation had occured. Notice that people have made this into an alcohol issue instead of a seizure issue that I originally asked about. My original question was "Is there law or precidence for impounding cars when only a minor traffic ticket was issued?" The whole alcohol question is out the window unless there is legal precedence which I was asking for. I wasn't asking for people's opinion and feelings.

CkG
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Millennium
Jesus christ you are dense. He did commit a crime in my eyes, but he officer used discretion and didn't arrest him. I have no doubt that he was DUI if he failed the field sobriety test. Just because he wasn't technically arrested doesn't give you the right to think his property was "seized." The car was impounded for the safety of all(the public, the officer, and your brother) and you can go get it out of impound the next day. You may not like it, but the officer has the power to do something in the best interests of society.

You are still missing the point that your car can be impounded by the police for tons of things. Reckless driving and some ticketable offenses(such as street racing) can result in the car being impounded as well. Driving drunk(your brother was driving drunk) is as good a reason as I would need. Cops don't make or interpret the law. They enforce it and use their discretion to decide whether or not they want to make an arrest. If you really have a problem with it file a complaint, but don't ever expect your brother to get another break from that department.

You just can't admit he was wrong and the officer was right. If she wanted to fvck him over she could have given him the DUI. The police are under NO obligation to make other arrangements for moving a motor vehicle. Their only obligation is public safety, and they did what they saw fit. Everything was done by the book and you are proving to be a whining bitch.

No - you are the whining bitch. If you wish to have things siezed without you commiting a crime then go ahead and keep "feeling" the way you do. If the cop truely was looking of for "public" safety she would have tried to take him downtown and book him for DUI to keep him off the street. You are right - cops don't make of interpret the law - so why did they impound(seize) the car? If someone can show me where it says that a cop can impound a vehicle when only a minor traffic violation has occured then I will accept that and will go through the proper proceedures to get that law changed, but up to this point all that is getting spewed here is nanny-state BS. My brother wasn't "kept off" the streets - infact, as I said, he could have just hopped into a different vehicle and been a "danger to society"


You people are amazing.

CkG

You are right. If the officer felt she should take way the car, she should have locked him up. But what you don't get is that we have given our police officers discretion, as well as the power to impound vehicles if that is in the interest of public safety. An actual crime does not have to be committed. Police do things like that all the time. I don't know the laws in your state, municipality but I am sure thier is something in the criminal or traffic code giving the officer the authority to take such action.

Why don't you file a complaint and see how far your argument gets you? I would be interested to hear the results.

What I highlighted was exactly the point of this thread. Where did this cop get her "right" to sieze my brother's car when only a minor traffic violation had occured. Notice that people have made this into an alcohol issue instead of a seizure issue that I originally asked about. My original question was "Is there law or precidence for impounding cars when only a minor traffic ticket was issued?" The whole alcohol question is out the window unless there is legal precedence which I was asking for. I wasn't asking for people's opinion and feelings.

CkG


What state are you in?
 

Rogue

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Don't listen to a cop or two telling you exactly why she did it and why she was justified. NO! We don't know $hit. You're all knowing in this matter, right? I guess you should have never asked the question since you already knew the answer.

I will say one more time that she did the public a service, no matter what you want to think. Leaving the vehicle on the side of the road is a traffic hazard first and foremost and most departments have a policy against leaving vehicles parked on the side of the road for any period of time. Leaving the vehicle where the intoxicated owner knows where it is, regardless of his level of intoxication according to the breath test, puts people at risk. I guarantee you that he would have wanted to go straight back to his car, but I don't doubt that you'd prevent that, because you know everything about the law already, so you would have stepped in, right? Third, perhaps the vehicle was better removed to prevent any number of damages, break ins or vandalisms that may have occured over night. You seem to be unwilling to see the benefits here. There was a reason, whether you like it or not. He was intoxicated, period, end of discussion. He was so intoxicated that drove through a stop sign which could have killed someone, failed the SFST in the field and his BAC was still on the rise when she put him on the breathalyzer, but she had no fvcking cause for taking his vehicle away for the night????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! My gun analogy was spot on, whether you want to see it or not. There are rules and laws governing vehicles too and that rule is that it's a privledge to drive, a privledge your brother took for granted. A privledge that could have killed someone that night, but you can't see that, can you?

Now, after some research, I found the following, which hopefully will shut you up once and for all, although I doubt it.

321J.2 Operating while under the influence of alcohol or a drug or while having an alcohol concentration of .10 or more (OWI).
1. A person commits the offense of operating while intoxicated if the person operates a motor vehicle in this state in any of the following conditions:

a. While under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or other drug or a combination of such substances.

b. While having an alcohol concentration of .10 or more.

c. While any amount of a controlled substance is present in the person, as measured in the person's blood or urine.

