Yet another game developer driven out of her home by internet misogynists

[ThinClient]

It's good that a false flag was exposed for what it is but that doesn't mean that they all. For the most part, no one knows anything about the people sending these threats, much less their motivation. Assuming they're fake isn't really better than assuming they're part of a larger organized hate movement.

It's actually been determined that a group called Goon Swarm who originally hails from SomethingAwful is responsible for goading both sides, largely responsible for the vast majority of these "death threats" and other stupid antics.

Yes, the same Goon Swarm from Eve.

 

[blake0812]

It's actually been determined that a group called Goon Swarm who originally hails from SomethingAwful is responsible for goading both sides, largely responsible for the vast majority of these "death threats" and other stupid antics.

Yes, the same Goon Swarm from Eve.

Did you see the tweets Mike Cernovich received a couple of days ago? Someone doxxed him and his fiance. When told that she (the doxxer) would be sued, she linked to her "lawyers" email: a SA account.

 

[ThinClient]

Did you see the tweets Mike Cernovich received a couple of days ago? Someone doxxed him and his fiance. When told that she (the doxxer) would be sued, she linked to her "lawyers" email: a SA account.

Yeah, but ol' Mike is the male equivalent of Sarsleezyan. He really is a sh**bag.

 

[blake0812]

Yeah, but ol' Mike is the male equivalent of Sarsleezyan. He really is a sh**bag.

Doesn't make the point that there's third parties in it null. Shit bag or not we know that SA goons are the ones that are doxxing people on both sides.

 

[ThinClient]

 

[schneiderguy]

Sarkeesian was on Colbert Report tonight.

http://www.themarysue.com/watch-anita-sarkeesian-colbert-segment/

Predictably, Colbert gets the story wrong and Sarkeesian can't name a single video game besides Grand Theft Auto.

 

[ThinClient]

Sarkeesian was on Colbert Report tonight.

http://www.themarysue.com/watch-anita-sarkeesian-colbert-segment/

Predictably, Colbert gets the story wrong and Sarkeesian can't name a single video game besides Grand Theft Auto.

I'd paint her face with my ghost once or twice, though, before kicking her out without cab fare. Jesus.

 

[coloumb]

Sarkeesian was on Colbert Report tonight.

http://www.themarysue.com/watch-anita-sarkeesian-colbert-segment/

Predictably, Colbert gets the story wrong and Sarkeesian can't name a single video game besides Grand Theft Auto.

I walked away with the impression that Colbert thinks she's a joke and doesn't like what she stands for [I could see he was holding back his "wtf is wrong with you?" smirk].

 

[Grooveriding]

He almost had her pinned when he asked why isn't it reasonable to have games for both interests rather than having gaming en masse change to satisfy her narrative. She fumbled out of it though. If he had pressed there he would of toppled her apple cart, because that is what she pushes in her videos; that gaming needs changing across the board to provide content clean of what she deems wrong.

That is the crux of where her crusade will fall apart. You can't expect content to change universally when it affects the bottom line. We've been watching TV, advertising and films that have the things she complains about for years and it's not going anywhere. Same story in gaming. I can't imagine what it's like to have such a losing horse as your crusade and be so entrenched and delusional about the possible outcome of the race.

They should go out and see what sort of success they'll reap trying to source capital backing from publishers for the content they deem appropriate and see what sort of success they have in the industry. :sneaky: It's Steam Greenlight fodder, and that's where it'll stay.

 

[Blue_Max]

I walked away with the impression that Colbert thinks she's a joke and doesn't like what she stands for [I could see he was holding back his "wtf is wrong with you?" smirk].

Did you hear the women screaming for her from the audience? "I didn't know you brought a posse!" :twisted:

Go Colbert!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The most prominent critic of gamergate goes on a popular cable show with an audience of millions, the vast majority of whom have NEVER heard of this controversy before and will only learn of it through the lens of its most prominent critic, and the beloved presenter gets her to tell how she was threatened with the worst school shooting in history, plus discusses the controversy with language that invokes ideas of segregation (separate but equal gaming).... and proponents of gamergate are chalking this up as a win? The movement has been absolutely excoriated in the mainstream "non-gaming" media, such as the New York Times, or Time Magazine, or Newsweek, and now the Colbert Report. But at least you've got the misogynists at ROK and the racists at Stormfront on your side. And you can argue the facts all you want; in the court of public perception (with people who largely don't care about video games in the slightest), the movement has been firmly established as anti-woman. That doesn't work to your benefit at any point. Because once you get branded a hate group, it becomes very easy for advertisers to dismiss your claims, regardless of their validity.

