Yet another Ebay thread

[AaronB]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Sure, call it what you want as long as it doesn't violate any rules and is displayed in the auction listing.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

That would make me not bid on the auction. In fact I think the OP should've done just that to avoid the crap he has to deal with now.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: KK
"otherwise, I am not taking paypal."

He's not taking paypal, whats so hard to understand about this?

Easy, if his auction says he accepts paypal, then regardless of whatever other qualifier he puts on it, he is stuck accepting it or taking negative feedback.

 

[KarenMarie]

if the seller has a paypal logo in his auction, he cannot ask for the fees. if he has a single line in his auction that states that he does not take paypal unless the buyer pays the fees... i dont see what the big deal is. it is not like he is saying that you MUST pay with paypal and pay the fees.

did you pay for the auction before or after you knew he would only take it if you paid the fees?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: KK
"otherwise, I am not taking paypal."

He's not taking paypal, whats so hard to understand about this?

Easy, if his auction says he accepts paypal, then regardless of whatever other qualifier he puts on it, he is stuck accepting it or taking negative feedback.

Or

Either you pay using another method or accept what he is asking. What is the big problem with paying a small % to cover the crap charges. In all honesty, without trying to rip anyone off. If it is mentioned in the auction, and you don't like it, why the hell would you bid on it?? That is stupidity on your own part, and don't complain about it afterwards, when you knew ahead of time what was involved!

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
if the seller has a paypal logo in his auction, he cannot ask for the fees. if he has a single line in his auction that states that he does not take paypal unless the buyer pays the fees... i dont see what the big deal is. it is not like he is saying that you MUST pay with paypal and pay the fees.

did you pay for the auction before or after you knew he would only take it if you paid the fees?

I do follow your reasoning here, but I think it is in direct violation of Paypal's TOS and wouldn't stand up.

 

[AaronB]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
if the seller has a paypal logo in his auction, he cannot ask for the fees. if he has a single line in his auction that states that he does not take paypal unless the buyer pays the fees... i dont see what the big deal is. it is not like he is saying that you MUST pay with paypal and pay the fees.

did you pay for the auction before or after you knew he would only take it if you paid the fees?

Before. And while I don't think it changes anything, that is a good question. (I read all I thought I needed to read about the item I was buying. I didn't think I needed to look to see if the guy was charging additional fees for paypal)

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

What I don't understand is everybody's sympathy to big companies. Everybody always cries about people downloading pirated music which screws the RIAA, people downloading pirated movies which screws the motion picture association. DO you people even work for these companies. Jesus man, it looks like a lot of these people have no problem throwing out money for stupid principles.

Point being, if you don't like something don't buy it! If people want to sell stuff, for a higher price, whether it be a higher shipping cost, a higher handling cost, or a higher buy it now cost. DON'T BUY IT if you are gonna complain afterwards that you don't wanna pay those higher costs!

 

[AaronB]

Link to auction posted in OP.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

What I don't understand is everybody's sympathy to big companies. Everybody always cries about people downloading pirated music which screws the RIAA, people downloading pirated movies which screws the motion picture association. DO you people even work for these companies. Jesus man, it looks like a lot of these people have no problem throwing out money for stupid principles.

Point being, if you don't like something don't buy it! If people want to sell stuff, for a higher price, whether it be a higher shipping cost, a higher handling cost, or a higher buy it now cost. DON'T BUY IT if you are gonna complain afterwards that you don't wanna pay those higher costs!

The thing is, by using these big corporation's systems, you expressly agree to abide by their terms. If you don't want to play by their rules, you can find another way to do business.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

From the auction (oy, talk about beautiful...":

" This seller, cly1997, prefers PayPal."

"Paypal =è Paypal will charge a small amount of fee to use their system; I don?t want to responsible for this fee, if you want to use Paypal, please aware of this fee; otherwise, I am not taking paypal."