2. A person who violates subsection 1 commits:

a. A serious misdemeanor for the first offense, punishable by all of the following:

(1) Imprisonment in the county jail for not less than forty-eight hours, to be served as ordered by the court, less credit for any time the person was confined in a jail or detention facility following arrest. However, the court, in ordering service of the sentence and in its discretion, may accommodate the defendant's work schedule.

(2) Assessment of a fine of one thousand dollars. However, in the discretion of the court, if no personal or property injury has resulted from the defendant's actions, the court may waive up to five hundred dollars of the fine when the defendant presents to the court at the end of the minimum period of ineligibility, a temporary restricted license issued pursuant to 321J.20. As an alternative to a portion or all of the fine, the court may order the person to perform unpaid community service.

(3) Revocation of the person's driver's license pursuant to section 321J.4, subsection 1, section 321J.9, or section 321J.12, which includes a minimum revocation period of one hundred eighty days, including a minimum period of ineligibility for a temporary restricted license of thirty days, and may involve a revocation period of one year.

(4) Assignment to substance abuse evaluation and treatment, a course for drinking drivers, and, if available and appropriate, a reality education substance abuse prevention program pursuant to subsection 3.

Note the bolded use of the word any above. That means that by the state law as of 2001, your brother was legally DUI and she proved it. Note again that it says any of the following conditions, of which your brother was PROVEN to be a. While under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or other drug or a combination of such substances, right? Now, all told, she probably had his car towed as a lesson to him, if not for every other reason I've mentioned above.

Here's the link to Iowa's DUI law so you can read it for yourself. I'm guessing that she decided not to throw him in the slammer and took "remedial legal action" on him by taking his car away for the night. Your insistence, however, that he did not break the law is false. He in fact committed a misdemeanor (rolling through the stop sign) and a serious misdemeanor (DUI) that night. So stop saying he didn't break the law, he did, he just wasn't charged with it.

See also:

321.356 Officers authorized to remove.
Whenever any peace officer finds a vehicle standing upon a highway in violation of any of the foregoing provisions of sections 321.354 and 321.355 such officer is hereby authorized to move such vehicle, or require the driver or other person in charge of the vehicle to move the same, to a position off the paved or improved or main traveled part of such highway.

Looks to me, by my research, that the officer did exactly what she was permitted to do within the constraints of the law. It is dependant upon where he in fact was pulled over/stopped his vehicle and I'm going to assume that it was inviolation of Section 321.354 of Iowa state law and that's why she had the vehicle removed.

To finish, I think you have been summarily pwned in this reply and you can shut your pie hole now. Next time, do your own damn research!
 

tnitsuj

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I think I love you Rogue.....but I don't think he gets it.

BTW: OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!
 

tnitsuj

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Now that it has been so laborously spelled out for you in black and white, do you get it? Especially the part about not having to be charged to commit a crime. I tried to point that out earlier.
 

Rogue

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It took 15 minutes of my time to prove an idiot wrong, but it was worth it. Now I just have to come down off this high so I can get some sleep. I'm patiently waiting for his next assinine rebuttal to the bold faced facts I presented.

After all. You're dealing with the only MP I know that has all the Kansas state vehicle statutes in PDF format on his PocketPC and pulls it out and uses it on traffic stops. Yeah, that's me!
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Rogue
It took 15 minutes of my time to prove an idiot wrong, but it was worth it. Now I just have to come down off this high so I can get some sleep. I'm patiently waiting for his next assinine rebuttal to the bold faced facts I presented.

After all. You're dealing with the only MP I know that has all the Kansas state vehicle statutes in PDF format on his PocketPC and pulls it out and uses it on traffic stops. Yeah, that's me!

I have to admit, that's pretty damn Squirrelly.
 

Rogue

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Yeah, but I know damn good and well what I'm pulling them over for and why. I also use the elements of the offense as written in the statute to write the synopsis on the back of the ticket. The tickets we right have a narrative block on the back that JAG requires us to be very detailed on. We can't just say, "I observed the vehicle fail to stop at the posted sign" and leave it at that. We have to include the date/time (even though it's also on the front of the ticket), vehicle description (year, make, model, color, specific details such as rims, etc.), offense committed and how/where in detail, etc. If we don't include that information, often times the ticket is thrown out of court if the judge feels it's incomplete. I just got in the habit of ensuring that my tickets were written to the letter of the law, that's all.
 
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