The funniest thing about all this is the sheer level of vitriol that Sarkeesian elicits in some people is the only reason she has a platform at all. Most of us can hear her claims and say, "No, I don't agree with that," and let it go (like Andrew Sullivan does here). It's the people who have gone crazy every time she talks, with threats and borderline-psychopathic rage, that has gotten anyone to take the time to listen to her at all. In that regard, the misogynists who have aligned with gamergate (or trolls if you want to claim they don't represent you, even though everyone else in the media assumes they do and you aren't disavowing yourself of them) are only helping bolster the claims of Sarkeesian. If there are no threats against Sarkeesian (or other women), she never gets to go on the Colbert Report and tell the world exactly what's wrong with gamergate. Instead, yet another mainstream media outlet falls into the "these are just a bunch of misogynists" camp and your argument gets a little bit harder to defend in the court of public opinion.

 

[ThinClient]

Advertisers aren't dismissing claims, they're full on pulling out of Kotaku and other sites who are guilty of the original issue: journalistic integrity.

All this man-vs-woman horse**** is a side battle, a conjured distraction that isn't at all a reasonable representation of reality.

Sarsleezyan wants video games she doesn't like to be unmade. She's not developing games for women by women, she's fully intending to disrupt games made by men for men.

This is nothing more than a competition competition. She's jealous of the looks of the women in video games and the attention that men give to games instead of her in the same way that women compete with each other for the only thing that satisfies them: attention. Welp, if she were less of a c*** then maybe she'd get more attention.

I would celebrate if she fell off a cliff.

 

[gorcorps]

Why hasn't this been moved to P&N? This has absolutely nothing to do with gaming.

Yup. I'd prefer this conversation not take place at all, even though I feel like I'm solidly on the "winning" side. This topic would crash and burn so fast in P&N that we wouldn't have to deal with it at all. Here in a forum where there's (supposedly) no name calling, it just drags on and on.

This is a forum about gaming, specifically PC games. This thread is one side talking about Internet nutjobs and the other talking about people who talk about Internet nutjobs.

Mods, please take this thread away.

Is AT really full of people who have so little self control that they HAVE to continue to click on a thread that they already know they don't want to read or participate in? Stop reading the threads you aren't interested in. I don't understand why any of you are posting here if you don't like the topic.

 

[SharpHawk]

Anita can't name three games, but can she name three newspapers?

 

[blake0812]

Anita can't name three games, but can she name three newspapers?

Only if they have her face on the cover.

 

[BoberFett]

The most prominent critic of gamergate goes on a popular cable show with an audience of millions, the vast majority of whom have NEVER heard of this controversy before and will only learn of it through the lens of its most prominent critic, and the beloved presenter gets her to tell how she was threatened with the worst school shooting in history, plus discusses the controversy with language that invokes ideas of segregation (separate but equal gaming).... and proponents of gamergate are chalking this up as a win? The movement has been absolutely excoriated in the mainstream "non-gaming" media, such as the New York Times, or Time Magazine, or Newsweek, and now the Colbert Report. But at least you've got the misogynists at ROK and the racists at Stormfront on your side. And you can argue the facts all you want; in the court of public perception (with people who largely don't care about video games in the slightest), the movement has been firmly established as anti-woman. That doesn't work to your benefit at any point. Because once you get branded a hate group, it becomes very easy for advertisers to dismiss your claims, regardless of their validity.

The funniest thing about all this is the sheer level of vitriol that Sarkeesian elicits in some people is the only reason she has a platform at all. Most of us can hear her claims and say, "No, I don't agree with that," and let it go (like Andrew Sullivan does here). It's the people who have gone crazy every time she talks, with threats and borderline-psychopathic rage, that has gotten anyone to take the time to listen to her at all. In that regard, the misogynists who have aligned with gamergate (or trolls if you want to claim they don't represent you, even though everyone else in the media assumes they do and you aren't disavowing yourself of them) are only helping bolster the claims of Sarkeesian. If there are no threats against Sarkeesian (or other women), she never gets to go on the Colbert Report and tell the world exactly what's wrong with gamergate. Instead, yet another mainstream media outlet falls into the "these are just a bunch of misogynists" camp and your argument gets a little bit harder to defend in the court of public opinion.

So what you're saying is that she has female privilege and gamers don't? :hmm:

 

[blake0812]

So what you're saying is that she has female privilege and gamers don't? :hmm:

Funny thing is she isn't involved in video games at all, she knows nothing about it. Her boyfriend/fiance/husband or whatever, John McIntosh, is the one who pressured her into doing it. He is the writer of her videos, and he had a history of accusing games to "promote violence".