Done deal, right there. He even blatantly says in his item description that he doesn't want to be responsible for the fee. Doesn't matter what he wrote, he prefers paypal, meaning he's gonna eat the fee.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

What I don't understand is everybody's sympathy to big companies. Everybody always cries about people downloading pirated music which screws the RIAA, people downloading pirated movies which screws the motion picture association. DO you people even work for these companies. Jesus man, it looks like a lot of these people have no problem throwing out money for stupid principles.

Point being, if you don't like something don't buy it! If people want to sell stuff, for a higher price, whether it be a higher shipping cost, a higher handling cost, or a higher buy it now cost. DON'T BUY IT if you are gonna complain afterwards that you don't wanna pay those higher costs!

The thing is, by using these big corporation's systems, you expressly agree to abide by their terms. If you don't want to play by their rules, you can find another way to do business.

So the rule is what? You cannot charge additional fees? Additional fees for paypal? or what. If I sell an item on ebay. They get their money, paypal gets their money, and any additional handling fees I MENTION in the auction, I am entitled to, am I not? Or should I just overcharge for shipping to make up lost costs?

It's plain BS one way or another. It's just how you word it that you will be able to get away with it.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

What I don't understand is everybody's sympathy to big companies. Everybody always cries about people downloading pirated music which screws the RIAA, people downloading pirated movies which screws the motion picture association. DO you people even work for these companies. Jesus man, it looks like a lot of these people have no problem throwing out money for stupid principles.

Point being, if you don't like something don't buy it! If people want to sell stuff, for a higher price, whether it be a higher shipping cost, a higher handling cost, or a higher buy it now cost. DON'T BUY IT if you are gonna complain afterwards that you don't wanna pay those higher costs!

Every post you make just makes you look more of a retard.

What is so hard to understand? OP is not complaining about a handling fee or high shiping charges. He is complaining about something that is not in agreement with Paypal's TOS. As a seller, you cannot state that an addition 3% or whatever % must be added if paying by paypal. It is AGAINST PAYPAL'S TOS.

Yes, you can say handling fee of $xxx or x%, but you can't say it's mentioned for paypal fees. Since the seller said that the fee was for paypal, the OP does not need to pay for it. It doesn't matter if the OP stated the paypal additional charge, it is clearly against Paypal TOS.

Also, your claim of ppl being sympathetic to a big nasty company doesn't make sense. So what if the OP decides to pay the extra %, now the buyer is out extra money. If he doesn't pay it, the seller is out that %. Either way you look at it, Paypal will win. So what would you rather have as the buyer? Of course you wouldn't want to pay more.

Yeesh, it's not that hard to understand 'envy me'.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
From the auction (oy, talk about beautiful...":

" This seller, cly1997, prefers PayPal."

"Paypal =è Paypal will charge a small amount of fee to use their system; I don?t want to responsible for this fee, if you want to use Paypal, please aware of this fee; otherwise, I am not taking paypal."

Done deal, right there. He even blatantly says in his item description that he doesn't want to be responsible for the fee. Doesn't matter what he wrote, he prefers paypal, meaning he's gonna eat the fee.

Doesn't preferring paypal mean accepting paypal?

 

[KarenMarie]

after viewing the auction, i will reversing my opinion.

he clearly show a paypal logo in his auction. in order to use that logo, he must abide by ALL of paypal's terms. and one of the biggest is not charging a fee. his disclaimer on not taking paypal unless the buyer pays the fee is in direct violation.

and $20. for shipping.... !!???screw him, the greedy bastage.

anyway, email him and tell him that you have paid all the money you are going to.... and make sure you take a screen shot of that auction. cause if he sends your payment back, you will need proof when you complain to ebay.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AaronB
My tentative reply:
Regardless of what your auction states, Ebay/Paypal does not allow an additional fee to be assesed in the use of Paypal for payment. You can either ship the item that I won and paid for or I will post negative feedback and alert Ebay/Paypal about your auction(s) that are in violation of their rules.

This will be my only communication on this subject.

I don't think you need to say much more than this. Perfectly written. You can't charge extra for paypal. And don't post BS about reasonable handling fees, he explicitely says the extra fees are to pay for paypal.

Ok so... what is the paypal fee 3%?? 4%?? whatever it is. If I were to sell an item and charge a 3% or 4% handling fee (NOT a paypal fee just handling) would that make you happier?

Yep, though it would likely have to be a fixed fee, rather than a %, which would start getting into violation of ebay's rule of trying to get out of paying their fees.

What I don't understand is everybody's sympathy to big companies. Everybody always cries about people downloading pirated music which screws the RIAA, people downloading pirated movies which screws the motion picture association. DO you people even work for these companies. Jesus man, it looks like a lot of these people have no problem throwing out money for stupid principles.

Point being, if you don't like something don't buy it! If people want to sell stuff, for a higher price, whether it be a higher shipping cost, a higher handling cost, or a higher buy it now cost. DON'T BUY IT if you are gonna complain afterwards that you don't wanna pay those higher costs!

Every post you make just makes you look more of a retard.

What is so hard to understand? OP is not complaining about a handling fee or high shiping charges. He is complaining about something that is not in agreement with Paypal's TOS. As a seller, you cannot state that an addition 3% or whatever % must be added if paying by paypal. It is AGAINST PAYPAL'S TOS.

Yes, you can say handling fee of $xxx or x%, but you can't say it's mentioned for paypal fees. Since the seller said that the fee was for paypal, the OP does not need to pay for it. It doesn't matter if the OP stated the paypal additional charge, it is clearly against Paypal TOS.

Also, your claim of ppl being sympathetic to a big nasty company doesn't make sense. So what if the OP decides to pay the extra %, now the buyer is out extra money. If he doesn't pay it, the seller is out that %. Either way you look at it, Paypal will win. So what would you rather have as the buyer? Of course you wouldn't want to pay more.

Yeesh, it's not that hard to understand 'envy me'.

Ok fine and dandy.. I agree with you... The seller should have just said the fee was for handling instead of paypal and this whole thread would not have existed. The money would still have been lost by the buyer, and gained by the seller and none of these posts would have been made.

 

[Lucky]

"What is the big problem with paying a small % to cover the crap charges"


just like i dont want to pay a fee for using my CC at walgreens (and just like they cannot charge a fee), i don't want to pay one for using paypal on ebay. simple as that.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"What is the big problem with paying a small % to cover the crap charges"


just like i dont want to pay a fee for using my CC at walgreens (and just like they cannot charge a fee), i don't want to pay one for using paypal on ebay. simple as that.

Whats the difference in gas stations charging more for gas if you use credit card than if you used cash?

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"What is the big problem with paying a small % to cover the crap charges"


just like i dont want to pay a fee for using my CC at walgreens (and just like they cannot charge a fee), i don't want to pay one for using paypal on ebay. simple as that.

Then don't buy from that seller.... What is the big deal??? Pay $20 or $30 more for the same item from another seller that doesn't ask for those charges.

 

[iamtrout]

kill him.

 

[AaronB]

I sent the message BTW.

As far as this being a hassle, I don't think it is. The worst that can happen is that my money gets refunded and I bid on another camera. The guy may be stupid but his feedback indicates that he is honest.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
From the auction (oy, talk about beautiful...":

" This seller, cly1997, prefers PayPal."

"Paypal =è Paypal will charge a small amount of fee to use their system; I don?t want to responsible for this fee, if you want to use Paypal, please aware of this fee; otherwise, I am not taking paypal."

Done deal, right there. He even blatantly says in his item description that he doesn't want to be responsible for the fee. Doesn't matter what he wrote, he prefers paypal, meaning he's gonna eat the fee.

Doesn't preferring paypal mean accepting paypal?

Yeah, his auction says he accepts paypal. His added disclaimer doesn't do jack.

The Paypal TOS say that you can't add a surcharge for accepting paypal. Chalk it up as the cost of convenience. In return for getting your money all nifty and quick, you pay a fee. You are using their service and infrastructure. You should get that for free?

If there is a handling fee, it has to be for any payment method. Then the only constraint is whether it is reasonable or not. $40 to ship a memory card, for example, would fall under the "trying to avoid ebay fees" probably 99.9% of the time.

 

[AaronB]

Oh, and I will definitely keep this updated.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I should give you negative feedback