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So what you're saying is that she has female privilege and gamers don't? :hmm:

What I'm saying is that mainstream media could give less than a **** about a feminist saying that games are sexist. They don't care. The audience doesn't care. But when you resort to vitriolic rage and death threats, that's a story. "Woman Complains About GTA"... not a story. "Feminist Threatened With School Shooting," now that will get some eyeballs on screens. So all the people who respond to Sarkeesian with blind rage that she has the audacity to say things they disagree with are just fueling her popularity. It doesn't help your case when she's able to articulate her points in a calm manner and people respond by calling her the c-word and hoping she dies. If you really think she's wrong about what she's saying, STOP LISTENING TO HER. Responding the way gamergate has is just propping her up as a martyr and the media loves to drum up that angle. They've been their own worst enemy in getting this woman noticed.

 

[ThinClient]

So what you're saying is that she has female privilege and gamers don't? :hmm:

loooooooooool!! :awe:

 

[ThinClient]

What I'm saying is that mainstream media could give less than a **** about a feminist saying that games are sexist. They don't care. The audience doesn't care. But when you resort to vitriolic rage and death threats, that's a story. "Woman Complains About GTA"... not a story. "Feminist Threatened With School Shooting," now that will get some eyeballs on screens. So all the people who respond to Sarkeesian with blind rage that she has the audacity to say things they disagree with are just fueling her popularity. It doesn't help your case when she's able to articulate her points in a calm manner and people respond by calling her the c-word and hoping she dies. If you really think she's wrong about what she's saying, STOP LISTENING TO HER. Responding the way gamergate has is just propping her up as a martyr and the media loves to drum up that angle. They've been their own worst enemy in getting this woman noticed.

The only people threatening her are the Goon Swarm from SomethingAwful.

GamerGate didn't respond to her negatively. Goon did. Stop painting the rest of us with the same brush.

You know you're doing it. You KNOW that you're posting in this thread just to rile up those who disagree with you. You are part of the problem because you won't take your own advice.

 

[blake0812]

The only people threatening her are the Goon Swarm from SomethingAwful.

GamerGate didn't respond to her negatively. Goon did. Stop painting the rest of us with the same brush.

You know you're doing it. You KNOW that you're posting in this thread just to rile up those who disagree with you. You are part of the problem because you won't take your own advice.

Quote for truth

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The only people threatening her are the Goon Swarm from SomethingAwful.

GamerGate didn't respond to her negatively. Goon did. Stop painting the rest of us with the same brush.

You know you're doing it. You KNOW that you're posting in this thread just to rile up those who disagree with you. You are part of the problem because you won't take your own advice.

Did any of those facts come out on Colbert? Did any of that get brought up in any other mainstream publications which have all taken a decidedly negative tone of gamergate? No, it didn't. So even if it's true, that's not what the public is going to associate with gamergate. This has turned into a PR disaster for GG. But if someone points that out, they're just trying to "rile people up"? I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.

Honest question: How do you think someone feels about gamergate if their ONLY exposure to the controversy is what they saw on Colbert Report? Sure, if you follow 8chan and the KIA subreddit, you'll have a lot more background information to inform your opinion. But if ALL you know about it is what was presented on Colbert... gamergate really didn't come off looking good. If I had a vested interest in the movement, that might concern me.

 

[master_shake_]

looks like her script was hard to keep on while colbert was talking to her.

good for her though, from a communications major to being on tv.

lol'ed at woman are gamers too...

well no shit. thats why they play cod as well.

 

[Aikouka]

Predictably, Colbert gets the story wrong and Sarkeesian can't name a single video game besides Grand Theft Auto.

I think she could've gotten a few laughs from everyone if she said, "Well, there's Grand Theft Auto 3, Grand Theft Auto 4, and of course, Grand Theft Auto 5!"

 

[BoberFett]

Did any of those facts come out on Colbert? Did any of that get brought up in any other mainstream publications which have all taken a decidedly negative tone of gamergate? No, it didn't. So even if it's true, that's not what the public is going to associate with gamergate. This has turned into a PR disaster for GG. But if someone points that out, they're just trying to "rile people up"? I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.

Honest question: How do you think someone feels about gamergate if their ONLY exposure to the controversy is what they saw on Colbert Report? Sure, if you follow 8chan and the KIA subreddit, you'll have a lot more background information to inform your opinion. But if ALL you know about it is what was presented on Colbert... gamergate really didn't come off looking good. If I had a vested interest in the movement, that might concern me.

So what you're saying is that it's a race to get the media to side with you through deception if necessary, because then you can frame the debate however you want and the other side loses by default?

Sounds like a great system we should all support.